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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 15, 2014 14:18:34 GMT -5
Schlacht im Huertgenwald- Nov. 15 & 16, 2014
So as many of you know, its been a while since there's been a dedicated ww2aa event in the Northeast. Well, no more waiting, here it is. The battle of the Huertgen Forest was fought on the German-Belgian border from September to December 1944, making it the longest battle of WW2. The battle resulted in over 50,000 casualties.
This will be held on November 15&16, at the usual field I host at here in NJ, for those familiar. For those not, here is the address to my house, where we'll meet, as usual.
584 Valley Rd, Gillette, NJ, 07933.
It will take place both Saturday AND Sunday, we will sleep at my house. Battles begin at 11:00 Saturday, and end on Sunday at 2:00.
As usual, there will be NO COSTS! This is totally free, no registration, etc!
Authenticity will be relatively all participants must have 80% WW2 kit on- so small things like boots, etc., don't need to be perfect, but THE BASIC UNIFORM AND GUN MUST BE OF THE WW2 ERA AND THE IMPRESSION BEING PORTRAYED! For those who can't meet the standards, contact me for loaner gear!!!
As for the exact scenario, it will be a continuous battle, with minimal breaks. We will have food for lunch, as well as dinner at my house.
More information will be posted here as I finalize the exact scenarios, etc.
Hope to see many of the old timers as well as some new faces!
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Post by SfcMigs on Oct 15, 2014 16:57:05 GMT -5
Great Job!
Glad to hear of another event at your field. I'll be there with at least my two boys and hopefully some others as well.
I'll post my impressions and weapons once I firm up my roster so you can get an idea of what you have attending.
Well Done,
Migs
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 15, 2014 17:05:43 GMT -5
Thanks! Glad to have ya coming!
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Post by Schwerpunkt on Oct 15, 2014 17:55:48 GMT -5
I'm going to put myself down as a possible for now but will try like hell to make this.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 15, 2014 18:31:22 GMT -5
Awesome! Glad to see people taking interest!
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Post by brownien on Oct 15, 2014 20:02:38 GMT -5
I'll have to see whats going on for me that weekend, but I should be able to attend
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Post by insterburger on Oct 15, 2014 20:29:57 GMT -5
Not to put a damper on this event, but people should be VERY cautious about bringing airsoft guns into the state of New Jersey. NJ has some of the most draconian anti-gun laws in the union, and people have actually been convicted of felonies-- not charged, mind you, but CONVICTED and sentenced to jail time-- for possessing airsoft guns-- on private property, no less.
At a minimum, it is a very bad idea to bring an airsoft pistol to NJ. If you are found with one in your possession that is not registered as a handgun in NJ, you could be convicted of a felony and face prison. The laws regarding airsoft long guns are not as clear cut, but I do know some people have run afoul of the law over simply possessing them, and moreso over using them, even on private property. On the other hand, I'm aware that there is an active modern airsoft community in NJ and several commercial airsoft fields that are apparently operating without undue harassment from law enforcement. Either way, I would advise anyone who plans on attending this event to research the laws concerning firearms in NJ very, very well BEFORE attending and be 100% clear on what is or is not legal, especially during transport to and from the event. Having someone's routine traffic stop in a hostile jurisdiction turn into a felony arrest would not only be tragic and personally devastating for the parties involved, it could prove catastrophic for the hobby in the Northeast.
That said, I'm hoping this event can happen and will happen. Issah has hosted several other events in the past without incident, the field is great (though not privately owned, that too could be legally problematic) and everything he has organized has been awesome. This whole autumn is indescribably busy for me and as of right now that date looks bad for me, but pending being able to put my mind at ease about the legalities I would love to be there and am already working at trying to clear those days.
Again, I'm not saying any of this to pour cold water over the proceedings or put the kabosh on the event, but from a concern for my friends in this hobby (Graham included) and an awareness that operating from a place of caution and legal certainty is the best thing for all of us. Forewarned is forearmed, and knowing the law is on your side BEFORE a cop gives you a hard time beats finding out after the fact that it's not.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 15, 2014 20:43:55 GMT -5
Honestly, if theres a state to fear, its NY, not NJ. So, you should also issue that warning to the NY events, if not moreso to them.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 15, 2014 21:23:01 GMT -5
NY and CT both have awful firearms laws, nearly as bad as NJ's, but neither has anything like the Graves Act. Not only airsoft and BB guns, but things like Civil War-style cap-and-ball revolvers are considered completely equal to full-on firearms in NJ under most conditions, which is unique among state laws. Virginia considers BB or airsoft guns as firearms ONLY when used in the commission of a felony, in NJ it's all the time. Which means an airsoft Luger is an unregistered handgun under NJ state law. Crazy, but true.
