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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 18, 2014 20:35:21 GMT -5
Hey, I'm considering doing some more gun modifications, 1903's are very expensive and they aren't a great main battle rifle. Now, if anyone wants it, I'd be willing to marry a Dboys and a BAR-10 (or VSR) and it would only cost me about $250-$300 per rifle. Anyone interested?
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Post by ssgjoe on Mar 18, 2014 20:57:07 GMT -5
Yeah I'd be, but this'll have to be later as I'm playing squad leader role right now.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 18, 2014 21:41:50 GMT -5
Scott did a fabulous job on his 1903 which I got to see in person at the Battle of Bulge. Truly one of the nicest I've ever seen. I am confident he would do an outstanding job on aDboys/ Bar 10 marriage.
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 19, 2014 14:33:47 GMT -5
Well, I'l tell you what. I'll make one, and we'll see where that goes. The nice thing about this is I get a profit of about $50 and with that I can get and convert a CYMA m1 carbine for more rental guns!
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Post by insterburger on Mar 19, 2014 15:22:31 GMT -5
Scott, if your k98's turn out anything like your '03, $250-300 per rifle would be a steal. If you can produce them in that price range, I can guarantee you that we will refer members of our group to you. We want as many men as possible to field Mausers, and your price point is very doable.
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 20, 2014 15:25:05 GMT -5
Well, I just ordered today! I have to mention that reading Jerry's post about the trigger box breaking was a bit worrying. What I'd do if I were to go about selling these is just make them $300 and it will come with an upgraded sear set.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 23, 2014 18:46:15 GMT -5
I too would be willing to make kar98s for people, but it would be a learning experience for me. Sorry for thread-jacking this, Scott.
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 23, 2014 21:21:44 GMT -5
Alright, It's nice to have multiple builders but still it would probably be better if one person actually built a purchasable rifle first I remember John told me a long time ago when I was still in the planning of making my 1903, he told me that you need to tell people what you have done, not what you are planning on doing. I broke that a little here just to see if the interest was there but other than that I'm not really saying anything is going to happen. Shifty, I'd recommend you stay with your M1 Garand seeing as it's still not exactly finished. Make sure that's done first then you can start making guns for others. You also want to make a gun for yourself first seeing as you tend to make a lot of mistakes. My 1903 looks alright, but if you nitpick at it then you start seeing all the little mistakes like the missing magazine guide, the wavy mag well and the hot glued barrel! So make a rifle for yourself then see if you'd be willing to sell. I know I'd NEVER sell my 1903 because that thing is my baby, and that might be the way it goes with your first gun and if you already have a buyer funding it you have no wiggle room really... In other new, my guns should be arriving in 4 day
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 23, 2014 22:04:32 GMT -5
Sage advice for others Scott. most folks who set out to do such things quickly discover how expensive and time consuming these projects are and quickly find they aren't charging enough to break even or make it worthwhile. There is a huge void for these weapons and so long as people know what they are buying and have patience and builders live up to their commitments everyone wins. (especially our hobby). I highly recommend any buyers carefully inspect pictures of past efforts as (no offense) but a first time builder is all dreams and big talk.
Scott did a gorgeous job on his M1903 and the fact that he is mindful of what I see as imperceptible shortcomings is very encouraging that he would do a fine job. Brownien also does great work and Jerry ADK is taking on a project. With his craftsmanship I expect his end results will be fabulous. eventually if sales support it the best way to make these worthwhile is to build about six at a time. The economy of scale really helps to reduce costs and seeing a bunch in one place creates confidence in the buyers that you are viable.
