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Post by luftwelle93 on Nov 29, 2014 18:21:32 GMT -5
In the future to go with a Japanese impression I want a U.S. basic Army impression to go (everyone does USMC ).I know what a typical Marine had but what of the U.S. Army regulars that fought in that theater too?What gear did they have and what uniforms?Is there any sites I can go to to look into further research? Thank you
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 29, 2014 18:51:59 GMT -5
The main difference would have been that the HBT uniform was the combat uniform. Sometimes it was dyed a darker green locally. (And there were about three times as many Army troops in the Pacific than Marines . Marines kinda forget that.)
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Post by luftwelle93 on Nov 29, 2014 19:03:47 GMT -5
Lol,I forget sometimes that the Army was in that theater (shame on me).Anyway yeah I figured they would have some sort of HBT.I'm not too familiar in what a basic US soldier had in combat so I need as much help as I can get
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Post by patrickl29th on Nov 29, 2014 23:24:41 GMT -5
Just HBT's, no camo helmet cover and rough out service shoes. You don't have to wear leggings because lots of soldiers ditched them.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Nov 29, 2014 23:34:48 GMT -5
Nice,sounds like I don't need to get a lot then :)How about pouches and what they normally have on their belt besides the canteen?
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Post by patrickl29th on Nov 29, 2014 23:43:31 GMT -5
Matters what gun.... M1 garand get a m1 cartridge belt ect... Basically all you need is the belt, first aid pouch and canteens. If you wanna add more realism to your impression get a sh*t ton of canteens and but them on your belt. Lots of soldiers picked up extra canteens on the battlefield.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Nov 29, 2014 23:48:09 GMT -5
Matters what gun.... M1 garand get a m1 cartridge belt ect... Basically all you need is the belt, first aid pouch and canteens. If you wanna add more realism to your impression get a sh*t ton of canteens and but them on your belt. Lots of soldiers picked up extra canteens on the battlefield. Cool,I didn't know that.In that case I'll probably get two.I think with my impression I will use a Garand,I like the Thompson but like the MP40 only so many had them.I think this will be easy to do and will be my first U.S. impression.I will probably start on summer.This winter I will start the IJA since there's lots to get down.Thanks guys!
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 29, 2014 23:53:52 GMT -5
It's frequent to see two canteens. There was also a jungle first aid kit. You see pics where they're wearing leggings, but trouser legs are outside the leggings. (As I recall from long ago, we unbloused our trousers when working around water because with them bloused air could get trapped and you could end up floating wrong side down. Same idea, I guess). There was also use of a camouflage uniform, called "frogskins" by some recon units, snipers, etc. olive-drab.com/od_medical_kits_ww2_ifak_jungle.phpSome pics of frogskin, aka duckhunter camou here 3gn.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=123&t=539375
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Post by luftwelle93 on Nov 30, 2014 0:02:25 GMT -5
Interesting stuff volkssturm!.I will find this very enjoyable project to do.I think the most expensive bit here is the helmet and Garand. EDIT:I actually do have OD M1938 leggings,I can use those under the trousers like Patrick said
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Post by stuka on Nov 30, 2014 1:18:05 GMT -5
Weren't most Army units used for cleanup, rear echoleon?
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 30, 2014 1:45:31 GMT -5
That's what the marines want you to think. There were sort of three wars going on in the Pacific. The US Navy/Marines vs. the Japanese, General MacArthur vs. the Japanese, and General MacArthur vs. Admiral Nimitz.
The Navy had jurisdiction over the South and Central Pacific, while MacArthur had jurisdiction over the Southwest Pacific (Australia, New Guinea, the Philippines). The SW Pacific was almost entirely an Army show, while in the South and Central Pacific the Marines formed the spearhead and Army troops came in to support them. Okinawa was a combined Army/Marine operation. There were only 5 or 6 Marine divisions formed during the war, while about 20 Army divisions went to the Pacific.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Dec 1, 2014 22:34:31 GMT -5
I don't think there is too many U.S. Army Pacific impressions going around (I could be wrong).Hopefully I will get it started over the summer.I'll just start off by just getting the basic combat gear that a soldier would actually use in the Pacific.I will get back gear later.Pretty much what this serviceman here has...
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Post by stuka on Dec 2, 2014 6:03:56 GMT -5
What it looks like from what I read, at least about guadalcanal(just did a presentation in college in my ija kit =P) is that the marines would establish a beach head then army would come for support.?Was it similar to that for the rest of the pacific or just early invasions?
