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Post by stuka on Nov 27, 2014 21:29:04 GMT -5
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Post by halfnelson on Nov 28, 2014 6:29:47 GMT -5
I'll be damned. Looks good! Always nice to see more (and cheaper) guns for us WW2 nuts. I'm also just assuming the "130 fps" is a typo, or else that's pretty bad lol!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 28, 2014 13:12:27 GMT -5
I would assume it is in meters per second, and somebody forgot to convert. 130 mps is ~420 fps, which is reasonable.
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Post by gunner79 on Nov 29, 2014 3:38:05 GMT -5
I will be interested in finding out the performance and quality of construction on the Apple '03, which I shall be equally happy to report on here - I just purchased same tonight from EHA!
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Post by gunner79 on Dec 5, 2014 19:42:37 GMT -5
Just received the Apple M1903. In a nutshell -looks nice and the wood furniture is indeed also nice.
But otherwise - the rifle is a total POS. Sorry - can't gild this pig - co2 magazine vents gas uncontrollably, bolt knocker is poorly made and barely works, and bolt body is very sticky. And, the magazine jammed in the well after it's third insertion.
Now maybe I got a lemon but God help anyone else who may buy this thing if that is not the case. Totally unacceptable quality IMHO. I've sent a complaint to EHA asking for authority to return for refund or store credit.
Very unhappy with this gun - which could of been a winner if not for it's really REALLY cheap construction..
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Post by stuka on Dec 5, 2014 20:56:40 GMT -5
that sucks, hope it is just a lemon
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Post by gunner79 on Dec 5, 2014 21:51:00 GMT -5
I dunno. Lemon possibility aside - honestly, the gun is just made out of cheap internal materials. Patterned after Tanaka models but Tanaka is Rolls Royce and this thing is a Yugo, comparatively speaking.
Even if it worked, the cheap materials just bode trouble down the road for the owner.
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Post by SfcMigs on Dec 5, 2014 23:34:21 GMT -5
I dunno. Lemon possibility aside - honestly, the gun is just made out of cheap internal materials. Patterned after Tanaka models but Tanaka is Rolls Royce and this thing is a Yugo, comparatively speaking. Even if it worked, the cheap materials just bode trouble down the road for the owner. Wow, that really sucks. I was hoping that this one would be worth it. Thanks for taking one for the team here. Hope yo get a refund. Good Luck
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 6, 2014 0:19:59 GMT -5
The pattern of disappointment on gas powered RIFLEs continues. What a shame. The home built "BAR 98s" remains the most fieldworthy bolt actions it would appear.
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Post by stuka on Dec 6, 2014 5:26:38 GMT -5
I mean, for guns that people have been able to make themselves into spring guns, you would think manufacturers would figure that stuff out. I mean it's like the stocks have to be enlarged if thats what they're worried about. Except for arisaka stocks but I don't expect a reasonably priced gas and especially spring one to come anytime soon but you got
K98's 1903's(All varients, why not) SMLE and all other lee enfield versions. Mosin Nagants
It's fairly frustrating that these aren't things being pursued. Heck, just have a plastic one at 150-200 would be something different from the various vsr10 models and l96's plus they could sell a scope for their rifles, adding to the reason for regular people to buy them for something different.
Now granted, I haven't made any of the vsr10/bar10 conversions but from the ones I have seen made, they appear to have same dimension stock just perhaps dremilled out a bit. Again, except for the arisaka but that was never finished to my knowledge
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Post by kiwi432 on Dec 6, 2014 10:02:22 GMT -5
I am surprised is this bad. I was very seriously considering buying one as the G&G one has also been fairly useless.
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Post by Dracul on Dec 6, 2014 11:50:47 GMT -5
Why does it seem that WWII gas guns in general have been getting the short end of the stick here? We all know gas guns have their weaknesses, but other brands like WE Tech and GHK make brilliant GBB rifles. But then, it seems like we can't even get a simple gas bolt action system that works well enough (sans the Tanaka's). The only SMLE on the market blows, I haven't heard anything amazing from the Mosins, and now this.
I know gas guns take more materials and a certain build quality to make, but if GBB rifles are selling for 300-400 bucks and work perfectly fine (even less these days), then how does these rifles, not just the 1903, warrant their price tag? Its definitely a more simple system, even if its complete wood, it shouldn't cost that much.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 6, 2014 14:13:11 GMT -5
It comes down to low volume sales and risk. the design and production costs are high. (Even when a gun is cloned). when you spread those costs against a small projected number of sales the item is just going to have to cost more. The fact that they suck...that, that is unexcuseable. Like you however I can't for the life of me figure out why they (the key manufacturers ) don't use their very good VSR internals and with minimal cosmetics make WW2 bolties. Many of us have demonstrated what the end result would look like. We've shown that the visual end results meet the expectations of most and they have proven to work quite well as skirmishers.
With a volume producer (JG, CYMA, UK Arms, King Arms etc) they could definitely be built and profitably sold in the under $200.00 range (faux wood) and at that would sell very very well. With 4oo to 500 FPS performance they would definitely be skirmishable and with the vintage looks they would turn heads and find volume demand. Accessories like scopes, cheek pads, real wood stocks, shoulder pads, spare magazines, carry cases, muzzle baffles and a whole bunch of other silliness and you got a niche!
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Post by stuka on Dec 6, 2014 17:42:47 GMT -5
whats wrong with the G&G 1903?
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Post by kiwi432 on Dec 6, 2014 20:25:11 GMT -5
Well generally the same problems my G&G k98 has. Leaky mags, parts wearing down fast. There was one other but I can't think of it off the top of my head
apparently G&G have released a newer version of there k98 that is supposed to be better but shall find out soon.
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Post by stuka on Dec 6, 2014 20:42:09 GMT -5
well yeah the newer version of the k98 came out a while ago. the bolt had an issue and they fixed that a few months before release
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Post by gunner79 on Dec 7, 2014 7:36:37 GMT -5
The real point here as far as my personal opinion is concerned is the fact that it's close to criminal that a company would release a product that is, in retrospect, basically unusable in it's intended role. The level of materials quality in this rifle is absolute crap. The company KNOWS this and still brings this bird to market with a slick marketing/packaging scheme and charges $300/400 (NOT including the overseas shipping). It's tantamount to 'fraud on the market' to lean on a legal term. It also continues a troublesome pattern of manufacturers who have utter contempt for the consumer (in this case the individual buyer and the airsoft community as a whole). Of course the avarice does not stop with the manufacturer - companies like EHA turn a blind eye and pocket their share so everyone on the manufacturing/retail side is happy except the poor schmuck who actually buys the POS.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 8, 2014 20:14:27 GMT -5
Don't hold back Gunner, let us know what you really think! Seriously thanks for sharing your insight. You probably have a more varied armory than anyone on this site and your observations (and warnings) are much appreciated
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Post by gunner79 on Dec 11, 2014 1:56:33 GMT -5
Thanks 2B
I appreciate your (and others) comment(s). The only leverage we, as a community, have is to call this kind of nonsense out when it rears it's ugly head.
OK - I feel better and hop off my little soap-box. Lighter of wallet but...better;)
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