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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 18, 2013 21:27:41 GMT -5
And how do I get pics and cool banners on my name?
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Jul 24, 2013 14:42:46 GMT -5
I will check to see how many of the 1st FJ are interested in attendance. I will post back ASAP.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 25, 2013 22:41:22 GMT -5
Recieved a private message asking me for some details about the event. Thought they were good and thoughtful questions, so I am copy and pasting them here along with my responses. Hope it helps any of you that were wondering the same.
One thing I did forget to post is my address. It is on the form, and I just forgot to do it in here also.
Send regs and waivers to: William Abrams PO Box 256 Dayville, CT 06241
1. How does one register and prepay? 2. What is the price for walk-ons? You said it is prepay only, but there are no instructions or deadlines for registering. I don't know what your limitations are based on the field, but I know walk-on players can make up a sizable portion of your player base so you might want to include pricing for them 3. What are your safety regulations? And this should be number one on my list of questions but I noticed you don't have anything in your post about it. What are your FPS limits? Full-seal goggles only or are safety glasses allowed? Minimum engagement distances? Blankfire? Emergency procedures, alcohol policy etc.. 4. What are the game dynamics going to be like? You stated that the game would run from 10am to 12pm the following day. How is that being executed? It sounds very exciting but also could potentially burn out your players if there are no ceasefires during the game. 5. Do you have any field/terrain information? Do you have any previous photos of games held there, and/or any description of the field? This might be helpful for people planning on bringing gear.
1. Print out copies of the registration form and waiver on the first page. Should be my second post. Fill the out and mail them to the address on the form.
2. There are no walk ons at this event, and from the way things look for WW2 airsoft, there wont be any at any event. There has been much discussion among those of us that host events, and it is felt that the best course of action is to have all players pre-register. This will be a common occurance at all future events hosted in the new england area.
However, it has not been posted yet, but I will be allowing new recruits ONLY to pay at the door. This is an attempt to maximize the amount of new players we can get up there. Price will be the same.
3. Safety regs will be the same as all new england events. I believe I stated in my first post that this is the case. There will be a safety meeting the morning of the event obviously, but anyone who has played airsoft before already has the basics down. Safety glasses are allowed, minimum distance will be the usual, blankfire is allowed and will be clearly explained at the event, hopefully getting rid of the misunderstandings had at ppast events. As it stands, there will be at least one trained medical response person there, and emergency numbers will be provided.
Alcohol. If it was up to me, I would rather not see it at all. But I do not have the authority to not allow it. I will say that if one is drinking, they need to be responsible. If I or my staff see either brazen drunkiness or catch a whiff of alcohol on a minors breath, the offenders will be asked to leave and quite possible banned. There may be a time and place for that, but this isnt it.
4. The dynamics of this game will be a format that I dont believe most WW2 airsofters have experienced before. There has been a small change in that game will be called for a few hours sat night, due to safety concerns, but other than that, the gme progresses. Once the battle begins, it continues until game off. No lunch breaks, no time outs, no stopping to reload. A player or squad can leave the field if they desire, but the game will not stop for it. Meaning, if youre squad is in charge of guarding the border crossing and you decide to go to camp for dinner, it can very well be taken by the americans while you are gone. The battlefield you left is not the battlefield you will return to. This is to simulate what a real world battle is like. The action doesnt stop just because you do. I could talk about this for hours, but the basic idea is that the player should really immerse themselves in the period. For one weekend, you are in 1944.
5. I actually dont have any pictures of the field. Surprisingly enuogh since weve been there a dozen times. We also decided to not share too many details before hand. This plays into the scenario. However, some basics are, mostly flat land, some woods, a pretty major road, a beachhead, a good sized river, areas of long range and short range firefights, and a few scattered buildings. If you have any specific questions or concerns about the field, ask me and I will do my best to inform you.
Bill
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Post by ScottCollins on Jul 25, 2013 23:16:48 GMT -5
If I may ask, how many registrations are in right now? Also, age restrictions and bb restrictions?
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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 27, 2013 1:09:19 GMT -5
Regs are low. Low enough that as it stands there will be no event.
No age restrictions, but underage players need a responsible adult, and no bb restrictions.
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Post by brownien on Aug 6, 2013 12:34:43 GMT -5
Little late on the reply, but I have my registration on its way to you Drizz!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Aug 6, 2013 13:06:38 GMT -5
Is this event still taking place?
