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Post by IwoJima3823 on Jan 24, 2014 22:57:29 GMT -5
I need to know how Marines got their top pack so square and perfect, how do I pack this stuff to make it perfect? If you could respond ASAP that would be amazing.
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Post by stuka on Jan 25, 2014 0:04:01 GMT -5
you should be able to use the steel pot in place of the mess tin to save ya a few bucks
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 25, 2014 15:04:57 GMT -5
You could probably do without the gloves too, I don't think the Marines wore winter gloves on Guadalcanal
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 25, 2014 19:11:02 GMT -5
Extra ammo, c-rations, spare socks, an m41 field jacket, toilet paper, flashlight, mosquito net. Compass, Camo stick, Think about what you'd need to function in the field for two or three days.
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Post by 2ndmardiv on Feb 4, 2014 21:54:35 GMT -5
As far as airsofting goes,I try to carry only what I need in my 782 haversack. I carry 2 bags of 5000 bbs at the bottom of the back, a nice folded white/green t-shirt, ration boxes or cans of food and a 50 round Thompson drum pouch that I used with my Thompson before I got a B.A.R. Inside that pouch I carry spare batteries, tools and some extra eye protection, also it is important to get not only enough equipment inside, it can almost be more important the way it is all packed in. Hope this helps.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 12, 2014 1:56:23 GMT -5
According to "The Pack" :
2. Haversack (figs. 1 and 4).--(a) The haversack is designed so that without crowding it will carry the personal articles normally required when going ashore for combat. When so packed the inside flaps, side and rear, fold over to protect the contents. The articles usually carried include the following: Bayonet, in scabbard, hooked to bayonet attachment and passing through bayonet loop (fig. 10) Intrenching tool, in carrier, hooked to intrenching tool attachment and secured by intrenching tool strap (fig. 10) Steel helmet, secured by top blanket roll strap (fig. 10) Poncho, folded and inserted in haversack to act as pad against back. Meat can and cover. Knife, haversack. Fork, haversack. Spoon, haversack. 1 socks, pair. 1 undershirt. 1 drawers. Toilet articles. 1 U.S. Army C ration consisting of three cans of meat component and three cans containing bread component, coffee, and sugar. 1 U.S. Army chocolate D ration. (b) When additional articles are to be carried, the capacity of haversack may be increased by turning up the inside flaps.
That is word for word, letter for letter out of the US Marine Corps Headquarters December 16, 1941 publication "The Pack". I have my original poncho placed as prescribed, six canned goods, my mess kit, after that things get stuffed in where I can get them.
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Mar 13, 2014 15:59:28 GMT -5
According to "The Pack" : 2. Haversack (figs. 1 and 4).--(a) The haversack is designed so that without crowding it will carry the personal articles normally required when going ashore for combat. When so packed the inside flaps, side and rear, fold over to protect the contents. The articles usually carried include the following: Bayonet, in scabbard, hooked to bayonet attachment and passing through bayonet loop (fig. 10) Intrenching tool, in carrier, hooked to intrenching tool attachment and secured by intrenching tool strap (fig. 10) Steel helmet, secured by top blanket roll strap (fig. 10) Poncho, folded and inserted in haversack to act as pad against back. Meat can and cover. Knife, haversack. Fork, haversack. Spoon, haversack. 1 socks, pair. 1 undershirt. 1 drawers. Toilet articles. 1 U.S. Army C ration consisting of three cans of meat component and three cans containing bread component, coffee, and sugar. 1 U.S. Army chocolate D ration. (b) When additional articles are to be carried, the capacity of haversack may be increased by turning up the inside flaps. That is word for word, letter for letter out of the US Marine Corps Headquarters December 16, 1941 publication "The Pack". I have my original poncho placed as prescribed, six canned goods, my mess kit, after that things get stuffed in where I can get them. What about the bottom pack?
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 15, 2014 10:24:41 GMT -5
I don't have the manual handy at the moment, I will have time later after work. But from what I remember the knapsack contained extra boondockers, dungarees, shirts, drawers, socks, etc. I can copy the bedroll instructions as well if you'd like.
