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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 9, 2013 18:28:04 GMT -5
I wanted to work on a Pelelui kit, but couldnt tell if it was more Iwo Jima or Peleliu. Gear: M1 helmet with cover, P-41 uniform light OD#7 suspenders and belt, '43 M1 Carbine mag pouches, 2 OD#3/Khaki canteen pouches, OD#7 first aid pouch, and '44 USN leggings and Rough out service shoes. I want to know where I'm leaning towards and what I would need, I would like an Iwo Jima impression.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 9, 2013 18:53:29 GMT -5
If it was OD#7, it's probably more Iwo Jima. I am by no means an expert on USMC, but if it is similar to the Army, OD#7 is more late war.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 9, 2013 19:09:47 GMT -5
If it was OD#7, it's probably more Iwo Jima. I am by no means an expert on USMC, but if it is similar to the Army, OD#7 is more late war. But I look at a few pics and they seem to have Khaki equipment.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 9, 2013 19:43:27 GMT -5
"Khaki" is what noobs call OD#3. (Channeling owner of At The Front.) Pictures of Iwo Jima? There are pictures of US paratroopers wearing M42s on VE Day. Frankly, I don't even know if the OD#7 made it to the boys in the Pacific at all (I bet it did). Overall, I would say go with the Iwo Jima/Okinawa look. Stitch Nazis won't criticize you as much.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 9, 2013 19:58:44 GMT -5
"Khaki" is what noobs call OD#3. (Channeling owner of At The Front.) Pictures of Iwo Jima? There are pictures of US paratroopers wearing M42s on VE Day. Frankly, I don't even know if the OD#7 made it to the boys in the Pacific at all (I bet it did). Overall, I would say go with the Iwo Jima/Okinawa look. Stitch Nazis won't criticize you as much. So, 2 OD#3 canteen pouches and everything else is OD#7, right?
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Post by brownien on Dec 9, 2013 20:50:21 GMT -5
Correct. And I would guess that P41 uniforms were more Pelelui while P42's were more a Iwo Jima type uniform
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 10, 2013 15:33:37 GMT -5
I personally would go with a Saipan or Guam (or even Tinian) impression. You don't hear much about these battles.
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Post by shiftsup on Dec 10, 2013 15:38:35 GMT -5
With that kit you're pretty much set for either Iwo Jima or Peleliu. A good rule of thumb for adding some army kit (Army HBT trousers, M36 Suspenders) for an impression is tied to those island conflicts that also involved the Army. Peleliu definitely, Iwo Jima...not so much. If you care, one thing to note is the "proper" USMC HBT Utility Cap didn't come out until November 1944. So rule that out for Peleliu.
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Post by halfnelson on Dec 10, 2013 16:57:43 GMT -5
P42's were pretty much ditched after OP Cartwheel (VERY rare to find a photo of GI's wearing P42's after Cartwheel, early 1944) but I bet some were used. P41's are your best bet there. Oh, and don't forget the M41 jacket for Iwo Jima! A pretty basic and straight-forward loadout for Iwo would, imo, be (from top to bottom): - M1 helmet with reversible camo cover - M41 jacket - P41 uniform - USMC gaiters (Army gaiters are acceptable in my book) - Boondockers (again, roughouts would be acceptable) Web gear: - M1941 suspenders (or corpsman harness, alot comfier) - M1936 pistol belt (I'm assuming you're using an M1 carbine) - Two carbine pouches; one on your belt, one on your buttstock (takes up less space that way) - Two USMC canteen pouches (pattern doesn't really matter, all were used throughout the war) - USMC Jungle first aid pouch - Carlisle first aid pouch (both USMC and Army versions are fine) And then you can always add the M1941 pack system, but that's not necessary for a "combat/patrol" impression. The shade of OD doesn't matter much for such a late-war kit as all kinds of shades existed and were used. A relatively even mix of both looks the best, but that's just my opinion. You seem to be pretty well set for this time frame already! Good luck!
