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Post by tommygunner9 on Oct 4, 2013 13:31:40 GMT -5
I ordered one too, it should arrive on Wednesday.
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Post by brownien on Oct 7, 2013 20:32:19 GMT -5
I finally got the chance to really fire the kar98 this past Sunday. It clocked in at 450fps for the first 3 or so, and stayed pretty steady around 430 with .25g BB's. This may be because i had the mag warm in my pocket and its temp dropped off as soon as cronoing started (it was a bit chilly and rainy). I tried shooting some targets, and I could hit a man sized target at around 150ft easily. You are only really limited to how well the hop up is adjusted to accomadate for the slight drop in fps each shot for a gas rifle, but I really didnt see much of a accuracy difference between shots. I am starting to regret shunning gas power for rifles! I reeeeaaaallly like this gun! As for gaming with it, I didnt get any kills. Everyone and their mother had M4's and I could only use the 10rnds at my disposal before ditching it for my M1 (not fun trying to carry both at once btw) but for the time that I did have it in hand, I felt very secure knowing that I had 10 shots at my disposal and that it wouldn't jam. As for that, I have never had the rifle jam! Not once! I must have put 20 mags worth of BB's through it and never a hitch. I was having problems with it only firing 2-3 rounds before it ran out of gas, but the problem was not the gun, I was simply running out of propane in my cylinder! Always have a spare tank handy!
Pros: Shoots consistanly all 10 shots 450-430fps with .25 BB's Beautiful all wood stock Full metal construction, with full manufacturer markings and individualized serial number Full bolt pull with working bolt removal lever Never jams Accurate out to 150ft, possibly further (hitting a man sized target) Bolt can be racked VERY quickly!
Cons: Only a 10 rnd mag, but plenty of gas per mag If stock gets wet, the stain fades ?!? (mine did this after playing in the puoring rain, shouldn't be a problem to restain and clear coat to protect ^I reccomend a clear coat of paint or similar on the stock to prevent this.
I would reccomend this to all German soldiers! As long as you have several spare magazines (M700 mag compatable), you will be able to hit enemies at ranges before they can get closer, and it has faster ROF than a springer conversion Kar98k, because there is no piston to cock in the bolt!
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Oct 7, 2013 21:13:11 GMT -5
Sounds awesome man. Where can you get these extra magazines? If there is indeed a place to get fairly cheap extra magazines, it sounds very skirmish able.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 15, 2013 14:19:28 GMT -5
Encouraging input. Gas bolt action rifles are not fraut with the numerous reliability issues of a gas blow back gas gun. The Tanaka was always dependable and hard hitting. If this is a viable clone it will be just fine and fully skirmishable at a game where low caps are used and semi automatic is more common then full auto. Historical type events). The effects of temperature swings and the way changing gas pressure effects the hop up input is always going to be an issue with gas guns although for the 10 shots available out of your initial feed the shouldn't be any noticeable change. hence with several mags you can work around that.
the things I do like with gas bolt action uns is the louder report, and the ease and silkiness of the bolt action compared to a spring convsion whe the action is definitely harder. There is a fine line with spring actions to set them up so you can cock them easily enough to keep a decent rate of fire up and still have enough FPS to be effective. The magic sweet spot is hard to achieve. My goal with springer conversions is to build them such taht hey can be cocked from the shoulder. This changes everything as you can keep the muzzle roughly on target and ther is less motion required to get your next shot off. With a gas gun you are literally just raking the bolt and feeding a new BB. 150 foot consistent hits is really all one can expect out of an airsoft gun while still remaining in safe FPS perameters. Its why airsoft snipers is such an inane and sophomoric concept as to be laughable.
A dull clear coat sounds like good advice on this gun. Keep us posted on your experiences. great news hearing that spare magazines are available and at $30.00 which is quite reasonable for a gas magazine. I would think 50 ready shots should get you through most skirmishes or up to a point of elimination. (Reload at regen). At that the rifle and $120.oo worth of spare magazines is your actual price point. As with all gas magazines do take care to store them unloaded (no BBs) and keep the oil rings lubed with pure silicon oil without detergents.
