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Post by matthew1943 on May 18, 2015 10:03:33 GMT -5
Update: The event's timetable has changed. The event will start at 11AM Saturday, this way we can get everything set up early and still have a lot of time to play. I hope to see you all there! If you can't make it as early as 11AM, please try to make the previous timetable of 1PM or earlier.
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Post by SfcMigs on May 18, 2015 22:33:08 GMT -5
Update: The event's timetable has changed. The event will start at 11AM Saturday, this way we can get everything set up early and still have a lot of time to play. I hope to see you all there! If you can't make it as early as 11AM, please try to make the previous timetable of 1PM or earlier.
Glad to hear that we can get in a solid 4 hours before the other group shows. I think a possible scenario could be a "Carentan" one. We can designate the Village as Carentan and use it as mostly an attack and defend type scenario. What also may be a good idea is that once 3PM approaches, we can take a chow break and maybe do a meet and greet with the new arrivals of the OPSAT. Why not take the opportunity to chat it up with some new players that may show an interest. One question, if we want to start at 11AM, what time should we be at the field for muster (10am?) and where do we pay, (the store?) Thanks Evan, Migs
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Post by matthew1943 on May 19, 2015 14:54:32 GMT -5
Update: The event's timetable has changed. The event will start at 11AM Saturday, this way we can get everything set up early and still have a lot of time to play. I hope to see you all there! If you can't make it as early as 11AM, please try to make the previous timetable of 1PM or earlier.
Glad to hear that we can get in a solid 4 hours before the other group shows. I think a possible scenario could be a "Carentan" one. We can designate the Village as Carentan and use it as mostly an attack and defend type scenario. What also may be a good idea is that once 3PM approaches, we can take a chow break and maybe do a meet and greet with the new arrivals of the OPSAT. Why not take the opportunity to chat it up with some new players that may show an interest. One question, if we want to start at 11AM, what time should we be at the field for muster (10am?) and where do we pay, (the store?) Thanks Evan, Migs You'd pay at the store first, which may be opening right at or a little bit before 11AM. So, with that knowledge, I'd say we should be at the field by, or a little bit past, 11AM. The store itself is only 5-10 mins away from the field. I also like your Carentan idea, I'll definitely consider it.
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Post by insterburger on May 19, 2015 16:52:19 GMT -5
Looking good.
If we have the field from 11:00, we should definitely push up the start of the event.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 19, 2015 17:39:51 GMT -5
The game will start, most likely, at 12:00PM. The event itself will start at 11AM.
To elaborate I'd like for everyone to be here for 11AM, this way we can set up our tents and other gear. Then, after chronoing, I'd like to do a weapon's demonstration, in which we teach everyone in a school circle fashion, how to operate each firearm. This will be especially helpful for the newcomers. From there on, the game's objectives will be briefed to everyone. After these three objectives are accomplished, it's game on. What I meant by, "try being here by the previous 1PM deadline", is that if you can't make it as early as 11AM, still try to be here as soon as possible. I hope that clears that up a bit.
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Post by Dracul on May 19, 2015 19:12:51 GMT -5
For the peace of mind for the guys loaning out kit and weapons, is there going to be some sort of waiver or form they have to fill out to make them accountable for it?
I don't mind battlefield wear, tears and breakage, I'm just worried about equipping someone and having him/her just walk off the field with all the loaned out stuff. We can't really keep eyes on every single player, you know?
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Post by matthew1943 on May 19, 2015 19:37:42 GMT -5
For the peace of mind for the guys loaning out kit and weapons, is there going to be some sort of waiver or form they have to fill out to make them accountable for it? I don't mind battlefield wear, tears and breakage, I'm just worried about equipping someone and having him/her just walk off the field with all the loaned out stuff. We can't really keep eyes on every single player, you know? We don't have an official sheet at the moment, however, I will definitely be taking down names (signatures even) of everyone who lends and borrows something. We'll probably have a collection point, after we set up, where we all meet together and decide who's lending what and who wears what. At least this way too there are eyewitnesses. Also, I will be bringing my camera, and I believe Inster will be as well, so there will be some photo documentation if need be. I definitely understand your concern though, and if needed I will make a sheet.