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 10, 2013 18:06:06 GMT -5
P42's were pretty much ditched after OP Cartwheel (VERY rare to find a photo of GI's wearing P42's after Cartwheel, early 1944) but I bet some were used. P41's are your best bet there. Oh, and don't forget the M41 jacket for Iwo Jima! A pretty basic and straight-forward loadout for Iwo would, imo, be (from top to bottom): - M1 helmet with reversible camo cover - M41 jacket - P41 uniform - USMC gaiters (Army gaiters are acceptable in my book) - Boondockers (again, roughouts would be acceptable) Web gear: - M1941 suspenders (or corpsman harness, alot comfier) - M1936 pistol belt (I'm assuming you're using an M1 carbine) - Two carbine pouches; one on your belt, one on your buttstock (takes up less space that way) - Two USMC canteen pouches (pattern doesn't really matter, all were used throughout the war) - USMC Jungle first aid pouch - Carlisle first aid pouch (both USMC and Army versions are fine) And then you can always add the M1941 pack system, but that's not necessary for a "combat/patrol" impression. The shade of OD doesn't matter much for such a late-war kit as all kinds of shades existed and were used. A relatively even mix of both looks the best, but that's just my opinion. You seem to be pretty well set for this time frame already! Good luck! So, if I have everything you listed, it would work for Peleliu and Iwo? I have a P-41 and wouldn't mind getting another jacket for Iwo. Do I need the jungle first aid pouch?
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Post by halfnelson on Dec 10, 2013 20:13:25 GMT -5
Yeah. With a few exceptions pretty much the same stuff were used during both operations (no M41 jackets during Peleliu), so you're pretty much set. You don't 'need' the jungle first aid kit, but it's one of those iconic USMC items that was issued to everyone, righ up there with the reversible helmet cover and poncho etc, so it would make a nice addition to the loadout.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 12, 2013 9:56:19 GMT -5
Thank you man, you were an AMAZING help Thank you so much!
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 12, 2013 15:18:11 GMT -5
Light OD#7 P-41 suspenders and pistol belt, two OD#3 canteen pouches, 1 OD#3 first aid pouch (?), 2 OD M1 Carbine pouches and a Jungle fisrt aid pouch (OD#7 + 3) is that good?
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Post by halfnelson on Dec 12, 2013 18:54:50 GMT -5
Sounds fine to me. One thing to remember about USMC and Army PTO gear is that it faded FAST! All that rain, saltwater and sunshine made the stuff they wore degrade alot faster than stuff, say, troops stationed in the ETO did. The "saltier" your gear looks, the better! Unless you're doing an right-off-the-LVT impression of course. Oh, and you're welcome! Glad I could help out.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Dec 13, 2013 21:38:01 GMT -5
Sounds fine to me. One thing to remember about USMC and Army PTO gear is that it faded FAST! All that rain, saltwater and sunshine made the stuff they wore degrade alot faster than stuff, say, troops stationed in the ETO did. The "saltier" your gear looks, the better! Unless you're doing an right-off-the-LVT impression of course. Oh, and you're welcome! Glad I could help out. You haven't seen me in combat, my gear gets f*cked up real fast
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 14, 2013 12:52:57 GMT -5
Doesn't all of ours?
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Post by 2ndmardiv on Jan 19, 2014 21:46:10 GMT -5
USMCbrony, I think that it would be best to stay away from OD-7 items in general. Marines in the pacific, even in 1945 were still using OD-3. For Iwo Jima and Okinawa, the only item I know of that would be OD-7 is the m-43 folding e-tool. Also I don't believe the p42 camo uniform is accurate for anything except Tarawa and other small battles at the end of '43 and early '44. Good luck on finishing your loadout.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Jan 23, 2014 20:00:42 GMT -5
USMCbrony, I think that it would be best to stay away from OD-7 items in general. Marines in the pacific, even in 1945 were still using OD-3. For Iwo Jima and Okinawa, the only item I know of that would be OD-7 is the m-43 folding e-tool. Also I don't believe the p42 camo uniform is accurate for anything except Tarawa and other small battles at the end of '43 and early '44. Good luck on finishing your loadout. I got light OD#7 and ATF OD#3 mixed up, everything I have is from ATF in OD#3. Thanks
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 12, 2014 1:30:14 GMT -5
The only common OD7 item in USMC service was the M2 "Jungle First Aid" pouch. I got mine for $30-40 off eBay, and it had unopened original contents in it which was a plus. Granted I removed them as a few items were in rather bad shape after 60 some years. Stick with OD3 for everything else.
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