ScottCollins
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Post by ScottCollins on Jun 17, 2013 21:12:43 GMT -5
Ah, good to know. I was getting somewhat worried... Sneaking around and BAM kid pops out at you with a squirt gun!
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Post by falgore on Jun 17, 2013 21:14:52 GMT -5
Its the surrounding woods behind liquid planet. There is good roads hills thick woods bridges a small bunker complex and a zip line which we use for airborne insertions
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 17, 2013 22:01:44 GMT -5
Blankfire snipers are easy to track. They wont usually effect a player at all, unless there happens to be a judge nearby that can call the hit, but they can make some points for their team. A sniper is paired with a judge. when the sniper gets into position, he can call his shot, judge will tell him make his shot, sniper will fire. If the judge feells that the sniper was in good position, and had a chance, he will have the sniper roll a die. The number rolled will determine hit miss or wound. Simple, but it allows those sharpshooter fans a chance to use their skills. As for airsoft snipers, I need some info from you guys. How do they work in airsoft events? Is an airsoft sniper rifle accurate enough to actually make the shot? Should a judge be present anyway, just because we all know you dont always notice a single bb and I dont want the snipers to have to fire multiple times. You guys tell me. I've never heard of rolling dies for determining blankfire kills in a match before. Have you done it before? it sounds like it would slow the game down. Makes me think of WW2 LARP or something haha. It wont distract from the game at all, since it is being done by just the sniper and spotter. Not the most ideal way to do it, but it has been done at many reenacting events. Its either that or just assume every shot is a kill.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 17, 2013 22:08:13 GMT -5
In reality, this is two sites at the same address. Up front is Liquid Planet, a small waterpark that doesnt interfere with the battle at all. Behind the park is Fields of Fire. A WW2 reenactor specific battlefield. It is only a year old, so it is in its infancy, but so far they have started a beachhead with german bunker and surrounding defenses, and a period correct border crossing shack. There are plans for a full french village, including houses, a cafe, a bar, etc.
Anyone that attends this site is encouraged to dig in or build firing positions. If a unit wants to build a bunker, building, defense, canon, anything, you are welcome to do it. You can even build an underground complex if thats your desire. Anything is good as long as it is WW2 and approved by the 916th reenacting unit.
Dont let the waterpark scare you, it is not a consideration.
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Post by stuka on Jun 18, 2013 7:40:49 GMT -5
In airsoft, if your hit you're dead, you can add injuries to the game scenario but airsoft is a bit fast paced to roll die and wait for a response by a judge.
That was referring to the "How do aisoft snipers work" but that pry won't be a problem since there are very few ww2 airsoft snipers avalible atm
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Post by brownien on Jun 18, 2013 11:35:08 GMT -5
Anyone trying to make long distance shots as a sniper, would need to have a gun with a high enough fps to reach out and touch someone. With a higher fps, the energy on impact will be roughly he same as someone with a lower fps gun at shorter ranges. Therefore, anyone with an actual airsoft sniper rifle would not need a spotter calling hits. If a bb hits the target, its a hit. Players not feeling and not hearing a bb hit them from longer ranges is a part of airsoft. The only precaution to minimise the occurance would be to notify all players ahead of time, of the number of snipers in play, and to be cautious and listen for said hits.
As for blankfire snipers, a spotter would be needed. Specifically one who has watched an airsoft sniper work. So sit the spotters down at an airsoft snoper firing range for a while to get them used to the accuracy of airsoft guns at longer ranges. Once paired with a blankfire guy, the spotter will know what would have been a hit or a miss, had the gun been firing bbs. He could then call out a hit or miss to the target.
After dealing with blankfire snipers at a previous game, i have seen that fighting against one is in fact a slow paced scenario. Having someone calling shot who is familiar with how an airsoft gun operates, the limitataions on range and target movement on hits, will easily balance out blankfire blguys and airsoft guys. Also, arming the blankfire spotter with a close range gun, like an mp40 or thompson, would give the blankfire sniper a better chance at close ranges. I know I wouldnt like to be fired at by a blank gun from under 15 ft! Although it has happened after I was hit and on the ground, so blankfire guys will also have to take that into consideration before pulling the trigger.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 18, 2013 18:06:57 GMT -5
There seems to be some misunderstanding about any snipers on the field. This is not a hunt down a sniper game, or even any missions planned on it. They are just there, doing their thing. If you choose to go after one, well, good luck to you. They will be a very minor role in a much bigger game. They are only there because I want people who want to do that impression to have a chance to use it, which doesnt happen in airsoft or reenacting.