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Post by SfcMigs on May 19, 2015 20:55:28 GMT -5
For the peace of mind for the guys loaning out kit and weapons, is there going to be some sort of waiver or form they have to fill out to make them accountable for it? I don't mind battlefield wear, tears and breakage, I'm just worried about equipping someone and having him/her just walk off the field with all the loaned out stuff. We can't really keep eyes on every single player, you know? We don't have an official sheet at the moment, however, I will definitely be taking down names (signatures even) of everyone who lends and borrows something. We'll probably have a collection point, after we set up, where we all meet together and decide who's lending what and who wears what. At least this way too there are eyewitnesses. Also, I will be bringing my camera, and I believe Inster will be as well, so there will be some photo documentation if need be. I definitely understand your concern though, and if needed I will make a sheet. Just a suggestion regarding the loaning of equipment. Snap shot the persons ID on your phone. If their too young to have a DL, then an adult must submit their ID and be responsible for them. Just an FYI, I'm a License Private Investigator, so if you have the ID, even if it's not a current address, I'll find them. Migs
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Post by insterburger on May 20, 2015 5:54:40 GMT -5
I have a sheet I worked up for a previous event that we never used, but it will basically allow us to list all the gear a guy checks out, and who it belongs to. That way we can get people into the stuff they need but make sure it still "goes home with the one that brung 'em." I'll bring enough for everyone.
Also, I think there needs to be a policy to deal with stragglers... probably the best rule is that people who are taking loaner need to get there by a certain time or they're out of luck. Once the battle gets rolling, stopping everything to set guys up will really kill the momentum (we have had this at past events)and given the short time we have, it should be considered prohibitive.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on May 20, 2015 6:08:35 GMT -5
I agree with that. Since we are starting so late, stragglers could really hold us up. So Matthew, make sure your friends who need gear are all on board to get there at the proper time. It would be a drag to drive 5 hours to get there and only have a couple of hours of play because of logistics of setting guys up. And really, I think 11 is too late. If there is a bunch of new guys who need gear they should get there a hour earlier to take care of that so it doesnt hold things up. It really takes time to set guys up Inster and I know, we have done it already and it can take over a hour to get guys going, especially if there is a lot of stuff that needs to be loaned out. And you are talking about setting up a camp too, that takes time as well. So it seems like the actual game time will get cut into with all this. I would be down for showing up at 10 to help get people set up and set up camp so that we can get as much game time as possible in.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 20, 2015 14:50:26 GMT -5
I'll be getting it contact with Jolly to see if we can start the event at 10AM, I'll get back to you guys on that.
Also, please, if you haven't already, send in the player info sheet forums to Evan.
I'll also let it be known now, when we do arrive at the field, our camping/tent area will be on the right side of the parking lot once you enter. Parking will be on the left side of the lot.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 20, 2015 17:08:43 GMT -5
Hey guys, how many of you are bringing friends/interested persons? I'm just wondering, as I'm bringing 2-4.
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Post by SfcMigs on May 20, 2015 21:58:01 GMT -5
I'll be getting it contact with Jolly to see if we can start the event at 10AM, I'll get back to you guys on that.
Also, please, if you haven't already, send in the player info sheet forums to Evan.
I'll also let it be known now, when we do arrive at the field, our camping/tent area will be on the right side of the parking lot once you enter. Parking will be on the left side of the lot.
I agree with getting there earlier. Originally 11AM was suggested as we thought we had the whole day and night to ourselves. With that not being the case, the earlier the better. Between doing our own load out, to loaning out gear, to safety briefing to mission scenarios, this all takes a lot of time. Please take it from me, I've hosted almost a dozen events and all of this will take at least 1.5 hrs. Having said that, if Jolly doesn't want to get there by at least 10AM, and they haven't changed the gate combination from two years ago, I can open up the gate. But keep in mind I haven't been to GZA in almost 2 years, so unless there is some other added on security I'm not aware of, this can be an option. Food for thought, Migs
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Post by Dracul on May 21, 2015 21:15:15 GMT -5
So, to help with accountability, I made up these Weapon Issue Cards. Kind of like how I had these in the Marines. Kind of hoping to make a standard to help anyone who wants to loan out a lot of weapons at games. Especially when random people you don't know are coming to play. The idea is to make and fill these out before the game for each weapon, and before you issue the weapon to a player, he/she fills out his/her info, then hands you the card (to keep for record) and then you hand the weapon over. The one who loans out fills out Weapon, Owner, Mags, Sling, and Other. The renter/player fills out Player, Phone (number), and Sign(ature). Other is for anything else: Batteries, Grenades, Bandoliers, special tools, speed loaders, etc etc. I did a mock fill here: Make sure you get more detailed. I should have filled in "x10 shotgun" or "x5 short M14" under Mags, but you get the point. If you want the player's address, too, have them just write it on the back. I'd suggest printing these out on cardstock. A standard 8.5x11 printer should fit 12 on one page. If anyone wants the file, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I send a copy over. I'm going to work something similar for loaner kits, too. Definitely won't be as small as these, though.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 21, 2015 21:21:30 GMT -5
My printer has stopped working but if anyone can print out those cards that'd be great. Definitely a good idea at least for loaner weapons.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 21, 2015 21:24:38 GMT -5
Update: The timetables have changed once more, the event will start at 10AM.