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 9, 2013 21:04:32 GMT -5
Hope more registrations start coming in. Bill has put a lot of time and planning into this. I hope his efforts aren't wasted.
We need this event to inject some much needed enthusiasm into the hobby here in the NE. We haven't really had an all out event since "Hell's Highway" last November. I think we're due.
Come on guys, step up and make this happen.
Cheers,
Migs
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Post by drizzt04 on Aug 13, 2013 0:21:54 GMT -5
Due to lack of interest and the apparent death of WW2 airsoft in the northeast, this event is cancelled. There will be no new date. For those of you that sent in regs, your checks, and or money orders will be returned to you.
Honestly, I am extremely disappointed in this community. I recieved numerous emails and pms expressing deire to attend, but when it came down to it, there just wasnt enough people to make it worthwhile.
For what its worth, I believe that you all missed out on a fairly unique opportunity. There isnt too many fields that cater specifically to WW2.
But, it is what it is.
Bill
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 13, 2013 19:09:16 GMT -5
Very, very disappointed at the cancellation of this event.
The lack of commitment/interest here in the NE is very discouraging.
The biggest question is where do we go from here?
Brownien and I are planning to try and do something in the fall and we are both hopeful more players will commit to the fall event and get things going again here in the NE.
On a personal note, I know Bill put in a lot of work to try and get this event off the ground and spark some much needed interest here again in the NE. I feel really bad for him and for those who were committed to attending.
Anyone who wishes to discuss their opinions or air out their concerns or just flat out tell me what it will take to get them to attend an event, please message me on these boards, or feel free to email me at SfcMigs@gmail.com. I want to see how this works instead of the old "opinion poll". Tried that "opinion poll" and that got us nowhere.
Hoping to hear and see most of you real soon,
Migs
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Post by drizzt04 on Aug 13, 2013 23:59:18 GMT -5
Migs,
Thank you. It wasnt just me. Brandon 1 put in a ton of work also, including being the guy who wrote the base scenario.
All,
I truly do hope ww2 airsoft gets going up here again. I really enjoy playing. However, I do not plan on trying to host another event until I see that there is real interest. This event was more than just show up and play a game. This included things like getting park employees lined up to run the zipline, coordinating with the 916th reenacting unit who runs the field and was willing to be judges and priests for resurrection, and getting guys from 13th komp to come out and staff the game.
And most importantly to me, we had some very well known and respected vendors coming out . Both airsoft and reenacting suppliers who were taking my word that this was a smart business move for them. Now I have had to contact them and let them know the event was off, hurting my reputation, and what should concern all of you, the reputation of ww2 airsoft in the northeast.
Anyway, I am sorry about the way this all turned out. For those of you that truly enjoy portraying WW2 soldiers, and are looking for an opportunity to put on your duds, feel free to contact me. There is plenty of room for you in reenacting. Ill even find a place for all you silly amis.
If anyone decides to try to host an event, 13 komp will be there if possible. We are not walking away from airsoft. I just dont see a whole lot of future in it right now.
Bill
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Post by falgore on Aug 15, 2013 10:34:02 GMT -5
I just need to chime in here real quick. For u all who do not know me my name is Brandon (#1) I reenact with bill and I was the one who wrote the scenerio for the event. I also just like bill put my rep on the line with reenecting units to show for this event and staff and vendors. Some of u "kids" do not realize what it takes to plan this. The time the stress. Not to mention live our normal lives. I do have to say I'm disgusted with this hobby and this is why I will no longer support airsoft and honestly why I stopped playing semi pro paintball. It truly is a shame.
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Post by brownien on Aug 15, 2013 12:54:33 GMT -5
I feel pretty much the same way Brandon. I know setting up an event can be stressful, I cant imagine how much more stressful it was for you guys for such a large caliber event! But I have been on the forum for awhile, and I have noticed that it is always the same people chatting it up on the forum. There is a very small percentage of people who actually hop on and add to the conversation. Those who do get on, that are in the North East, already stated that they couldnt make it. I cannot vouch for those who said they could come because I dont know who actually registered. Its either that people dont get on the forum to see that there is an event on, or they simply lost interest. What should be done, is recruit more. Get more modern players, or those who just havnt discovered WW2AA, interested in our hobby. Dont blame those who are commited to the hobby, when they cant come. Its those who dont regular the forum, who cannot attend.