If a blank shooter fires at you from 15ft, they are doing something very very wrong. Any decent reenactor knows the rules on that, and safety is a huge concern for all of us. Some do fire, but they aim high, low or to the side. There have been some mishaps of firing too close, but I have never seen anyone deliberately fire a close range shot.
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Post by falgore on Jun 18, 2013 19:07:35 GMT -5
Very well explained bill thank you. I know to some people the whole "sniper" is pointless in both reenacting and airsoft but at this event we are trying to incorporate the roles that deem to be "pointless" such as the sniper,medic,runner,officer,engineer so forth and so on
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Post by brownien on Jun 18, 2013 19:11:23 GMT -5
Just wanted to mention something on both kinds of snipers, even though they arent a key role, because last time there was blankfire at an event, the blankfire guys expected to get hits out to 200 plus ft. When the normal airsoft guys could barely dream of hitting that far. One blankfire guy effectively pinned down 3/4 of the allied team, so for any future events, they would need to be kept in check. I personally love to addition to he battle ambiance, and just hearing one of hose guns going off made me hit the deck multiple times!
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 18, 2013 20:00:22 GMT -5
Brown, That issue will be corrected. It was a problem at the airsoft events that I noticed. Part of the issue is with the airsofters though. It seeed like just because an airsofter heard a shot, that meant a hit. Not really how it works. Do you hit everytime you fire a round? Not blaming airsofters, and I realize that there is very little experience with blankfire. We will do our best to explain it better this time around.
When all is said and done, this is a game, and I want everyone to have fun. As someone who considers himself both an airsofter and reenactor, I would love to see us all be able to play a couple games together. I dont want it to be a full time thing. Two different worlds, and I personally dont want to combine them, but once or twice a year can be fun.
And lets not forget the purpose of this game. It is more than just an airsoft event. We are trying to garner interest in WW2 airsoft and hopefully a percentage of the people that attend will start playing with us more often. You all know me well enough to know that I am all for authenticity, so me allowing modern guns should say something.
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Post by falgore on Jun 20, 2013 12:10:46 GMT -5
Also as some of you already know this event is a "24" hour scenerio and as bill said earlier u guys can dig in and make defensive positions and even sleep in the field or set up camp. There will be designated camps for allied and axis where u can set up shop. But I do recommend posting guards.
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Post by falgore on Jun 20, 2013 12:13:37 GMT -5
The scenerio is almost done. We are still fine tuning and tweaking it but as soon as its done we will have it posted
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ScottCollins
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Post by ScottCollins on Jun 20, 2013 13:31:11 GMT -5
I live in Michigan but man this game is really sounding tempting! If I can get a ride I will take it no matter what!
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Post by falgore on Jun 20, 2013 20:27:23 GMT -5
I live in Michigan but man this game is really sounding tempting! If I can get a ride I will take it no matter what! Deff would be nice to see some out of state guys show. What unit you with? If u do allied airborne you get to use a 1000' zip line to drop in. We had a reenactment last month and me and the rest of the fallschirmjagers jumped in to the battle which is pretty cool cuz u can jump 2 at a time
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 20, 2013 20:37:43 GMT -5
Actually, everyone gets to ride the zipline. Its part of registration fees.
Scott, Just get some of your friends to come play and car pool together out here. We would love to have you.
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ScottCollins
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Post by ScottCollins on Jun 20, 2013 22:26:22 GMT -5
Yeah I'm getting an 82nd Impression together. I would love to come!
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Post by brownien on Jun 20, 2013 22:41:54 GMT -5
Also, if I can make it, I have some American GI kits if anyone needs them.
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Post by falgore on Jun 21, 2013 7:53:21 GMT -5
Also, if I can make it, I have some American GI kits if anyone needs them. Ooooorrrrrrr I have some extra German gear hahahahahaa No seriously tho I have some extra fallschirmjager gear and wehrmacht and some Italian kits too
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Post by knights52 on Jun 21, 2013 17:05:25 GMT -5
I have an extra mess tin.
That's about it.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 22, 2013 0:02:12 GMT -5
All of you with extra gear should slap it on a couple friends and drag them up for the event.
