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Post by volkssturm on May 26, 2014 23:55:16 GMT -5
Well, about 45 minutes into this and I have to say History Channel should be embarrassed. The general outline is OK, but it's like taking a serious history and converting it to a comic book.
And the visuals. They've got a guy supposedly representing Patton in Mexico drawing a bead on some fleeing Villistas. With a freaking Enfield No. 1 Mk III. After the failure of Gallipoli Churchill "enlists" in the British Army. (He didn't enlist. He held the king's commission from graduating from Sandhurst. He was effectively a reservist at that point.) And in one scene in the trenches a man falls. Churchill picks up his rifle and starts shooting. With a Springfield. Just before that a Brit on the firing line is seen changing the magazine in his Enfield. Aiiiiiiieeeeeee!!!!!! Too much stoopidity!
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Post by volkssturm on May 27, 2014 0:09:23 GMT -5
And it gets worse. Patton's tank brigade (in WWI) driving M3 light tanks. And Germans shooting Enfields.
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Post by luftwelle93 on May 27, 2014 0:32:53 GMT -5
And it gets worse. Patton's tank brigade (in WWI) driving M3 light tanks. And Germans shooting Enfields. WHAT!!!The History Channel has its head so far up in it rear of shows like Swamp People, Ice Road Truckers,and conspiracy/alien crap that they seem to be screwing actual history up in the process!I wanted to watch it for the WWI bits but what you have posted volkssturm it seems its not worth my time
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Post by soldatjakob on May 29, 2014 20:43:19 GMT -5
There were Germans with lever action rifles....im not even sure what to think, but it aint good.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 29, 2014 21:01:17 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. Patton did Not attack the bandit command group with a model mounting an m1917 machine gun but instead pulled up in his model Ts, rousted them from a farm house and dropped them off their horses with his revolver. It is obvious the production company bought a lot of Denix SMLEs and saw no problem with Germans, US Marines in the Pacific, or Japanese soldiers using them.
Any historical value in the stories told about the key leaders of WW2 being influenced by WW1 is lost in the telling which is too bad as the concept is a good one. The poor execution is a real shame. i was really looking forward to this series but just couldn't handle the flaggrant infidelities in equipment and facts.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 31, 2014 23:28:43 GMT -5
After enduring most of the sgments the list of infidelities to weapons and equipment just gets worse and worse although many film segments are obviously borrowed from numerous sources and some are quite good. The gear and equipment is the cross we bear as our knowledge about the minutia ruins our enjoyment of most historical depictions. In this case i tried desperately to ignore it all and learn what i could and hopefully gleen some new insight. Unfortunately the program was just as loose with many of the facts and scenes as their anachronistic weaponry so when I did see something fresh i had reasons to view it with a jaundiced eye.
Like watching FOX and then MSNBC covering the same story and wondering which had the more accurate coverage while knowing that both are tainted with an agenda and therfore dubious at best. The HISTORY Channel I am afraid has become the MYSTERY Channel. When did BIGFOOT. UFOs and alternative backwoods lifestyles become history? They finally do a program on history and screw it up.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jun 1, 2014 0:23:51 GMT -5
They mixed all the details up! Americans running around with british gear and weapons or Brits carrying m1903s. Smh...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 1, 2014 19:51:14 GMT -5
Most American soldiers in WW1 carried British Enfields as there was a shortage of M1903s. in fact, the famous SGT York was armed with an Enfield. (though not the SMLE) when he earned the Medal of Honor. Obviously a hodge podge of film segments were utilized as the clips range from very very good to horrible. We all have watched enough war movies that we probably recognize many of the clips. Valyrie clips were often used as they flash foward to WW2 German depictions. The worst culprits are the clips apparently shot for this production.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 2, 2014 12:14:26 GMT -5
Just to be nitpicky, the Model 1917 Enfield was "British" in the sense that it was designed by the Brits. It was manufactured by American companies. And a darned good thing we were tooled up to make them when we entered the war. Who knows what we would have done without that manufacturing capacity. Used Remington made Mosin-Nagants? (Which we did for training and for the intervention in Vladivostok).
Some American troops actually were armed, temporarily, with the No. 1 Mk. III Enfield when they were sent to back up the British during the German Spring Offensive. some apparently kept them for a while. There's picture in Nick Lloyd's "Hundred Days" identified as troops of the 106th Infantry Regiment of the 27th US Division in October 1918 clearly carrying No. 1's. The caption also says they were on the Somme, so it makes sense.
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