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 2, 2014 18:20:44 GMT -5
That was the great dispute between the Army and Navy during the war. The Navy wanted to concentrate on their advance through the central Pacific, which was approximately what their pre-war plan called for, with the Marines seizing islands and the Army garrisoning them. MacArthur wanted to retake the Philipines by advancing north from Australia. So the Army and Navy were always fighting over resources. In the Solomons the Marines established the beachheads and later the Army came in and took over to finish them off. The Army did more of the heavy lifting as troop levels built up. The island hopping campaign then was largely a Marine affair, because the objectives were comparatively small and they didn't need that much assistance. In New Guinea MacArthur conducted his own series of amphibious landings with Army troops, bypassing Japanese strongpoints and starving them out, in what was probably the most brilliant part of his career. The Philippines was largely an Army operation. Okinawa was a combined Army/Marine operation.
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Post by Relish on Dec 3, 2014 22:03:16 GMT -5
Wasn't Merrill's Marauders all Army guys?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 3, 2014 22:33:38 GMT -5
Yes. The precursor in many ways to the Green Berets. In addition to the HBT Od two piece uniform another one to consider for early was in the Pacific would be Khakis and the original tin pot helmet. Wake island, corrigador initial phillipines defense etc.
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 3, 2014 22:37:09 GMT -5
Merrill's Marauders, or the 5307th Composite Unit (Provisional) was in the China-Burma-India Theater (or CBI), under General Stillwell. It was all volunteer Army guys. There's a story tat during a lull in one battle with the Japanese someone shouted out "Where the hell's the other 5306 composite units?"
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2014 1:54:26 GMT -5
Their most famous mission was a deep penetration with marginal supplies that was extremely successful but at great cost to the unit. The terrain and conditions were extremely challenging and they operated badly outnumbered with little of the support US Army units in WW2 typically could count on. It was very much an Infantry Mission. Their unit crest is very similar to the crest adopted by the 75th Infantry Regiment. (Contemporary US Army Rangers)
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Post by patrickl29th on Dec 4, 2014 15:27:04 GMT -5
But may I ask, why a Pacific impression? Unless you live on the west cost there's no pacific events...
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Post by stuka on Dec 4, 2014 16:21:03 GMT -5
since it's army, it should be essentially interchangeable from PTO to ETO and sometimes it's fun to have an off kit.
I have an IJA kit and there aren't any PTO specific games on the east coast
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Post by luftwelle93 on Dec 4, 2014 18:18:28 GMT -5
Yea unfortunetly there doesn't seem to be any strong Pacific oriented events in the mid-west.I was thinking of traveling to California for such events in the future.I think Pacific theater is a new change for me as before I never thought to do such impressions.Having U.S. and IJA impressions would be a nice balance in my collection.It also gives me an excuse to get me a airsoft Garand
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Post by stuka on Dec 4, 2014 19:59:59 GMT -5
thats a good distance for an airsoft game haha
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Post by luftwelle93 on Dec 4, 2014 20:21:20 GMT -5
Lol,maybe once in a while :DI also have two other impressions to complete (Heer and Finnish) but hopefully I'll get them complete by summer.
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Post by stuka on Dec 4, 2014 20:31:50 GMT -5
I'd do KMT but I'd have nobody to shoot. At least at the last ww2 game I went to, I could shoot the Americans. Chinese only shot the Japanese haha. Hoping to do heer and maybe usmc soon as well
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Post by luftwelle93 on Dec 4, 2014 21:10:09 GMT -5
I was wanting to do KMT too.I'd rather do IJA first since there is a lot of stuff to get.The downside of IJA is the small number of airsoft guns to get.
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Post by stuka on Dec 5, 2014 0:25:31 GMT -5
well what I was thinking was getting a kar98 or a 1903. Germany shipped some kar98's in Japanese caliber( i never knew what happened to them) and I could use that for a KMT kit and or German heer that I want to do. I could also use 1903 for USMC and such
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Post by luftwelle93 on Dec 5, 2014 0:28:20 GMT -5
Nice!You probably know already that they also wore M35 helmets.I think you can find KMT decals for it.I'm trying to figure out what were their personal items and daily rations.
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Post by stuka on Dec 5, 2014 0:31:32 GMT -5
Well I haven't find decals to go specifically for the helmets but I think I read that they put the hat decals on the helmets which I have found.
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 5, 2014 2:04:25 GMT -5
For the KMT what you really need is a Hanyang 88. It was a Chinese produced copy of the German Commission Model 1888 rifle. Don't hold your breath waiting for an Airsoft version LOL. By all accounts it was a reliable weapon that gave good service. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyang_88
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Post by stuka on Dec 5, 2014 2:30:05 GMT -5
Well the KMT also did purchase rifles from Germany and Czechoslovakia (ZB26)
Before the alliance between Germany and Japan, China bought many helmets and rifles as well as having I believe advisors from Germany helping them to fight
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