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Post by compfire on Oct 17, 2013 19:42:01 GMT -5
Where are you finding the extra magazines?
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Post by brownien on Oct 17, 2013 20:07:29 GMT -5
Just to clarify, the m700 magazines DO NOT work in the kar98k! They are the same design but are a half inch shorter
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 17, 2013 22:33:09 GMT -5
Spare mag availability and affordability seems to be the only hold up to this gun being the best KAR 98 solution thus far. Keep us posted.
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Post by stuka on Oct 17, 2013 23:06:49 GMT -5
Just to clarify, the m700 magazines DO NOT work in the kar98k! They are the same design but are a half inch shorter The kjw ones correct?Might want to put emphasis on that bit
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Post by brownien on Oct 17, 2013 23:09:44 GMT -5
Yes, kjw m700 mags Do NOT work! I bought two and they are just a bit too short hopefully redfire will put out spare magazines at a decent price.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Nov 1, 2013 11:13:19 GMT -5
I hear that RedFire will make a Co2 mag that will work with this rifle, has anyone else seen any information on this? I wonder if the G&G mags will work with this rifle.
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Post by brownien on Nov 1, 2013 14:07:13 GMT -5
When I was searching around for spare mags, I did see on the redfire website that they are making co2 mags. I don't think that the g&g mags are compatible as they are a bit different in shape.
I did manage to drill and tap a hole in my gas mag to fit a nipple for a remote line and co2 tank. I'm waiting on a regulator to get everything up and running
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Post by stuka on Nov 9, 2013 15:17:55 GMT -5
is there any footage of this sucker in action per chance?
When I saw action, i mean in some sort of airsoft field during a game if possible. I know there is a video of some Chinese/asian guy shooting it in a warehouse or something.
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Post by sgtkillroy1944 on Nov 9, 2013 19:37:21 GMT -5
Well i might just have to pick this kar up! Thanks for all the info brownien
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Post by brownien on Nov 9, 2013 22:28:46 GMT -5
Very welcome! Just an update. I couldn't find a regulator for CO2 yet, but it occurred to me that I could just run a straight ling off of a propane tank! Same pressures, just a bigger supply! I should have that working soon
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Post by tommygunner9 on Nov 16, 2013 16:00:10 GMT -5
I've had quite a few problems with this rifle so far. The first is that the gas magazine took a crap on me. A piece that aligns the release valve so the firing pin can hit the valve will not stay in place. So, the pin is not hitting the gas release valve. This causes the gun to not shoot! I remedied this issue by sticking a small piece of mulch under the faulty piece, therefore forcing it upward to the correct position. The piece of mulch seems to be in there pretty tight and looks like it's not going anywhere.
It's shooting fine I think, but another thing I noticed is that the gas efficiency is not that good. The next problem is that the small O-ring that is around the nipple where one gasses comes out of place way too easily. I've tried countless times to stick it back in, but these efforts are in vain since it just keeps coming out of place. Maybe that's why my gas efficiency sucks.
The final problem with this rifle was the metal sling mount. I attached a Kar98k sling to the rifle, and the sling mount will not stay in place. It takes little to no effort to pop this piece out of place and literally slide it up the barrel. I fixed this by adding one or two coats of clear Scotch tape to the wood that the sling mount piece is over. When I put the piece back over to its position, it was snug and can hold the rifle for the shoulder.
When I skrimished the rifle, it hits great, just people don't call their hits. They think that just because 1 BB hit them, they don't need to call it because they were not hit by 1000 BBs from an M4. Very frustrating, considering it's a bolt-action rifle and one really needs to time, calculate, conserve and really appreciate every single shot. It makes me wanna charge their position and light them up with my S&T grease gun at 5 ft, screaming, "Are you gonna call it now?!"
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 17, 2013 1:17:21 GMT -5
The single hit response is sadly more incidental then deliberate. The typical airsofter seldom registers a single hit as in fact being an airsoft hit as they are used to 12 or more being in the mail when the first one hits. Groups who play a lot of low cap, limited ammo events with most weapons limited to semi auto are far more sensitive to individual hits. The exception to the failure to call individual hits are helmet shots,with a loud audible ping(my favorite) and hits to exposed skin or clothing without slack. OUCH!