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Post by insterburger on May 22, 2015 6:22:06 GMT -5
Drac and Matt-- I already have a form that will cover everything: Weapons, batteries, uniforms, gear, and will be able to record exactly what people are signing out and who it belongs to. I will be bringing these to the event. Much better, I think, to have a "one stop shop" and a single format for everyone who is borrowing or renting anything, from a single magazine to a full kit. It will be much easier to keep track of that way: One clipboard at the QM tent and we're all good.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 22, 2015 15:19:02 GMT -5
Drac and Matt-- I already have a form that will cover everything: Weapons, batteries, uniforms, gear, and will be able to record exactly what people are signing out and who it belongs to. I will be bringing these to the event. Much better, I think, to have a "one stop shop" and a single format for everyone who is borrowing or renting anything, from a single magazine to a full kit. It will be much easier to keep track of that way: One clipboard at the QM tent and we're all good. That's right, I forgot. Can't wait to see you guys there!
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Post by Dracul on May 25, 2015 22:37:01 GMT -5
Soooo, kind of important question about loaner kits. Who will be supplying to BB's to the guys renting out loaner kits?
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Post by SfcMigs on May 26, 2015 13:04:48 GMT -5
Soooo, kind of important question about loaner kits. Who will be supplying to BB's to the guys renting out loaner kits? If their going to the store to pay for the field fee, they should purchase a bag of BB's for themselves.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 26, 2015 16:03:00 GMT -5
I'd say they should purchase a bag of BBs for themselves, though I will be buying extra bags of .25s for the guys I'm bringing just in case.
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Post by matthew1943 on May 26, 2015 16:35:05 GMT -5
Update: It's official: If you intend on loaning a weapon from someone you should buy BBs (.20s and or .25s). This way we can distribute ammo amongst all who loan weapons, it's the least you can do.
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Post by Dracul on May 27, 2015 15:15:44 GMT -5
Not sure who else will be lending out kits, but if you are going to be renting from me, note this and try to bring accordingly. My loaner kits are not 100% yet, so please bring these.
British: -Black Boots. In place of Ammo Boots -Brown (preferred) or green colored long sleeve tee shirt or Henley (long sleeve tee shirt that buttons up up top). In place of the Collarless Shirt
US: -Brown or Tan boots. In place of Rough Outs, Service Shoes, and Boondockers. -Military style web belt in tan or OD.
German: -Black Boots. In place of Low Boots -Any trouser belt would do. It will be easily covered up by the Tunic.
I listed the "in place of _____" items so that the less knowledgeable players can Google search the items to see what they look like and you can determine what ever you own to be your closest match to them.
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Post by SfcMigs on May 29, 2015 11:34:25 GMT -5
Update: The timetables have changed once more, the event will start at 10AM. Just want clarification on this, We should be at the field by 10AM, but the store is not gonna be open until around 11AM? I know it's only 5 minutes away, but it's still counter productive. If we all have to go to the store to pay around 11AM, we should all be squared away before then. If not, I can see this thing dragging past noon until we actually start. If Jolly Green plans on coming to the field later, perhaps we can pay him right there, at least those who plan on paying cash. Just a thought. Either way, I'll be there by 10AM. Migs
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Post by matthew1943 on May 29, 2015 20:24:41 GMT -5
Update: The timetables have changed once more, the event will start at 10AM. Just want clarification on this, We should be at the field by 10AM, but the store is not gonna be open until around 11AM? I know it's only 5 minutes away, but it's still counter productive. If we all have to go to the store to pay around 11AM, we should all be squared away before then. If not, I can see this thing dragging past noon until we actually start. If Jolly Green plans on coming to the field later, perhaps we can pay him right there, at least those who plan on paying cash. Just a thought. Either way, I'll be there by 10AM. Migs The store should be open at 10AM as well.
