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Post by devlin12 on Mar 5, 2014 17:14:11 GMT -5
i have some questions about the use of tanks in reinactments and i want to know all the rules governing them such as max fps of nerf pocket rocket launcher,max speed,coloration and level of authenticity(prototype models or just mass preduction versions) aswell as how many other guns mounted (coaxial,bow mounted hmg and pistol ports), im in the planning stage of a build and i want to know if i need anything added or regulated(fps/top speed) so as to not brake the rules BTW the tank im making is a Panther (F) with the 7.5 KWK L/100 gun that was being developed for it(to all those like me who know what the designations mean,thats right L/100!) [side note:the kwk stands for tank gun,the 7.5cm is the round calibr,and the L/ designates the ratio of caliber to barrel length (e.g. L/100 is 100x longer that the shell is wide,making my "model" tank gun 200 in. long(16.6 ft) for the 2 in. inner diameter ]i just want to make it more realistic of a combat scenario,as terrifying as it may be! also i recomend that the rules for this be like the sniper rifle rules(minimum ingagement distance of 100 ft) ill post pictures of it once i start construction so others can make some aswell,the more the merrier!! also let me know of any width limits for the trails i would be driving,i can post some specs if anyone wants to know? im new here too so i dont know anyone,if anyone has/is doing something similer please tell me,id love to swap info!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 5, 2014 17:35:05 GMT -5
I don't know about the current use of tanks in any groups in the United States. There are, however, some in the UK. Welcome to the forum!
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Post by wilhelmmoa on Mar 5, 2014 17:48:58 GMT -5
I group I'm in has half tracks, trucks, armored cars and a motorcycle. I don't know any specific rules but I would ask ersatzjack and ersatzjack2, they know a lot about armored vehicles in airsoft. Good luck on your project!
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Post by devlin12 on Mar 5, 2014 18:33:42 GMT -5
shiftysgarand i saw some videos of the uk places/ thx looking forward to shootin ya wilhelmmoa thx i think it'll turn out well,what area is your group in,im in nj and i think itd be cool to go into battle with/against some puny motorcycles and armored cars >:]
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 5, 2014 18:38:16 GMT -5
Wilhemmoa is in Minnesota, and I'm in Michigan, so it'd be quite a drive, but I'd be willing to go to NJ or NY to put a Gammon grenade on your tank ;D
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Post by ssgjoe on Mar 5, 2014 18:43:03 GMT -5
And I'm in CA! trying to spread interest in WWII airsift here. And it's doing pretty well. First WWII game in SF Bay Area (or first in a long time) taking place in August/September.
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Post by devlin12 on Mar 5, 2014 19:03:02 GMT -5
ssgjoe sounds fun,but no way my panzer will be ready by then sry mate shiftysgarand id like to see you make it past my bow gunner! X] im gunna post some of the specs,just for the comedy! hull width 7' hull length 13' hull hight 2'9" turret hight 2'1" turret width 5'6" GUN LENGHT 16'8"!!! gun bore 2" air cannon psi 50-100 psi crew comlament 3(driver gunner and bow gunner) ground clearance 1' steering type double differential transmission 1 reverse gear,2 forward other fetures: electric elevation(for the 16 foot gun!) manual crank traverse fully painted in period camo and markings fully welded steel hull with 1/2 inch ply as skin cast aluminum differential full metal tracks cameras for driver to have full 180 frontal view(dont want to make perascopes) does not include: kitchen sink
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Post by devlin12 on Mar 5, 2014 19:06:17 GMT -5
btw my avatar pic is of the panther F prototype,mounting the 7.5mm kwk L/72 because the L/100 was still being designed(all prototypes of the 100 were so long and heavy that they snapped in half XD they were working on a new metal that was lighter yet stronger,never happened though)
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 5, 2014 20:41:19 GMT -5
devlin12 us airborne troops are sneaky- we'll get past
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Post by devlin12 on Mar 5, 2014 21:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 5, 2014 22:26:15 GMT -5
Typically with vehicles nerf launched projectiles are required to knock them out and with tanks the hits have to be on the side or rear. Your demensions seem a bit small to house three crew men. what are you planning to use for an actual drivetrain?
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Mar 7, 2014 20:44:32 GMT -5
We have a very active ww2 community in the north east, you should try going to some of the games to see what it's all about before trying such an ambitious project. But I like the way you think, I have had dreams of building a Hetzer. for now I'll stick with building Kar98 springers and Ammo crates.
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Post by insterburger on Mar 7, 2014 21:18:32 GMT -5
But I like the way you think, I have had dreams of building a Hetzer. "Make no small plans, they have no magic to stir men's souls." --Daniel Burnham
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 8, 2014 1:21:49 GMT -5
A hetzer is a far wiser choice as its demensions could be authentic while still manageable for transport and deployment.. My son and I built two Panther tanks in half scale that were flintstone powered. This was when he was 9-10 years old. Scale wise for him it was actually quite satisfactory but for reenacting it just didn't make the cut. I was quite pleased with them visually and enjoyed doing the foam zimmerit paste and camo schemes, numbering etc. Alas after years in my garage my wife (and neighbors) had kind of had enough. I left them at the field we played at and that is where they remain mostly rotted away by the elements. The field is no longer usable for paintball or airsoft.
