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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 13:25:20 GMT -5
So i've been playing with the idea of really getting into world war 2 airsoft, but recently i was able to amass the money to buy a rifle. I was thinking about the matrix B.A.R, as I was going to try an early war marine load out. Please respond with any opinions on the matter!
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Nick
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Post by wilhelmmoa on Nov 28, 2013 13:47:34 GMT -5
Well I had a echo 1 BAR and I think there pretty similar, let's just say that you are going to have to be rather muscular to carry it all day. Otherwise I performed rather well! www.evike.com/product_info.php?products_id=32345There is a review video on the bottom.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 14:41:52 GMT -5
Would you say it makes a decent support gun?
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Post by newcomer on Nov 28, 2013 14:47:03 GMT -5
Like the real BAR, the low (190) capacity hurts in sustained fire, but it can do the job. Just make sure to have 2-3 spare magazines.
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Post by stuka on Nov 28, 2013 14:54:41 GMT -5
well realistically only held 20 rounds os i mean, it's meant as mobile fire support, for sustained firesupport they had the 1919
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 15:08:31 GMT -5
Well luckily at 22$ per extra magazine, it shouldn't become an overly expensive investment. But just to clarify, as far as WW2 airsoft goes, the BAR is an alright support rifle?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2013 15:11:54 GMT -5
The ECHO 1 is as near as I can tell one and the same as the MATRIX with only subtle differences. It is ideal in the squad support role intended if the bulk of the participants are functioning as they should in semi auto fire with limited ammo. As mentioned like the actual BAR it is long, heavy and awkward but it kickd out BBs at just slightly over 400 FPS (20 gram) and mine so far has proven to be reliable and robust. As with the real BAR the magazines are quite large and take up a lot of space in your web gear. The mags fit great in all the original web gear.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 15:45:33 GMT -5
How is the accuracy and range on your ECHO 1?
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 28, 2013 15:54:01 GMT -5
My friend has one and I can get man-sized groups at 200 ft, not bad for a support weapon.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 16:15:28 GMT -5
Not bad at all! Does anyone know if the BAR in wide spread use with the marines during WW2?
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Post by newcomer on Nov 28, 2013 16:56:11 GMT -5
My knowledge of the marines is relatively limited but I do know that in the early battles of the war, like Guadalcanal, there were BARs around. I can imagine as their supply situation improved more and more would trickle in.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 16:58:33 GMT -5
Okay thanks.
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Post by stuka on Nov 28, 2013 19:01:17 GMT -5
From what i read, bar's were the center of usmc squads and as the war progessed you would likely see at least 2 per sqaud
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2013 19:57:38 GMT -5
The BAR by table of organization was more common place in the Marines then the Army. Absolutely an appropriate Marine weapon and indeed the accuracy even at 200 feet is very very good. I shoot .28s in mine which reduces the FPS but also reduces the effects of light wind and punches through foliage a bit better.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Nov 28, 2013 21:19:20 GMT -5
BAR's were very common with the Marines in WWII. Their squads were organized in three teams of three, and one sometimes two of the squad members had a BAR
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 21:36:50 GMT -5
Thank you all very much! I can now fall asleep knowing that the BAR was in wide use by the marines. I also have drawn the conclusion that the Matrix BAR is a very good choice in the way of WW2 airsoft.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2013 21:51:54 GMT -5
The only main complaint relative to the fabulous VFC BAR it was obviouly cloned from is the plastic"simulated wood" vs the actual wood on the VFC but there is now a fairly affordable upgrade kit. I find the simulated wood to be well done and not especially objectionable.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 28, 2013 22:14:42 GMT -5
I always figured that I would just eventually get the real wood kit as I see fit. How heavy would you guess the rifle to be?
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Post by aj czarkowski on Nov 28, 2013 22:18:36 GMT -5
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Post by newcomer on Nov 29, 2013 0:36:47 GMT -5
I believe the weight of the (mostly aluminum) rifle is around 12-13 lbs without the bipod. The bipod itself is solid steel, and weighs a solid 2lbs on its own. I removed it most of the time, its a lot of torque at the end of the weapon making it fairly unwieldy, as the relatively light plastic stock has virtually no torque to counteract it.
Its perfectly manageable once you get used to it, however.
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Post by stuka on Nov 29, 2013 6:49:31 GMT -5
3vike also has wood kits so yeah
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 29, 2013 11:30:17 GMT -5
I personally would advise against the wood kit. WWII BARs did not have wood stocks (at least most didn't). The stock was bakelite, an early plastic. The handguard was real wood though. I would just paint the stock matte black and get a RS BAR handguard (it has only one screw holding it compared to the two on airsoft one). Just my 2¢.
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Post by stuka on Nov 29, 2013 13:54:54 GMT -5
well thats actually very debated considering the b&w photos, hard to distinguish black from wood. Either way would work but if you are doing late war a bakelite would be more likely but not necessary
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 29, 2013 17:11:41 GMT -5
I think ill just buy the wood kit, paint the original plastic stock black and then if I really wanted to I could switch out the plastic stock for the wood one. But my first priority will be more magazines, considering the relatively low capacity of the only extra hi-caps available.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 29, 2013 18:26:27 GMT -5
Yes, spare mags are a must for really any weapon. I have nine Garand clips, and still looking for more.At least BAR mags are cheap.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 29, 2013 19:14:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know how expensive Magazine belts are for the BAR?
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 29, 2013 20:19:19 GMT -5
There are cheapass Chinese BAR belts that are around $40, but they are water-soluble. An ATF BAR belt is $100, which I heartily recommend.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Nov 29, 2013 20:42:30 GMT -5
how bad are the chinese BAR belts? I'm resistant to spending 100 bucks on an ammo belt.
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Post by murph1797 on Nov 29, 2013 20:52:15 GMT -5
Yeah 100 dollars is a lot, but at the same time i'll pay for quality.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Nov 29, 2013 21:10:12 GMT -5
From "The Browning Automatic Rifle" by Robert R. Hodges Jr. "As a direct result of wartime shortages, two other companies made important contributions to the BAR of this era. With a dearth of walnut wood for the thousands of butt stocks required, Firestone Rubber and Latex Products Company came up with a special shredded-fabric-infused plastic that could take the place of the walnut stock. In March 1942, Ordnance approved the use of Firestone’s plastic stock."
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