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Post by SfcMigs on May 29, 2015 23:53:37 GMT -5
I'm writing this at almost 1AM on Saturday. Due to a last minute unforeseen situation, I'm sorry to say that me and the boys will not be able to attend the event.
This is a last minute work related issue that I can not avoid. I have a situation in one of my cases that I have to attend to and it requires that I'm in the area tomorrow. This really sucks that I have to sit this one out.
Enjoy the day and my apologies for not being there.
Migs
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 1, 2015 17:23:08 GMT -5
How'd the event go?
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Post by insterburger on Jun 1, 2015 18:58:06 GMT -5
I'm sure Matt and some others will have their own perspective to add, but I would call it a resounding success. There were quite a few players who had zero WWII kit and were just trying things out. All of the regular WWII guys were very helpful and friendly to everyone, with many hands pitching in to get my kit on to players (thanks to all who did this!)
We only had one dedicated WWII combat, which was an absolute blast. Basically had a mixed Brit/US force advance on a German patrol that had assumed a defensive position, and fought it out. Allies carried the day, but not by much. After this, we had a series of combined WWII forces against the modern players who had began to show up. I had been against doing this at first, but it actually worked out to our benefit. We basically kicked the modern forces up and down the field, but did so with a level of fair play and sportsmanship that the "good guys" on the modern side seemed to appreciate (at least from the guys I talked to). In a subsequent game we had a bit of an altercation: One doofus was caught dead to rights by Drac inside a building, who had the courtesy of calling a safety kill on him. The jackwagon responded by shooting Drac, with a rifle, point blank, and then saying that GZA doesn't do safety kills-- a rule we had not been told. At this point we walked off the field, where Drac and the guy-- and then I and the guy-- had words. Basically our argument boiled down to what is the fair and honorable thing to do, which must have struck a sore spot with Mr. Operator, who then went off the deep end and called me a Nazi (if he only knew how idiotic that was).
In a sense the whole thing served our hobby in a way that a less "eventful" event never could have: The WWII-only game was collegial, fairly fought, and just plain fun. The modern vs. WWII games were rife with cheating and cheap shots on the modern side. The contrast was not lost at all on the guys who had shown up and fought on our side, as well as the real sportsmen on the modern side: We are a breed apart that plays a VERY different game from your typical weekend airsofter, and anyone who is looking for friendly, mature, and honorable airsoft play should look to the WWII community. I know that a lot of the folks who played with us can't wait to do it again, and some of the modern players-- at least the ones worth playing with-- showed a definite interest in giving it a try.
We frankly could not have planned it any better.
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Post by SfcMigs on Jun 1, 2015 20:20:43 GMT -5
Sorry I missed this one. sounds like a great time, right up to the part of the dispute over the safety kill.
It's truly amazing no matter who I talk to or hear from, modern airsofters can really be jerks. I've had many unpleasant experiences with them from years past and I promised myself long ago that I would stay away from them. And I'm not even referring to GZA weekend players. My bad experiences was here at "Cousins" on Long Island. Biggest cheaters and jackwagons on the planet. Kudos to you guys for keeping your cool and walking away.
I'm just curious if JollyGreen was there to oversee this thing and if yes, why wasn't there a safety and rules briefing? Either way, must have been frustrating to end this way.
But overall sounds like a good time. Hopefully we can pick up some momentum and have a big event in the near future.
Quick question, did Tom Kish and Eric Wolf make it to the event? Their code names are SnakeDoc and Viper.
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Post by insterburger on Jun 1, 2015 20:36:08 GMT -5
Jolly was there, and he actually apologized for not giving us a more complete briefing, which of course we said no need to apologize. We also said that although we were in the right, we were sorry it came to words. He definitely was cool with us and understood our side of things. Some other regulars who knew Mr. Hothead said they would try to get him to apologize, I said don't bother with it, we just have extremely different views of what fair and honorable play are and just let it go.
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