Using single fire/ airsoft weapons (especially at traditional events) is extremely difficult but I have to admit I love the challenge. the best way to manage the frustration is to consider the individual who zombies on you as several seperate opponents and see them as additional opportunities in a target rich environment.
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Post by drunkalbertan on Nov 17, 2013 10:22:41 GMT -5
So from what tommygunner9 has exported it seems most of the problem is with the magazine. Could this not be remedied with purchasing Tanaka mags? I know the price is a detergent but are there any RedFire magazines in the retail world anyway?
WRT the barrel band being loose, my Tanaka has the same issue. Maybe not as pronounced but I believe it is only a matter of time. I'm currently looking into replacing it with a RS replacement if possible.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 17, 2013 11:18:44 GMT -5
On Redfire's Facebook (or maybe someone elses, all I know is that is was on Facebook) they said that spare mags will be out soon, but no retailers yet.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 17, 2013 14:54:58 GMT -5
All airsoft guns are on some level slaves to their feed system and since on most gas guns, magazines both provide the energy source and the BBs this is especially true. The availability, affordability and reliability of spare mags is going to be the key to this offerings success.
Providing limited volume, well made products to a very demanding niche is really challenging and the risk/ return margins are really slim. I am hopeful that this product will prove to be good and will succeed but Tommygunners report is disconcerting.
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Post by brownien on Nov 17, 2013 15:20:41 GMT -5
I'd like to note that I had the same problem with the rubber seal under the bolt. Mine actually came loose and got chopped up bad by the bolt. These can be replaced by the g&g m700 rubber kit, and I simply added a touch of glue to prevent it coming out. No problems with it since. IMO even if spare mags come out for this gun, I will still stick to using my speed loader and remote line mod. So far it has been very reliable, after glueing in the new rubber seal.
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Post by brownien on Nov 17, 2013 15:23:00 GMT -5
And as for the hammer mech not lining up, there is a spring where that mulch is, you must have lost yours. When drilling my mag for the remote line, I lost that spring too. I replaced it with a modified spring from a mechanical pen. Works as it should now
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 17, 2013 17:58:52 GMT -5
Great tips. Hopefully they work out for TommyGunner and others.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Nov 17, 2013 18:39:17 GMT -5
For $215 on ASGI, this is great rifle. It shoots hard and accurate, and looks just outstanding. It's just small, minor disappointments that one has to deal with. No airsoft gun is safe from those, and things will always break. We have a saying here in Miami about airsoft, that an airsofter's best friend is not his gun, but electrical tape!
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Post by stuka on Nov 26, 2013 17:06:55 GMT -5
well it's not just miami haha, used electrical tape to stick a bayonet on one of my airsoft guns
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Dec 15, 2013 10:05:30 GMT -5
I don't currently own this gun but plan on buying one as soon as AirsoftGI has them back in stock. Hopefully they will still have them discounted down to around $200. Tanaka magazines are compatible with this gun. I inquired from Tanaka what extra mags would cost and they quoated me $61. plus shipping is going to be about $81. just for one mag. I havnt seen anything yet about Redfire Co2 mags out yet, but will keep watching.
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Post by brownien on Dec 15, 2013 11:53:44 GMT -5
I hooked up mine with a quick release fitting that is one way, so I can hook up a remote line attached to a propane tank, and either charge the gas in the mag and remove it, or leave the line on, and it will maintain pressure in the mag
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 15, 2013 12:31:12 GMT -5
Did you drill and tap the hole for it, or did it go in the fill valve hole?
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Post by stuka on Dec 15, 2013 15:03:39 GMT -5
Well i don't believe they'll make it any cheaper then 215 since it was already discounted from 350+
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 15, 2013 15:12:19 GMT -5
AirsoftGI normally has a 15-20% discount going around, so that'll lower it even more.
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Post by brownien on Dec 15, 2013 16:40:15 GMT -5
I had to dissassemble, drill and tap it myself. Be very careful when taking it apart! Lots of tiny parts and hex bolts can strip very easily!
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