Lastly, as hobbyists, and members of WW2AA, we are all responsible for the recruitment of new members and the expansion of our hobby. Its not our job, but we should give an effort to help out.
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Post by knights52 on Aug 15, 2013 16:35:24 GMT -5
I was recruited into this hobby after attending an event ("Uberfallen in der Zunkunft" if I remember correctly) that blended WW2 and modern Airsoft. Something about Nazi time-travel or something of the like. Maybe we should talk to Lester at GZA and see if we can't organize a similar game. I play modern at GZA every now and then, and most people there don't even know WW2 Airsoft exists. As for the issue of numbers, we could get some Volksturm armbands and bring some modern players to our side. They get over 80 players a week there during the summer, I think we could convince a few. I'm in contact with Lester and a bunch of GZA's employees, let me know if you think we should organize something like this.
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Post by brownien on Aug 15, 2013 17:41:36 GMT -5
A WW2 themed event with no restrictions on modern kit would be an excellent way to recruit. Some kind of whacky Nazi time travel backdrop would add some interest to the event.
I see there being two different kinds of events that need to occur. One, is our original type, with restrictions on kit types to WW2 only. This would range from skirmishes to full immersion events. The second would be the recruiting events, where any kind of kit is accepted, but a WW2 kit is ideal. These could have a backstory ranging from post war "what ifs" to the use of secret Nazi time travel devices to bridge the gap between modern and WW2.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 15, 2013 18:45:02 GMT -5
The biggest problem for my friends and I is travel, normally we would've been at these last couple events but there was a combination of them being too far away and bad timing. Actually the last one we were at was Market Garden almost a year ago lol. The last major event was at GZA, maybe we should try another one over there
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Post by brownien on Aug 15, 2013 20:01:36 GMT -5
I dont mind the distance to GZA, but its just the cost to hold an event there independantly that makes it hard to use their field. Unless someone can convince the staff to hold more events that cater to our need to draw interest, I doubt anyone will have the cash or guts to try to hold an event there, especially with our current attendance numbers.
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Post by knights52 on Aug 15, 2013 20:22:56 GMT -5
I'm in touch with the owner and many of the employees, I might be able to convince them to take a regular Sunday game and make it into a themed event. They get to charge an extra 5 dollars or so on top of their weekly $20 price, we get to play for $25. They get a few extra players, we get an opportunity to recruit. It's a win-win situation.
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Post by brownien on Aug 15, 2013 21:49:08 GMT -5
As far as GZA, that would be a great recruiting tool Knight! If the GZA staff hold the events all the regulars will more easily be informed of such an event. Just posting recruiting events here will do no good. Posting a recruiting event on our forum should be 2nd priority to advertizing to the local modern players. I am actually trying to do something similar to this up in Perth NY, for the end of this month. As soon as I get finalized, I will be posting up the event here.
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 15, 2013 22:40:59 GMT -5
It's amazing to see this much chatter on this thread AFTER the event has been cancelled. I wanted to chime in here and give my perspective and personal knowledge of the GZA scenario, and maybe where we go from here.
First off I think Brownien and Knights52 ideas are not that far off and I agree that we do need to recruit new blood. Perhaps if a bunch of us coordinate a date and go to one of the GZA modern games, dressed in our WW2 impressions, we can stir up some interest among the modern players. Perhaps pass out flyers that give them a brief description of what we are all about. From that point we can then try to get a "cross over" type game and go from there. That in and of itself may work for new recruits.
Now to address the GZA problem with WW2 events. I have hosted several events at GZA since June 2011 and have really enjoyed them all. Dealing with Lester has always been friendly and professional and I would love to return there. The field is fine and it seems to be centrally located for a lot of our core players. However, as Knights52 pointed out, GZA gets about 80 players there on any given Sunday at $20.00 a pop. That's $1600.00 in Lester's kick for the day. Hosting a WW2 event there on a Sunday, thus bumping their game requires our membership to pick up that cost. Obviously there is no way that's gonna happen with our current attendance status. Not unless we all want to pay $80 - $100 each to cover the cost just for that day. Now obviously we don't have to have the event on a Sunday, but that brings me to our next issue.