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Post by Warlord on Jun 24, 2013 19:07:15 GMT -5
New Hampshire? You have my attention. I'll talk to the rest of the crew. Do you have any pictures of the field?
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 25, 2013 22:19:36 GMT -5
Sorry, I dont. I have been there quite a few times, but I am not much of a camera person.
I can say, the field is not a typical airsoft or paintball field. It will not remind anyone of GZA, not that GZA is a bad place. This field is being designed and built specifically for WW2 reenactments. The beachhead defenses look like they come from the war. The bunker is built to mimic a ww2 bunker, though I personally believe it needs a better paint job. The border station, looks like a border station. By the time we get there in August, Im sure there will be even more improvements made.
Though they have not been started yet, there are plans to build a full french village. Houses, bar, post office, etc. As said, units are more than welcome to build any kind of bunker, barracks etc. 916 has plan to build a replica german barracks on site.
If all goes to plan, this will become the site to go to. Unless one is in europe, I dont know of any other battlefield being built like this.
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Post by brownien on Jun 25, 2013 22:52:33 GMT -5
I remember videos of a blankfire event with a similar layout. Not sure where it its, somewhere in the midwest maybe? If this is what I think it will be like, it should prove to be an amazing event!
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Post by SNAFU on Jun 26, 2013 18:59:57 GMT -5
Even though I live down in Virginia and have only half a U.S. kit, I'm gonna try to make it.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jun 30, 2013 21:30:07 GMT -5
I would love to see some registrations start rolling in. I know you have until Aug., but it doesnt mean you have to wait until the last minute to send them in. The sooner I get them, the better idea I have on attendance.
Dont forget to push this to all of your friends and neighbors. Most of you know your local fields, so stop by and spread the word there also. It may be us hosting, but it is up to all the players to get recruits there. I do have some basic flyers made up, so if you would like one, let me know.
Bill
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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 8, 2013 22:50:15 GMT -5
Wow. Holy dead thread Batman!
Need to get some regs sent in. The game can go on no matter what, but numbers do dictate what happens during.
Also, any one have any estimates on newcomers they may be bringing? Trying to get an idea of how many civilians we will be having.
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Post by SfcMigs on Jul 11, 2013 13:23:41 GMT -5
DrizzT04 sounds like he has a lot of great ideas for this event. I hope he gets a decent turnout. I'm hoping all that plan on attending step up and get their registrations in asap so he can get a handle on what he needs to do.
Come on Gents, enough with the chit chat. Step up and register.
Good luck Bill.
Cheers,
Migs
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Post by spazz21 on Jul 18, 2013 19:28:13 GMT -5
Would love to attend this, but sadly I am away that weekend. With Sunrise coming up I have quite a bit to do yet.
Is this an event that gets run every year?
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Post by insterburger on Jul 18, 2013 20:27:50 GMT -5
You'll have two Feldgrau coming up from CT. Looking forward to it.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 18, 2013 21:26:21 GMT -5
Spazz, I would love to be able to hold this at least once very year, but attendance needs to justify it.
As has been noted in other threads and convos, attendance has been dropping dramatically in WW2 airsoft. I dont know if its because people are bored with the normal format, waiting for another game in CT, or soemthing else.
But, this is not the normal format. This is designed to be a big game, full immersion, and much more streamlined and involved the average game.
If you are waiting for GZA, dont hold your breath. I dont plan on holding an event there at all. Its not my field. And Migs has stated that he doesnt plan on doing anything there in the forseeable future. The field has been overused, and the costs are prohibitive with the numbers that have been attending. No one is looking to make a million on these games, but hosts also cant justify losing hundreds of dollars to have an event either.
Attendance is becoming an issue for WW2 airsoft. There has been aot of people that have just kind of fallen off the boards. This is to be expected in any hobby. But there doesnt seem to be any new blood being brought in. And that cant be all on Brownien, Migs, and my shoulders. Its up to all the players to recruit and find new people to play. This game is perfect for recruitment. It was designed to make it easy for someone who has never been to attend. This will not be the case in 99% of games. Authenticity is still a priority. So I have done what I could to give you that venue, now its up to all of you to get some people here.
There is only a couple weeks before the reg deadline, so lets get out there and push this event. Lets get some numbers going. I dont care if you bring 10 newcomers for every WW2 guy. I would actually love to see new guys outnumber vets at this event.
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