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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 5, 2012 14:24:18 GMT -5
Another obviously crazy idea that popped into my mind last night is this. Wouldn't it be cool to have a German motorcycle for airsoft?Chang Jiangs are cheap, but you'd need a license. I was thinking: would it be possible to convert a dirt bike into a good enough for airsoft Zundapp or BMW? A side car could easily be made from sheet metal, and n airsoft MG34 could be bought or made. Is this possible, or is it just a crazy idea?
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Post by labrador on Jul 6, 2012 0:36:57 GMT -5
I know one guy in indonesia actually got it done. One wonders how much it cost him.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 6, 2012 8:50:56 GMT -5
From a dirt bike? could I possible ge tpics, as this is my current idea, and I think it would cost around 1500 for the bike, and maybe like 2-300 for the side car.
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Post by gadge on Jul 6, 2012 10:17:01 GMT -5
Pointless converting anything.
1970/80s soviet motorcylce combinations are completley reverse engineered copies of BMW 750 wwii german combos.
They pretty much dismanteld the german factories and shipped them back to Russia after the war.
The 'kossack' combos are *really* cheap, most the german wwii bikes you see in re-enactor groups are actually cold war russian URAL ones.
We've got one we were *given* as they are so cheap in Europe.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 6, 2012 12:43:55 GMT -5
Actually, most reenactment bikes are Chang Jiangs.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 6, 2012 12:44:34 GMT -5
and, im too young to have a license, and wont for like 4 years. So a dirtbike replica would be all i could drive
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Post by gadge on Jul 8, 2012 14:50:32 GMT -5
Actually, most reenactment bikes are Chang Jiangs. Not in the UK, nearly all the copies are Russian. When you've got one you notice a lot more. Before we picked ours up i wouldnt have known the difference but there are enough give away differences.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 8, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
I stil think chang jiangs are more accurate. How much do russian ones cost in the UK?
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Post by ob on Jul 8, 2012 21:05:23 GMT -5
My uncle actually went to Russia/Ukrain to sell Ural bikes, came back to say Russians were the sneakiest business people he's ever met lol. Anyway, Ural bikes are much more common and cheaper (around $2000) while Chang Jiangs are more rare and will run you around $6000-7000 They also sell side cars for both, URALs being more popular.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 8, 2012 22:57:52 GMT -5
I, having no licese, still have faith in my dirtbike idea. Would it be perfect? no. would it look the part? yes.
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Post by BOBAH on Jul 8, 2012 23:07:08 GMT -5
CJ 750 motorcycle is the Chinese clone of the Russian M72, who itself is the clone of the BMW R71,but if you decide by one of CJ bike look for production before 1966(new type II engine starting ). Russian stop production of M72 in 1956 & sold completed line to China .Then, in 1957, the Chinese started their own M72 production under the name of CHANG JIANG 750. Early production was using a lot of Russian M72 parts - frames, wheels, ignition keys, fenders, etc…. Because it is a clone of a clone differences between CJ750 & BMW R71 is BIG .CJ front fenders ,frames, sidecar’s frames are different from M72 + M72 not exact copy of R71. BMW R71was not primary used by German army like R75,but in Holland army it was #1.All motorcycle from 1930-1950 period look a like.+ in my knowledge German army used more capture M72 then R71
+ M72 made by Dnepr not Ural different factory different bike & location
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 9, 2012 12:04:29 GMT -5
again, I would get one, but I have no license, and am too young to have a licence.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jul 9, 2012 12:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 9, 2012 14:20:13 GMT -5
saw that site. want the krad, but at 20,000 for a renactor grade model, Ill pass for nwo. For welding, I cna find omeone local to do it.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jul 10, 2012 0:36:00 GMT -5
Maybe you could photoshop a mock-up of this dirtbike/german motorcycle thing?
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 10, 2012 9:04:37 GMT -5
Yes, to see if it is possible.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 10, 2012 9:05:06 GMT -5
and, It isn't that dfficult loking. Its just a replica motorcycle based on a dirt bike.
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Post by bhpfan on Aug 27, 2012 3:17:06 GMT -5
they did it for The Great Escape, and the last Indiana Jones flick. It's very doable. Heck, flared fenders from a 305 Honda Super Hawk, and an old Triumph tank painted Panzer Grey, and you're in!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Sept 10, 2012 17:47:02 GMT -5
IDK if im still gunna do this..probably not anymore.
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Post by ocarlson007 on Oct 9, 2012 22:42:20 GMT -5
I have a German DKW (Daft Kampf Wagen) ;D I put saddle bags and a role on the front and where my long great coat, helmet, and german web-gear I rode down the street on it i couldn't resist. DKW made bikes for the Whermacht during WWII and made bike all the way up into the 70's then they were dissolved and turned into,......wait for it....KTM my bikes vintage is 73,....but with alittle dressing up it looks spot on to am german military one and I have used it in an airsoft game, in collaboration with single handing my AGM MP40,...i suggest SRC high-caps if you intend on attempting this, you should also be a pretty strong rider as well,...nothing is better than pulling a wheelie while dressed like a german, in an airsoft game
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Post by giairsoft on Dec 15, 2012 15:06:47 GMT -5
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Dec 15, 2012 16:28:30 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for showing that, giairsoft. that might be an awesome alternative to a real german bike.