When I started hosting these events, I started the events with Friday night camping, Saturday was the main event, then more camping and Sunday was a light day of fighting and clean up. This seemed to please everyone. The hardcore guys liked the full immersion of a full weekend event and the day players got their fill with the Saturday fighting and sometimes stayed for Sunday. But as time went on and Lester's Sunday pick up game kept building and building, there was no way I could build that cost into our event. That left me with a situation where I could only offer Friday night camping with some night fighting and then all day Saturday (and into the night if players stuck around). But we all had to be cleared out by Sunday morning. This type of event seemed to displease some of the more immersive oriented players, thus losing some of them in the process. No one here is wrong, just personal preference and it is what it is. But that doesn't change the fact that it's almost a perfect storm situation. We don't have enough players to offset the rising cost for a full weekend event and if I don't have a full weekend event we get even less players to attend. It really became a lose, lose situation. That is why Brownien and I tried at hands at an co-host event up in the Albany, NY area. We offered the full immersive theme with low cost. The event was a lot of fun, but the numbers were staggeringly low.
So where do we go from here? Not really sure. I know there are several players that would like to go back to GZA as it is geographically acceptable and familiar. That's fine, and I would not have a problem with stepping up and doing another event there, but as I've pointed out, we don't have the numbers to offset the Sunday game, so we're back to a Saturday only event. If I get enough positive feedback for a Saturday event, no sweat, I'll set one up asap. But I do think we should probably go with the recruitment plan first, then a "cross-over" type game on a Saturday. Then from there, maybe, just maybe we can have an event like we used to have.
Looking forward to moving forward. Stay positive everyone, and don't give up on this hobby. I know I haven't.
Migs
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Post by knights52 on Aug 16, 2013 4:51:53 GMT -5
I'd be up for a coordinated meet up at a regular event. We just need to make sure some of us krauts are okay to use SS impressions. It's all I have at the moment
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 16, 2013 11:04:18 GMT -5
Sounds good.
I'll PM you after Labor Day and we'll work on something. Hopefully others will join us as well.
Look for my messages.
Migs
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Post by brownien on Aug 16, 2013 11:40:17 GMT -5
I would be up to meet up for an event! Ill try to stay in the loop as well.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 16, 2013 16:46:53 GMT -5
I would too! I can probably bring the three guys who used to come with me to GZA also
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 17, 2013 0:44:59 GMT -5
Very encouraging.
If we can get at least 10 or so to go to GZA and spread the word, I'm sure I can muster up a cross over game for a Saturday in the near future. I'll keep you all in the loop. Let's all stay in touch. In the meantime, I'll start working on some handouts for the first part of this mission.
Please pm me if your interested and we'll coordinate a date that works for all.
Cheers,
Migs
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Post by knights52 on Aug 20, 2013 17:09:34 GMT -5
I went to the GZA shop today to ask Lester about all this (And left with an STG44, impulse buying will be the death of me). He was extremely excited to here that we're trying to make a comeback. He said it's fine for anyone to come down and play (no issues with SS), and brought up the "Uberfallen in Der Zunkunft" game I mentioned earlier. He said just to give him a date a few weeks in advance, he'll promote it, get people to come, and make it happen. he's very excited about the idea.
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Post by brownien on Aug 20, 2013 19:10:48 GMT -5
Great to hear! Hopefully we can get some WW2'ers to come represent! Make sure to keep us updated and post up an event thread.
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 20, 2013 20:02:20 GMT -5
Sounds good. Like I said before, I'll work on a flyer and I have a couple of other ideas I'm working on to help us promote WW2 airsoft.
I'll contact both Knight and Nate right after Labor Day and we'll get this thing going.
Good Job,
Migs
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Post by ScottCollins on Aug 22, 2013 13:53:34 GMT -5
Migs, I've just realized something. You say your last "successful" event was Day of Days? That was also the last event post on the Event Registration & Information board... I don't know man, maybe that board is lucky
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 23, 2013 10:36:35 GMT -5
Migs, I've just realized something. You say your last "successful" event was Day of Days? That was also the last event post on the Event Registration & Information board... I don't know man, maybe that board is lucky Not sure what you mean? But either way, in my opinion, my last successful event was Bastogne in March 2012. The "Day of Days" part II event in June 2012 was a wash out with the rain, but we did have some memorable moments and we made due with what we had. "Hells Highway" was also a good event that ended badly. Don't feel like rehashing that one. But regardless of what occurred at l]these events, we always had a pretty good turnout. Numbers were always somewhere between 30 - 50 players. That's our issue now and that's what I'm trying to get back to. Cheers, Migs
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