Again, not trying to get into an argument here or be negative, just suggesting we have our ducks in a row when transporting airsoft guns-- no matter what state we're in. And NJ's laws concerning airsoft and BB guns are particularly draconian and confusing. I'm not aware of anyone being charged with a felony for the mere possession of an airsoft gun in New York State (at least outside NYC, which is a police state unto itself). In NJ, it has happened. I agree with you, people need to know the law no matter where they travel with airsoft guns, including New York State, Connecticut, and the rest. But NJ does deserve special precaution because of the exceptionally stupid laws.
That said, it's precaution, not "don't ever go to Jersey." People need to know the law, and know their rights. Being able to tell Trooper Joe exactly what the state statutes say, and where, beats letting him tell you what the law is in his own uninformed opinion. Having something in writing in the car with you is even better. Letting him know that not only are you fully aware of what is and isn't legal, but that you've made every effort to be 100% sure you're within the law, helps make sure a pullover doesn't turn into an overnight at Passaic County Jail.
As I said, "forewarned is forearmed."
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 16, 2014 8:45:07 GMT -5
Is there not a better place to discuss tjis rather than an an event thread? If you dont want to attend because you dont want to deal with the 1% possibility of getting in some form of trouble (which ive NEVER heard happen), then so be it. But there is no need to post it in an event thread.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2014 12:58:22 GMT -5
i think cautionary input is always worthwhile and do like the idea of having a printed copy of a juristictions laws as law enforcement often times are confused as to what their own laws are. It sounds from reading this thread the heads up about perhaps leaving pistols at home might have merit (I would personally be comfortable with taking the risk however)
Every state has the potential for legal hassle which are exacerbated by increasingly wreckless behavior or flaggrant stupidity. even knowing what laws are on the books knowing how responsible our community is, how graham conducts his events I would not hesitate to participate. from a practical, real world perspective.
unfortunately we remain a hobby on the fringe with a feint legal voice. interbergers input is sincere and appreciated but not weighted against reality and not a concern in my opinion.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 16, 2014 13:56:55 GMT -5
The team who owns/has uses this field uses it basically every other weekend and has been for years. Never any problems.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 16, 2014 15:33:22 GMT -5
I should add: I HAVE PLAYED IN NJ MYSELF AND INTEND TO BE AT THIS EVENT. (Sorry for the "shouting," just want to be clear.) My previous posts apparently came off as fear-mongering, that's not what I was trying to get at, and apologize profusely. I stated it above, so did Graham but it bears re-stating: Plenty of people-- hundreds of people-- play airsoft every weekend in the state of NJ without incident or issues. There are commercial airsoft fields that operate legally and openly. AIRSOFT IS LEGAL IN NJ. My only point was to know exactly what your rights are so that some rogue cop doesn't intimidate you and arrest you, which has happened because of their confusing laws. The more you know the better you can advocate for yourself and protect your rights.
Once again, I'm trying desperately to clear out that weekend and be at this game, as Graham's field is incredibly close to me, he always throws a great game, and the price could not possibly be better! Again, I am hoping to be there. I should note that I work in a career where a felony would be the end of my profession-- not a setback, but a complete and total destruction of my career-- and I'm not AT ALL afraid to go play in NJ... but I will be leaving my pistols at home, and will be 100% conversant in the NJ statutes about airsoft guns BEFORE I leave. That's all I was trying to communicate, and all I would advise to the members here.
Oh, and I'll also NOT be driving through NYC to get there-- that is a place where people actually SHOULD be afraid to even have possession of an airsoft gun of any type at all. Their laws and police are totally out of control.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2014 15:36:24 GMT -5
Nice to see the clarity!
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Post by stuka on Oct 16, 2014 17:33:56 GMT -5
just be sure to cover your guns if you can't put them in a closed trunk
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2014 18:22:25 GMT -5
Always a good tip as the real challenge typically starts with airsoft guns ether deliberately or casually brandished or seen by an uninvolved private citizen who understandably gets freaked out. This is remedied by mature actions, playing in an approved area where these activities are often observed and a real helpful tip is signage explaining what is going on.
I like SCHOOL HISTORY PROJECT or HISTORICAL REENACTMENT in progress. Too few people know what airsoft is so I avoid that.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 16, 2014 18:29:54 GMT -5
Always a good tip as the real challenge typically starts with airsoft guns ether deliberately or casually brandished or seen by an uninvolved private citizen who understandably gets freaked out. This is remedied by mature actions, playing in an approved area where these activities are often observed and a real helpful tip is signage explaining what is going on. I like SCHOOL HISTORY PROJECT or HISTORICAL REENACTMENT in progress. Too few people know what airsoft is so I avoid that. . I recently provided gear, weapons and uniforms for a local group and upon arrival felt their property (especially where the cars had to be parked and unloaded) was a bit too public. Sandwich board signs would have been a nice touch. Because this group holds battles there regularly neighbors all seemed to know about it. They also always inform the county sheriff and local fire department about what is going on. early afternoon two cops showed up and made an appearance I think mostly to scope things out. Their relaxed and cordial demeanor was much appreciated and assured me they were aware of it and cool. i think truthfully they wanted to play! Their weapons however would definitely not pass chrono!
