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Post by scarfy on May 27, 2015 7:54:56 GMT -5
Could it be done? An Alternate History where US and Britain fought the Soviet Union after the fall of Nazi Germany? Operation Unthinkable was a plan proposed by Winston Churchill to be able to combat the Soviet Union after the fall of Germany in the event of a war that would pit Russia against the West. Though it never went into use, there was still the possibility of it being needed.
I think it's a great Idea for an Airsoft Event, Specific American or British Unit must fight a Russian Unit (i.e. 506th vs 6th Guards Airborne Division, or 2nd Rangers vs 3rd Shock Army) I personally think it would be fun. It could also give the airsofters more freedom to use more equipment that was issued late in the war. It doesn't have to have a European setting either. Soviet and US Marines could have just as easily clashed in Japan (In an alternate history where we never dropped the bombs of course.)
What do you guys think about it?
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Post by stuka on May 27, 2015 7:58:07 GMT -5
Sounds interesting and weren't the Germans to be rearmed to help in the attack as well or was that somebody elses plan?
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Post by scarfy on May 27, 2015 8:24:19 GMT -5
Sounds interesting and weren't the Germans to be rearmed to help in the attack as well or was that somebody elses plan? I believe the German Army was to be rearmed with American and British equipment, but I'm not 100% sure.
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Post by daehahn on May 27, 2015 9:24:53 GMT -5
This is actually a pretty good idea imo, it would open up opportunities for other impressions, such as French, because the French are now free from occupation (did te French ever fight after they were liberated in 1944-45?). Since this is against the whole USSR (right?) then the people with Polish impressions could also participate. Also, since this is after WWII, I would think that the US and British would've looked at the STG 44 and maybe even used it for their armies as the design was pretty good and a new kind of weapon.
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Post by ssgjoe on May 27, 2015 12:06:59 GMT -5
Or yo could have a scenario where the western allies allied with Germany after the July 20th plot succeeded (alternate history obviously) and fought the USSR together.
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Post by ssgjoe on May 27, 2015 12:08:19 GMT -5
This is actually a pretty good idea imo, it would open up opportunities for other impressions, such as French, because the French are now free from occupation (did te French ever fight after they were liberated in 1944-45?). There were the Free French Forces that helped with the liberation.
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Post by volkssturm on May 27, 2015 13:40:44 GMT -5
The French formed the First Army after liberation and fought in Alsace-Lorraine and then in southwestern Germany. Wiki has an extensive article on the French in WWII. The Germans didn't particularly like to be taken prisoners by the French, for some reason.
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Post by volkssturm on May 27, 2015 13:50:52 GMT -5
It's an interesting scenario (though in reality I doubt it would ever happen. Everybody, except the US, was pretty well exhausted by 1945. And the US public would not have been too happy to start another war). It does open lots of possibilities for new toys. The US would have been fielding the select fire, 20 round mag M1 Garand that was ordered for the invasion of Japan (and canceled with the surrender). Faced with the Russian hordes, I wouldn't be surprised if the US and UK spray painted MG-42s OD and start issuing them, along with panzerfausts and STG-44's. The Russians would have been fielding the new SKS in numbers. Germans would have been fighting on both sides (why feed and house those POW's if you can recruit them?) I think the classic East German VoPo helmet was actually a late war German design, so it might have gone in production.
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Post by daehahn on May 27, 2015 14:10:38 GMT -5
Would the Japanese have been helping the Soviets or the US? Or would they have been just caught in the crossfire?
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Post by ssgjoe on May 27, 2015 14:25:51 GMT -5
I feel they would more likely be helping the USSR.
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Post by daehahn on May 27, 2015 15:32:31 GMT -5
But I thought that they might have been scared/against communism. However this is just after the end of the war in Europe correct? If so the Japanese would probably have been supporting the USSR. If after VJ day, the Japanese would be forced to help the US.
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Post by ssgjoe on May 27, 2015 15:35:52 GMT -5
But I highly doubt the Yanks would have had an armistice with Japan.
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Post by ssgjoe on May 27, 2015 15:42:20 GMT -5
The Germans didn't particularly like to be taken prisoners by the French, for some reason. Well the french didn't really treat their POWs as well as the other western allies.
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Post by volkssturm on May 27, 2015 21:27:50 GMT -5
Gosh, I wonder why? (That's a rhetorical question.)
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Post by DRK on May 27, 2015 23:35:09 GMT -5
Such an operation could create a larger conflict that may or may not prevent the Korean War. Though an Airsoft event about that conflict would be easier to accomplish with so many late war weapons available.
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Post by stuka on May 28, 2015 0:33:53 GMT -5
I can imagine the Japanese would probably be forced to help the US and considering they did engage the Russians multiple times, can't imagine they liked them too much either.
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Post by shiftysgarand on May 28, 2015 6:13:19 GMT -5
Indeed, in the '30s the Japanese had a huge communist scare. I would also guess they'd help the US.
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Post by DRK on May 28, 2015 6:41:21 GMT -5
Imagine if they used bio warfare on the soviets. Or if ABC warfare is used at all for this operation in either theatre.
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Post by Dracul on May 28, 2015 7:31:18 GMT -5
I don't think the Japanese would be helping anyone out. They were intent on fighting the US to the last man, and was still fighting Allied forces among the Pacific even after the official surrender. Whatever Japanese were left and willing to remain in the military would have probably just been shifted to home/national guards. Plus, I don't think the Allies wanted to rearm Japan that quickly, even in the face of the Russians, out of fear of reattacking the US to try to push them out of Japan. Our goal was to pretty much disable the entire Japanese military.
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