I like your ambition but this forum is filled with big plans and ambitious wishes. Share what you have done rather than what you "plan" to do. Vehicles add a tremendous demension to airsoft so i wish you well but a Panther tank is a lot of work and expense to build (even in half scale) and will be a distraction as much as an enhancement at a WW2 airsoft event in the demensions you describe. The Panther was a HUGE tank in its day. Building it is one thing but you will find storage and transporting to and from events very challenging. You will also find that a single armored vehicle is tactically almost worthless.
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Post by shiftsup on Apr 7, 2014 21:27:32 GMT -5
Up here in Ontario we're having an invite only D Day game on the June 6 weekend. Organizer has stated that wwii vehicles will be in play. And rumour has it that one of the vehicles is a real deal Panzer II or III.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 8, 2014 0:21:19 GMT -5
A panzer Mk II or III obviously would be awesome. I didn't realize any were operational on this side of the ocean. I learned something this weekend that I am trying to do some additional research on. I always assumed the Hetzer was a redone Czech t38 light tank where once obsolete the turret was removed and the vehicle was reconfigured as a small assault vehicle. Apparently though nearly identical the chassis and drive train were apparently not the same at all. I also heard that the nickname Hetzer was not commonplace at all during the war by either the Germans or allies.
The Hetzer still remains an excellent candidate for an Airsoft armored vehicle.
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Post by shiftsup on Apr 8, 2014 8:12:26 GMT -5
I didn't know there was an operational Panzer II or III in NA either. However, we had a meeting over the weekend where the beans were spilled and apparently there is.
I'll be pulling a Forrest Guth and snapping a pic or two most certainly.
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Post by volkssturm on Apr 8, 2014 11:42:34 GMT -5
Just a small nitpick (because I'm a %&^$^%^ know it all). 7.5 cm is actually about 3 inches (2.95 to be precise).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 8, 2014 14:36:16 GMT -5
Devlin. Much as I love your fantasy and the mental gymnastics that goes along with your vision. Show us something you have done or are doing. Masturbation is best done privately.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Apr 8, 2014 15:44:12 GMT -5
One question: Why the ausf. F? None ever saw service. it'd be just as realistic to have JS-3s facing Pz.Jg. E.100s. Why not just a panther ausf. A?
Also, what are you planning on building it on?
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Apr 8, 2014 15:46:20 GMT -5
Also Devlin, it'd be easier to make on top of a minivan. You do realize that a scratch build, fully functional tank, even at a smaller scale, is still going to run you at LEAST 10k? If youre that set, save up, get a VT-55, and begin welding onto that
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 8, 2014 17:06:50 GMT -5
Indeed many questions about how he plans to execute his vision. I agree the A version would be wiser. A full scale panther (even with plywood for armored plate) is goimg to be HUGE and extremely difficult and expensive to build.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Apr 8, 2014 17:35:28 GMT -5
If he does make it, why make a tank that never saw any action? My dream tank would be an E100, but since none were ever completed (just a hull), it would be farbilicious. same with a panther F.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 9, 2014 1:17:38 GMT -5
Its all a moot discussion as what someone disusses doing and actually do are vastly different. I truly would love to eat my word and see him actually produce something but I'm afraid his tease is alas just that.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 1, 2015 12:42:58 GMT -5
A friend who in past has allowed us the use of his Self Propelled 105 turreted howitzer for a substitute "Tank" recently acquired a post war HAWK missle carrier. This full tracked tiny vehicle would be the perfect base for a very credible Hetzer. There is no upper structure to speak of just a framing that three large HAWK missles would mount to. (This vehicle was designed to haul the rockets as a sort of ammunition transport system not a launcher). The road wheels look to be the same road wheels used on the M113 armored personell carrier but there are only three on each side.
I told him I would be willing to build the Hetzer outer shell and would design it so it lifted on and off without alteration to the vehicle itself. The drivers head would need to extend out through the top for visibility and there would be a place toward the rear for a MGr with a large sissy plate (much like the actual vehicle ). The Hetzer like many German vehicles often used side skirt armor protection for the tracks and road wheels and this would further camouflage the conversion.
He is considering it.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 2, 2015 14:49:55 GMT -5
Now that is really cool! Hope it works out.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 2, 2015 23:38:31 GMT -5
The vehicles has a Christie suspension so not unlike the Hetzer but with smaller road wheels. The side skirts would disquise that. A cool German "ambush pattern" paint job and proper insignia along with a working CO2 powered main gun would just be cool. its small enough for easy transport to events and could function in the small jeep trails most of our venues have.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jan 3, 2015 11:28:14 GMT -5
I've seen those HAWKs, theyre waaay too small even for a hetzer. better off just purchasing an FV432 conversion from one of the UK builders.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 3, 2015 12:40:33 GMT -5
Last time I checked my wallet wasn't bottomless. It will still cost me over a grand to fabricate what I have in mind. And that doesn't include the base vehicle!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jan 3, 2015 12:42:07 GMT -5
How much do those vehicles cost?
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