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Post by tripwire on Dec 4, 2016 22:19:13 GMT -5
Hey that's me. I still don't have the other one done though. Got the side car tub welded up just not close to finished.
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Post by boz on Jun 26, 2020 9:31:27 GMT -5
Old thread, and pretty much covered Ural or JiangChiang for German WW2. In US, one can purchase an actual c1940 Triumph or BSA for a reasonable price. With all these, you'll be doing a lot of tinkering. My photo to left shows me on a faux 1915 Indian single for my USMC WW1 reenacting (mostly Newville PA April and November), which was made on a modified (J downtube) factory-parts-movement pedal bike frame. I looked at US military WW1 motorcycles, cross referenced with modern parts available to decide on an early model (used more rear area, logistics than front dispatch riding in late WW1), found a small community of board track racer motorized bicycle/motorcycle builders serving a (mostly California) community of such racers (except with less power and with brakes, on the flat, vice no brakes and too much power and curved/tilted board track that eventually got outlawed for killing spectators....), and got Sportsman Flyer in Gilroy to build to my specs, with a Honda clone four-stroke, and then I trimmed out to WW1 USMC 1918 'field maintained/modified' appearance. Works well for my purpose (back roads behind the trench line, delivering messages), but it's not road legal (no VIN, it'd be expensive to get to that point, and it's limited to about 40mph and the geometry c1915 is not as user-friendly as motorcycles even a few years later.) If I had more time, my next project would be a modern retro 250cc motorcycle, stripped and trimmed out to resemble a more powerful c1917 Indian or Harley, but also road-legal and capable for self deployment. With this faux/tribute "1915 Indian", I load it on a hitch carrier on an SUV to get it to and from the event.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 26, 2020 9:43:58 GMT -5
Very cool. Would love to see more detailed pictures.
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Post by boz on Jun 28, 2020 7:29:14 GMT -5
It would be my first time posting photos on this forum....trying to figure out how to upload a photo. All I see is a photo attachment from a URL. I'll snoop around on the proboard instructions and see if I can figure it out, then post a couple.
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Post by boz on Jun 28, 2020 11:54:46 GMT -5
Here's a photo of myself (standing with coffee cup) and fellow U.S. Marine Corps motorcycle dispatch rider buddy Jim, with the tribute/faux 1915 Indian motorcycle at a WW1 Newville PA event a couple years ago. The motorcycle uses a heavy pedal bike frame (as mentioned, modified J downtube to accommodate engine), a key component was an early Indian style gas tank by Sportsman Flyer, the engine is a 212cc Predator 4-stroke (excellent, inexpensive Honda clone), modestly souped-up and turned 70 degrees, and the project was a 'fast' one (about a year....) to prove out (in time for the WW1 centennial) that motorcycle dispatch was a viable US WW1 impression (previously nearly impossible due to current prices on suitable antique motorcycles used by U.S. forces, or the quite accurate PowerPlus replica made in South America). I believe two others on this system are now in construction. The motorcycle has more than enough horsepower, could use more powerful brakes, has more than enough torque and can climb, is fine for an experienced rider but not for a beginner, can reach up to 40mph but best at ~20 mph on back/gravel roads. As mentioned, no VIN and more hp than motorized bike, so not legal on roadways. A successful and still utilized prop for WW1 reenactments, parades and museum lectures, I've even taken it to an antique motorcycle club meeting, tho' not to our road-rides. Tribute 1915 Indian single cylinder motorcycle from modern parts The backstory is being an earlier, older cycle from Nicaragua, field maintained/repaired/modified, used as a rear area extra in France 1918, the front line dispatch motorcycles being more powerful v-twins. Such allowed an available/affordable frame, and explained the ('replacement') double springer suspension vice distinctive Indian front leaf suspension.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 29, 2020 1:18:16 GMT -5
Love the fat tires.
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Post by boz on Jul 1, 2020 16:42:00 GMT -5
The fat tires are stock with the Sportsman Flyer frame (which is modified with a J down-tube from the Worksman Cycles in NYC (since 1898..worksmancycles.com) Industrial Newsboy model. Anyone working up a pre-1918 early motorcycle tribute should consider either the Newsboy (and modify the down-tube yourself) or Sportsman Flyer in Gilroy CA (available with down-tube already modified for engine)....and an Indian or Harley early style gastank sized to perfectly fit between the Worksman two parallel top tubes. Sportsman Flyer builds mostly board track racer tributes, but can do a civilian or military pre-1918 tribute if you do a bit of research (or ask Sportsman Flyer to do the same as he did for me for the "1915 Indian single".
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Post by boz on Jul 1, 2020 16:54:19 GMT -5
Oh, and for you WW1 uniform historians out there....if you look closely on my campaign cover ("drill sergeant hat"), you might spot a yellow cavalry campaign cap cord (US Army). Totally non-reg for a Marine. My backstory is that I was an Army horse cavalryman (actually was....deeep reserve...after my Navy decades) who 'retired' and got into them new-fangled motorcycles, and then reenlisted in Marines, motorcycle dispatch for Great War. I quickly ditch the cord when my sergeant or corporal are about, then restore it when I'm back on my usually quite independent dispatch rider duty. Hopefully they aren't reading this....sorry, Gunny!
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