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Post by Dracul on Oct 16, 2014 19:43:41 GMT -5
Going to see if that weekend is free for me and the Wife. NJ is much, much closer to us then upstate NY....
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Post by SfcMigs on Oct 16, 2014 20:23:09 GMT -5
Regarding all the chatter on this thread here about New Jersey gun laws etc. I feel the need to chime in. As a Licensed Private Investigator in NY, I am fully aware of the gun laws here in NY, which are probably the toughest in the Country (Especially New York City). From what I researched regarding NJ laws are the following: Carrying any Airsoft Hand gun, (Spring, or any Gas powered) is considered a non registered firearm and falls under NJ law: NJSA 2C:39-5B. Like Mark suggested, I would (and will) leave all my pistols home and take no chances. Anyone transporting their guns (including rifles and sub-machine guns) should do their do diligence and make sure they are in a gun case that is fastened and/or locked and to cover the case as well with a sheet or tarp. Keep your ammo and mags also in a fastened container and a considerable distance from your weapons. Also, when transporting your firearms from your vehicle to the field of play, you should follow the same practice. Keep them in your gun case and out of plain sight. Having said this, I will definitely be attending this event with my two sons and hopefully a couple of others. I don't think this should be a deterrent for anyone thinking about attending. Every event that has been at this field has been well run with lots of action. Graham and his Dad have always been nothing but the finest hosts and always make sure everyone has a great time. Just be careful and remember to NOT give the Police any reason to pull you over!! Air on the side caution. In case you want to reference the NJ laws, here's a site with some helpful info: www.oceancountycriminallawyers.com/practice-areas/ocean-county-weapons-and-gun-charges/ocean-county-weapons-charges-b-b-and-airsoft-guns/Happy trails, Migs
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Post by Dracul on Oct 17, 2014 8:03:23 GMT -5
Just to confirm all this legal chatter, most of this just has to do with Handguns, right? Obviously, I'm still going to be over the top safe with other rifles and such, but if its being strict on handguns, I can just leave them home. Service Rifle is most important anyways.
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Post by SfcMigs on Oct 17, 2014 11:24:27 GMT -5
Just to confirm all this legal chatter, most of this just has to do with Handguns, right? Obviously, I'm still going to be over the top safe with other rifles and such, but if its being strict on handguns, I can just leave them home. Service Rifle is most important anyways. Yes, that's correct. Hand guns are the biggest concern as they can be concealed. Regarding the rifles and machine guns, if you did like most and paint or remove the orange tip on the barrel, it wouldn't be a bad idea to undo that. But yes, biggest concern is the hand guns. Cheers, Migs
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Post by Dracul on Oct 17, 2014 11:33:16 GMT -5
Alright, cool. Thanks. I will let you guys know more if any one on my team can make it.
Legal talk aside, questions about guns. Due to the lack of WWII guns I own and what my other teammates have, is an unmodified bolt action alright? I'm going to try attempt that Jimmiroquai's SMLE Look-a-like conversion in time for it, but I can't really guarantee anything at this point.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 17, 2014 13:05:57 GMT -5
Dracul, what impression are you going to do for this game?
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Post by Dracul on Oct 17, 2014 13:34:46 GMT -5
We are going to be doing US for this, but my only two good, solid WWII guns are a Thompson and a springer Kar98.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 17, 2014 13:44:54 GMT -5
If you wouldn't mind, everyone, if you have spare gear or guns, please bring them if you can. We will have some people needing gear bits or guns, so it would be best to bring spares.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 17, 2014 15:26:41 GMT -5
If I can make it, I will have plenty of spare German guns and gear, that are entirely at the disposal of anyone who wants to use them. Depending on if I am able to bring anyone else myself, I would have at least five full impressions-- including weapons-- to loan out, possibly more.
Still working on clearing this weekend, and hoping for the best. November is a great time of year for airsoft, and Graham's field is a great one to play at!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 17, 2014 18:26:33 GMT -5
The generosity of others willingness to loan gear, weapons and uniforms is such a great reflection on the folks we have on this forum. Please take advantage of it if you need to. All of us want every participant to enjoy the best and most emmersive experience so it is not out of pure kindness that these offers are extended. We all want the look provided by decent impression to enhance OUR experiences as well so don't feel like a mooch if you need to borrow fill in items and don't refrain from coming because you don't feel properly set up to come.
Show up willing to participate and these wonderful folks will get you squared away.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 25, 2014 21:49:29 GMT -5
So far, who all is definitely coming?
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Post by Dracul on Oct 25, 2014 21:52:14 GMT -5
+2 US Soldiers for me and my wife. I'll let you know if anyone from my team will come or if we just can't make it.
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Post by SfcMigs on Oct 25, 2014 23:33:46 GMT -5
So far, who all is definitely coming? I will be there with my two boys and brother-in-law. All U.S. Working on one more, but for now, four. Migs
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