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Post by wilhelmmoa on Mar 15, 2014 22:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 15, 2014 23:27:44 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but the kid isn't completely correct on packing his pack. Not according to official USMC literature from WWII. And from what I've gathered from usmcbrony's previous posts on other threads, he's about authenticity. I admire that, as I'm all about authenticity, even if it's not the norm (as long as I can back it up with historical evidence.). I can't argue the way he assembles the haversack to the knapsack, however he's missing one crucial component of the transport pack. The P41 suspenders. Also, placement of the poncho is incorrect. It was sometimes rolled up and strapped on the bottom of the pack, but typically stowed away in the haversack.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 16, 2014 15:48:50 GMT -5
As a retired Infantryman I can assure you that once your most immediate fear becomes getting killed by the enemy and a pissed off drill sgt is suddenly low on the list of concerns, guys packed, loaded and wore their gear any way that made sense to them and references to the official documents of the time is a laughable distraction from reality. If authenticity is what you truly seek, talk to vets of the time and attend and use the gear in the field at events. Whatever your tendancies would be at an airsoft game are exactly what they would quickly be in the field of battle. Things that looked great on a parade ground or barracks inspection facilitate training and formal inspections but not war time expediency which trumps everything.
I think enthusiasts need to spend more time doing and less time reading about things.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 17, 2014 0:28:02 GMT -5
While I agree with your point, I also think as a reenactor you should learn the "proper" way as well and this video is not showing that. I haven't had the luxury or honor to talk with many vets, and you know as well as I that there are fewer every day. The one WWII Marine I have met lived across the street from me, but passed away before it even registered to me what WWII was. And he was a DI throughout the war, which my dad told me he hated as he would have rather been in the fight. In an airsoft game, IF I even use my pack, it's in its basic form (haversack supported by its own suspenders) and done up similarly to his haversack so I can ditch it without having to ditch my belt. Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to argue your point, I respect your point as well as agree. It was more of an observation based on what was being asked for and what was given. On a side note, when I worked at a gas station a few years ago, I had a WWII/Korea vet challenge me to an arm wrestling competition. Kind of surprised, I took the challenge unsure of how to go about it. We got ready, he said go and very slowly he raised his middle finger, smiled and walked away, lol.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 17, 2014 0:32:17 GMT -5
And to finally answer his ? about the knapsack, it lists the following: 1 shoes, pair. 1 trousers 2 shirts 2 socks, pairs 2 undershirts 2 drawers
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Post by IwoJima3823 on Mar 17, 2014 21:20:54 GMT -5
I hate to say it, but the kid isn't completely correct on packing his pack. Not according to official USMC literature from WWII. And from what I've gathered from usmcbrony's previous posts on other threads, he's about authenticity. I admire that, as I'm all about authenticity, even if it's not the norm (as long as I can back it up with historical evidence.). I can't argue the way he assembles the haversack to the knapsack, however he's missing one crucial component of the transport pack. The P41 suspenders. Also, placement of the poncho is incorrect. It was sometimes rolled up and strapped on the bottom of the pack, but typically stowed away in the haversack. I'm not missing my suspenders, I've had em for a while. I play airsoft for days and nights in the woods, I would try and get myself as close to the "real thing" as possible, hell I even made Works bombs just for fun, but I know the poncho is wrong, I just needed a place to put it for a while, if you want updated photos friend me on FB under Anthony Dienno.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 18, 2014 3:19:05 GMT -5
Lol I wasn't referring to you about the suspenders
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 18, 2014 19:25:03 GMT -5
In spite of my post I do actually see value in using reference material to see what the "by the book" method of using, setting up, or loading your gear was. Its something every GI or Marine was exposed to and was probably drummed into their head. I just wanted to be sure no was lead to believe that the " Prescribed methods " were what people neccessarily did. If ultimately it made sense it probably in fact was but in the field of battle and with widely assorted factors influencing things an equally wide variety of implementation took place.
My father (a pre war and WW2 veteran) showed me how to properly pack the full field set up for the M1928 Haversack. After all those years he remembered each and every step. Once done he quickly pointed out that otherthan during formal movements like loading onto ships or for significant inspections by high ranking rear eschelon officers or official press release photos it was never done like that.
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