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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 13, 2015 12:59:56 GMT -5
To further your efforts now that you have blacked out the Nazi insignia I would use a white fabric pen to partially blot out your black so your modification is less noticeable. My emblems are done with Xs and unless you look right at them you really can't tell. Certainly five to 10 feet away they blend just fine.
Since I have a lot of minors participate in my events (with the blessings of usually somewhat apprehensive parents). It's just a hurdle to avoid.
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Post by princeofpinoys on Oct 15, 2015 18:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by Dracul on Oct 15, 2015 19:34:12 GMT -5
Definitely sheisty, but it will do the trick. Reminds me of all of those WWII video games that they release in Europe and change all the swastikas to iron crosses. Too bad he doesn't have standard Heer ones. Oh well, definitely going to make good with this guy.
Thanks for the link! Appreciated!
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Post by princeofpinoys on Oct 15, 2015 19:38:56 GMT -5
Yeah I was hoping he would have an SS one cause of my members isnt comfortable with a swastika on his sleeve
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2015 11:15:13 GMT -5
This to me seems like a clever alternative. Obviously from a historical perspective it is too bad such things are necessary in some jurisdictions but on the other hand Hitler wanted his third Reich with all its twisted objectives to last a thousand years and eradicating the symbol of his message (or at least attempting to) is one way to further obliterate it. I am of the belief that ignoring or attempting to forget history is the worst thing we can do.
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 17, 2015 10:56:35 GMT -5
Yes but Dracul is doing it for professional reasons..not because he is ignorant and that is 110% understandable and I can definitely accept that.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 18, 2015 22:29:44 GMT -5
There are many who could easily misinterpret what we do within our hobby and this could have negative professional ramifications so I understand perfectly.
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Post by wirbelwind on Oct 19, 2015 11:04:04 GMT -5
I might not have the same opinion as you guys, but I need to say this. Either you do it right or you don't do it at all. You basically KNOW what kind of uniform you are wearing. You can't make it 'better' or politically correct by removing the swastika or SS runes - it's just ridiculous. Of course I understand that misinterpretation is a thing with our hobby, especially reenactment, but in my opinion RECREATING something does not mean picking the 'nice' things and ignoring significant symbols just to hide what you're really wearing.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 19, 2015 13:45:52 GMT -5
I said for professional reasons. I'm not trying to cover up the past or anything like that. I'm a historian, I know/learning the uniforms, I know better! However and unfortunately, we live in a day of oversensitivity. Where a boss or supervisor can see something like what we do, see some symbolism they don't like or understand being displayed, and use that to get someone fired, prevent them from getting a promotion, or even hired. I have to be careful since I plan on going back into the military soon (while cutbacks are rampant and they are finding every possible excuse to separate members), and especially after all this recent Confederate flag nonsense!
Now, I'm all for trying to work towards getting things "right" with impressions, but I can't risk my long time professional goals over a hobby. Otherwise, I wouldn't give a damn about screwing with insignia and just go with the legit stuff to make things nice and simple. That stuff doesn't bother me at all personally and I'm not cherry picking the "nice" parts.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 19, 2015 14:40:32 GMT -5
I too work professionally for both US and I international clients. I do this hobby clandestinely to insure contracts keep coming. I am not ashamed of what I do or apologetic but I am smart enough to know it would be financial suicide for me to be blatant about my participation in it. A picture of me playing Army even in a US Army uniform (let alone a Nazi get up with full insignia) would not be professionally acceptable.
I love this hobby but all of you (if you aren't already) need to be mindful of the misguided impression our recreational activity can suggest from the masses who frankly don't and never will "get" what we do.
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Post by stuka on Oct 19, 2015 14:45:48 GMT -5
Some people get really upset with swastikas and people don't understand reenacting or that those who do axis ACTUALLY didn't like the policies, maybe the uniform, guns etc but not the government and it's ideologies.
People are perhaps overly sensitive and you could get in trouble as the overly sensitive have already made up their mind and explaining won't matter.
If he doesn't want to risk dealing with that, then whats the problem? Are really going to get all fidgety over a 2 centimeter swastika?
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Post by Dracul on Oct 19, 2015 17:20:05 GMT -5
Some people get really upset with swastikas and people don't understand reenacting or that those who do axis ACTUALLY didn't like the policies, maybe the uniform, guns etc but not the government and it's ideologies. People are perhaps overly sensitive and you could get in trouble as the overly sensitive have already made up their mind and explaining won't matter. If he doesn't want to risk dealing with that, then whats the problem? Are really going to get all fidgety over a 2 centimeter swastika? Exactly (and putting my words more simply)!!!
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Post by wirbelwind on Oct 20, 2015 9:21:22 GMT -5
I understand your statement. It's a good way to react to this situation we're all in. My comment might have been a bit aggressive, sorry for that, but what really upsets me is the fact that reenactment and such is not very accepted and you even have to 'hide' it for professional reasons. I know the reasons behind that behaviour, and I'm trying to fight it. People need to understand what happened in history and especially what serious reenactors are doing instead of being ignorant. I hope you get my point.