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 24, 2014 15:16:36 GMT -5
Thanks John, I agree with you about how we need as many builders as possible. That even creates a small industry if we start competing with prices! Haha By the way, If I go about selling the K98s (Which in all honesty I will probably be doing as I have no real use for them myself) I'll have it so the customer can choose how much he/she wants to pay as long as it hits the minimum of $260. Most likely all proceeds from this are going toward rental guns and uniforms for the group but if I do decide to actually start a mini business out of it I'd just fix the price at $260
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Post by insterburger on Mar 25, 2014 18:55:18 GMT -5
I honestly think you're undercharging at $260-- and my unit is one that will definitely be coming to you for these! My advice would be to finish one (or a few in a batch) and decide on the price point at that time. For a really nice Bar98, $350 is a completely fair price, and $300 is a bargain. But you can't really decide what your time is worth on the build until you know how much time you're putting into it.
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 25, 2014 21:21:20 GMT -5
Well, my main selling pitch is that I want these to be cheap but still good quality. What mostly inspired me to do this was the lack of most any german bolt actions at the NY game in January
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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 27, 2014 16:15:29 GMT -5
Well, I got my 2 guns in the mail today. I highly recommend the VSR-10 from now on. Much smaller receiver so much less work I'll probably have to do. I also realized how much a piece of crap the Dboys was because when I tried to flick the safety on, it broke... ah well, that's why I'm doing this mod
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 27, 2014 17:03:53 GMT -5
That's my experience also with trying to put an M24 Snow Wolf into the Dboys stock. The M24 is enough larger that I'm having to remove a lot of plastic. The VSR10 is definitely more practical from that aspect.
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Post by ScottCollins on Apr 1, 2014 19:04:27 GMT -5
So I got the gun a few days back and haven't really found the time to analyze it and so today I did. I noticed at the very start that the VSR's bolt is a much smaller circumference than the BAR's. So I got an idea. I can probably fit the VSR bolt right into the dboys and weld the floorplate on. Progress as of 4:00 today: imgur.com/a/9FY2r
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 1, 2014 20:23:32 GMT -5
Very nice! keep us posted!
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Post by ScottCollins on Apr 5, 2014 16:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by ScottCollins on Apr 14, 2014 20:06:18 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 14, 2014 20:15:53 GMT -5
Whenever possible tape off your cut lines both on wood, metal and plastic as it makes a better guide and protects the surfaces you want to maintain. Thanks for giving us the updates.
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Post by ScottCollins on Apr 14, 2014 20:23:36 GMT -5
Thank you for the tip, I'll use it when I finish the inner stock and mag well!
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Post by insterburger on Apr 16, 2014 8:41:55 GMT -5
Wow, I really had my doubts that these two guns could be mated in the way you're doing it, but it looks like you're making it happen!
I'm not aware of anyone else doing the exact conversion you are, make sure you post detailed instructions once you've made it through the first build!
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Post by ScottCollins on Apr 16, 2014 16:14:50 GMT -5
I seem to be doing it the hardest way possible... But, It will look exactly like the Dboys just... not a Dboys
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Post by doldek on May 17, 2014 6:13:46 GMT -5
Any updates on this?
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Post by ScottCollins on May 17, 2014 11:35:56 GMT -5
Nah, sorry. School's been throwing me for a loop and like most of you would agree, school is more important than any project...
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Post by ScottCollins on May 20, 2014 15:39:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the exact measurement on the kar98 barrel is from the upper band?
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on May 20, 2014 15:48:30 GMT -5
From where the wood ends (approx. 1/4 inch in front of the band) it is 25 1/4 CM to the end of the barrel on my byf42.
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Post by ScottCollins on May 21, 2014 8:29:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jerry-ADK on May 21, 2014 13:05:56 GMT -5
So, is that the Dboys receiver you modified in the picture? I Was wondering how that works, mating the VSR trigger to the Dboys reciever. I have a extra Dboys receiver for parts, and I thought I might give this approach a try if it can be made to work reliably. If that approach can work, that would be very cool. Let us know.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 21, 2014 13:12:04 GMT -5
Wow. really looking nice.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on May 21, 2014 15:02:58 GMT -5
A couple of pics from my project, nearly done! Just got to cut the may well and paint metal and stain stock.
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