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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 20, 2014 20:00:43 GMT -5
I know it's a long shot, but I think it's worth a go. I mean, what's there to lose? I was thinking we should all band together, every single one of us, and petition an airsoft manufacturer, and request a non shell ejecting spring kar98. I originally posted Ares, but wilhelmoa suggested we decide on one first. I guess we should do that.
As I said, it might not go anywhere. But if it does, we will be glad we decided to petition. I mean, as I said before, you aren't going to lose anything in doing so.
Here's what I wrote:
To whom this may concern:
My name is Joseph, and I have a request for an airsoft rifle that the company (insert company name here) could produce. I would like to request a spring Non-Shell ejecting Kar98 airsoft rifle.
There are no affordable spring non shell ejecting kar98s on the market and it is one of the most sought after rifles in the WWII airsoft community. All affordable kar98 rifles eject shells; this is a feature that is a hassle and renders the gun unusable during a game. The only way to make it usable requires heavy modification and the internals of another rifle.
I believe, along with many other airsofters, that an affordable kar98 would have great market and many people would buy it. If you could please take into consideration this build, that would be great. Thank you! Sincerely, Joseph Winmill
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Post by wilhelmmoa on Apr 20, 2014 22:00:49 GMT -5
We should decide on a company first then do it, I'm all in as long as I'm not the only one!
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 20, 2014 22:19:40 GMT -5
I guess. Yeah...I guess we could pick a company that already does shell ejecting Kar98s, then they just change up the internals, and it's cheaper for them.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 20, 2014 23:04:02 GMT -5
The other thought is someone who makes an acceptable performing spring powered bolt action rifle the BAR 10 from Jing Gong. Even if it ended up half again more expensive then their BAR 10 (which seem to go for around $125.00) a $175 to 200.00 fully functional Kar 98 would do well. better yet have the company (UK Arms/ Cyma that makes the springer carbine do a Kar 98 Comparably it would end up under $100.00 and it would really sell well.
My upgraded CYMA carbine with the tightbore and stronger spring continues to hold up and it shoots very very well. A true bolt action would be easier to work then the charging handle on this carbine and would be more natural of an action.
Cosmetically if it was on parr with these inexpensive carbines it would be fine.
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 20, 2014 23:40:26 GMT -5
But the problem I've run into with these Chinese companies (DBOYs, JG, AGM etc.) is that I don't know how to contact them. That's the main problem and why I chose Ares. But I guess it wouldn't hurt to shoot emails to multiple manufacturers.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 21, 2014 18:17:35 GMT -5
I would say send requests to any addresses you can track down. Part of the challenge is, production of airsoft replicas is actually illegal in mainland China so most of the companies are actually shell companies that really just market or distribute what others produce. in many case there is sharing or rebranding of many of the same parts or complete products and it is sadly common that a new product will come close to being offered and then the production facility is raided and the molds, stampings and inventory destroyed, sold off or confiscated. That's is one reason so many of the rumored offerings never materialize.
It is frustrating but it is one of the reasons these companies aren't set up to receive suggestions or comments. That and the rather huge language barrier.
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 21, 2014 19:11:36 GMT -5
So somethin' more Murikan like Ares. (I believe they're American).
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Post by stuka on Apr 21, 2014 19:39:49 GMT -5
So somethin' more Murikan like Ares. (I believe they're American). Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk lol nope i actually don't know of any american airsoft companies
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Post by shiftysgarand on Apr 21, 2014 20:05:22 GMT -5
Besides, Ares makes guns out of compressed cat litter.. I would say go Marui. If they do, then we get ACM clones. If not, we get a springer that is reasonably priced and upgrade able.
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 21, 2014 21:22:16 GMT -5
Marui? I'll look up contact for them. We could talk to ICS too. They made a Garand, they might make a kar98.
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Post by stuka on Apr 21, 2014 23:02:18 GMT -5
The problem with marui is that it will be anything but cheap. ICS somehow derped on the dimensions of the M1 and as a result no bayonet afixing.
We could just start our own company and say screw it lol =P
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 21, 2014 23:30:06 GMT -5
I'm down! Apparently from some other people who tried this before, Ares was one of the companies that was more interested in a kar98 build.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 21, 2014 23:43:54 GMT -5
Anything from Japan would be expensive and limited by Japanese law to an FPS that I'm afraid wouldn't be adequate for a bolt action rifle which needs to be over 400 FPS in my opinion. Any Us production is going to be garage efforts. (which are limited production and need to be priced at an amount that makes the time, effort and risk worthwhile).
Taiwan and a company like Ares, Matrix ICS or Redfire deciding its worth taking the leap. Design, tooling and initial prototype production is incredibly expensive so unless volume sales are assured few companies are willing to take the risk.
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Post by stuka on Apr 22, 2014 9:58:19 GMT -5
King arms has made a kar98 i just haven't heard anything about it
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 22, 2014 10:27:33 GMT -5
I guess we could try to convince them to make a WWII version and a tactical railed version (ugly as that would be) to peak the attention of modern airsofters too.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Apr 22, 2014 16:38:38 GMT -5
King arms has made a kar98 i just haven't heard anything about it The King Arms is gas.