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Post by stuka on Oct 20, 2015 10:19:58 GMT -5
The problem is people don't care about history let alone the difference between reenactors and neo-nazis.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it
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Post by Dracul on Oct 20, 2015 17:51:51 GMT -5
Again, Stuka is right on the money on this. Everyone has their levels of understanding. Sometimes you get someone who just doesn't care to try and understand what we or anyone does (reenactment or other hobbies), and sometimes you will get SS reenactors who are of Jewish faith! Who wear proper insignia!
Wirberlwind, its fine, and I really do understand your sentiments. Maybe one day it will be like that, but until that day comes, or I find myself in a position where I won't need to hide it or blur the lines, I gotta do whats best.
On a more cheerful note... I've manage to come across more really damned good deals, so soon enough I'll be showing off a decent early war impression!
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 21, 2015 0:31:01 GMT -5
I myself wear all correct insignia but just don't really post them online much. If questioned about it by friends who know I have a german uniform..I don't tell them about reenacting because I live in the middle of liberal valley California..they won't care what reenacting is, to them I appear as a neo nazi. I just tell people that I use my uniforms as props in films and they seem to take that pretty well
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 21, 2015 0:31:59 GMT -5
But going into the military..you definitely need to be careful with what's floating around you if you really want some high clearance security pass
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Post by Dracul on Oct 21, 2015 19:21:33 GMT -5
Yeah, its sad that the over sensitivity and "public image" plagues our military, too.... They are even trying to severely limit tattoos these days. So much for Naval traditions. On a happier subject, I got myself a Tornister Pack! Sorry for the cell phone quality. I also have early war jack boots and should have a wool M36 tunic on the way in! Only thing I'll need after that is a gas mask can and pouch, then some insignia to finish it off. Obviously with the previous insignia discussion, and can't justify replacing the M42 greatcoat with an entirely new and earlier one, I can't really be going for a Stitch Knot-see level impression, but I'm definitely trying over here!
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Post by princeofpinoys on Oct 21, 2015 20:02:24 GMT -5
Is that a modified Swedish Canteen?
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Post by Dracul on Oct 21, 2015 20:36:11 GMT -5
No, its a Chinese repro that I replaced the strap with a good one from Hessen Antique. Color is a bit weird due to the yellow lighting and these silly "auto" settings my phone's camera has.
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 22, 2015 23:02:26 GMT -5
The color of the Chinese repro wool covers aren't really all that correct, but some well done artificial aging would very well cover up that fact. You're a pretty handy guy..I'd actually like to see what you could do with artificial aging!
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Post by Dracul on Oct 23, 2015 6:53:31 GMT -5
I think I'll just swap out the covers at that point. What would be the more correct color cover for early war?
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 23, 2015 9:29:24 GMT -5
Good repro covers are pretty expensive actually. But there was quite a bit of variation tho. Felt covers were a brown/gray combo..but brown was usually the most prevalent color. Iirc early war was more brown than late war but there's quite a bit of variation everywhere. Lots of Chinese repros are straight gray and use cheap felt. I use an early post war East German cover which is identical to wartime ones..except for mine don't have the stars on the snaps. However there were 1944 models without stars..anyway finding an early post war one is not a bad idea at all. You can search around eBay and probably find some
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 23, 2015 11:40:49 GMT -5
Dracul. I used A large brown felt pen and over washed your tan canteen cover and while not ideal it enhanced the looks. In spite of the polyester content the dye seems to be holding.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 23, 2015 22:31:04 GMT -5
Well, I got this brown canteen cover in a big trade, its good condition, so I guess its a repro, and it feels better than the Chinese cover. I was just going to use it to swap it on my canteen for my DAK impression. But if this is more correct for early war, I'll go and throw it on now. (Brown felt under it is for homemade canteen covers I'll be making for loaner canteens. Color is close, not perfect, but I think its good for loaner. I'll save this for my other thread though....)
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Post by ssgjoe on Oct 24, 2015 14:07:16 GMT -5
Thy cover I think would be much better than your current cover
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Post by Dracul on Oct 25, 2015 11:12:47 GMT -5
Awesome, thanks.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 13, 2015 12:38:48 GMT -5
Got a few key items here for my Early War impression. Added wool M36 tunic, early war Jack Boots, and Tornister Pack. Front: Back: Sorry the tornister pack looks caved it, I really don't have much stuffing it right now (Mosin is there since I don't have a finished/whole Kar98). I still need a gas mask can and cape pouch and more insignia next. I know I definitely have to replace the shoulderboards. The M36 there didn't come with any, and the ones in the pics here are take-offs from my HBT M36, and the piping is all glossy for whatever reason.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 13, 2015 13:00:38 GMT -5
Ready for the Russian Front! You'll be in Moscow by Christmas. Looking good.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 13, 2015 23:25:22 GMT -5
Only to be pushed back to Berlin later! Thanks!
I'm finally going to a range and accuracy test with my own Kar98 tomorrow!
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