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Post by stuka on Apr 22, 2014 20:24:31 GMT -5
true but i didn't her anybody complain about the redfire except the lack of mags and well now products
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 22, 2014 23:00:15 GMT -5
Tanaka mags are compatible with red fire. But I'd just use a speed loader since mags are so expensive.
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Post by ssgjoe on Apr 24, 2014 10:09:02 GMT -5
Actually it was ICS, not Ares that was most I retested in building a Kar98. Since they already made a garand, they might be more willing/interested to build a kar98.
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Post by slick63 on Jul 17, 2014 14:33:10 GMT -5
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jul 17, 2014 14:49:10 GMT -5
I would be game for a spring Kar98.Surely there's a way to make an affordable model.I would definitely sign a petition for it.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jul 17, 2014 14:49:49 GMT -5
Yes, there are a few k98 gas guns out there. G & G, Redfire, Tanaka. They all make one that is of decent quality, Tanaka being the most expensive, Redfire the most affordable. What we want is a K98 Springer which works like a VSR 10 and can take VSR upgrades. Gas just doesn't cut it in the cold of much of the country in the winter. Hence the reason for wanting a company to manufacture a spring version of the gun, which can hold up to the cold and cost less than a gas gun. Its probably not going to happen anytime soon apparently so I will be happy with making Bar98 conversions. this is the one I just finished
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jul 17, 2014 15:04:41 GMT -5
K, I didnt see that that was a Tanaka Springer until I watched the video. Its very anemic at only 90 fps. I wouldnt pay almost $800 for it though, too much dough! We were thinking of something in the $200-$400 range. My custom springer is heavily upgraded and shoots about 480fps if not more. For a springer bolt action rifle we got to have at least 400fps so we can out range the Thomsons and BARs so there is some advantage. Id like to look more into this Tanaka and see if it takes upgrades. still is too expensive for most of us. Also, its sold out, along with almost all the rest of thier stuff at that website. Im not sure how reliable it would be trying to order from there. and who knows if it will ever be restocked. But cool that it exists, even if its way out of my price range. But like you say, maybe some of the Chinasoft companies can get the hint. They probably wouldnt make it so weak or charge as much, one can only hope, right?
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Post by luftwelle93 on Jul 17, 2014 15:14:07 GMT -5
90 fps,forget that lol.390 is as low as I can go for a rifle like that.Jerry,that is a nice rifle you got,I don't have nearly the skills to do that
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 17, 2014 15:45:07 GMT -5
The manufacturers will not invest the tooling design, development, r&d and production capability until they are confident there is sufficient interest to support it. Even a couple hundred passionate letters would have little influence I suspect. The continued production and sales of the customs produced by our members are noticed and hopefully will indicate that indeed their is sufficient iterest in a springer bolt action. Especially if available at a low enough purchase price that most of us would want them as a supplement to our armories.
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Post by slick63 on Jul 18, 2014 12:33:37 GMT -5
90 fps,forget that lol.390 is as low as I can go for a rifle like that. The chrono is reading metres per second, 90 m/s is about 300 fps. The reason it`s that low is because the rifle is built to comply with the Japanese airsoft rules on power.
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Post by insterburger on Jul 18, 2014 16:34:33 GMT -5
I imagine someone with the right know-how could upgrade the spring... Although whether the other parts could handle more power would remain to be seen, and possibly expensively so.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 18, 2014 20:07:00 GMT -5
Typically the japanese guns (more so then other builders ) tend to use quality materials able withstand the greater forces of upgraded springs. the Marui VSR being a great example. The pitty is one shouldn't have to. I built a custom springfield using the Marui VSr as a base and upgraded it to wonderful performance but the costs required never made it feasible to sell for even 2/3rds of the build cost. (let alone recover the labor). I did upgrade the trigger box and with the stronger spring the cocking effort was frankly impractical for skirmishing. I couldn't cock it from the shoulder which is a standard i go by. Typically that leaves a ceiling of around 460-500 fps.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Jul 18, 2014 20:42:41 GMT -5
I did find this available at Redwolf airsoft.com G33 mountain troop spring rifle by Tanaka. It's a bit lower in both price and fps. But if upgradable to a better spring and tight bore, it might make a very skirmishable gun. I actually spent nearly the cost of this one upgrading the BAR98 I built. If the quality is like the Gas Tanaka it could be a good gun. I looked for the full sized one, but no where is it to be found right now. Still, I am only dreaming, can't afford anymore guns right now, especially expensive ones. But thanks Slick63 for shedding the light on ths one. May be more like it will show up now.
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Post by huxy on Jul 20, 2014 7:52:33 GMT -5
What about PPS? They just released a Tanaka-clone which works perfectly and has variable FPS - you can even get Co2 mags for it for winter use.
As they already has the body and has great customer service, how about contacting them about this?
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