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Post by hennepin15 on Jun 5, 2015 10:41:03 GMT -5
Can't believe they lowered the price to that point. I have to sell of some of my aegs so I can buy this awesome thing. Hopefully dboys will never sell a kar98k again if s&t makes a 98k.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 5, 2015 10:55:54 GMT -5
As a kid I was notorious for taking my toys apart (and still am)(Sometimes I even get them back together). So it occurs to me, the Springfield was a modified Mauser. Could this Springfield be dropped in a Kar98K stock and some external changes made (cocking piece, bolt release, sights) to turn it into a Kar98K?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2015 10:58:35 GMT -5
There are plinkers who like the ejecting shells, especially in countries where firearms are virtually non existant. (Japan for example). Skirmishability and FPS on the guns are not key factors in fact in Japan they restrict all airsoft guns sold there to 1 jouelle of power (typically 300 FPS w/ .20 gram). Hence out of the box Japanese products all shoot 290 or below.
Along with lower production costs the lack of FPS restrictions have given the Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers a real significant advantage in the marketplace.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 5, 2015 11:19:11 GMT -5
Hey,Stuka, how do you know how many is in stock like that?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2015 12:28:57 GMT -5
Volks,
Although the Springfield was very much based on the Mauser design (a licensing fee was being paid to Germany for the main weapon we used against them) The inletting in this replica is for fundamentally VSR internals not Mauser/ Springfield internals. Hence: The process of marrying this to Kar 98 furniture would be about the same work needed to marry a VSR to an actual Kar 98. It may be a while before we see it but I have to believe S&T will see the advantage of transfering much of their intial hardwork into expanding their product range to include a KAR 98 and Enfield. How soon we see other models probably depends on if they are in the works currently and how well this Springfield sells. I have to believe at this price point it is going to sell great!
In my opinion the Springfield will be far and above the smallest volume seller of the three. With regard to the World Wars it was the least significant. The KAR 98 is our biggest hole and the UK are sponges for all historical weapons mostly because of their interest in all things historical and inability to access actual firearms.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 5, 2015 14:08:15 GMT -5
Despite this NOT filling the Kar98 gap, I have a feeling that this will definitely sell like hot cakes. Hell, it already is! How many people here already bought one in the first day of it coming out at Evike? I know a few of my buddies did already!
Everything about this just screams "buy me". A WWII RIFLE for under 200 bucks that is not shell ejecting, and not an SMG. This is a great starter weapon for those who want to be riflemen, but don't have the cash for a Garand. Hopefully we will stop seeing SMG over saturation because of this, at least for the Americans.
As months go by, I dare say that we might be seeing more 1903's than Garands! That is until we get a Garand with a plastic stock for under 200...*wishful thinking* Come on Cyma!
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Post by stuka on Jun 5, 2015 14:17:21 GMT -5
Many websites including airsoft websites disply out of stock if you order too many. Basically add it to cart and mess around with the numbers then press update cart. If they're up to date with the computer (since they also have a in person store they sell stuff like that too) it should give you an accurate number of how many is in stock.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 5, 2015 14:40:03 GMT -5
Ah, neat trick! Just wish Evike kept better control of that number sometimes...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2015 14:44:36 GMT -5
I am impressed that they had enough confidence to buy the volume that they apparently did. Hopefully with enough of a price break to make decent money at $148.00
Its true that with the super cheap carbines and these reasonably priced bolt actions the cost of participating in WW2 airsoft just came way down. I know that the reduced rates of fire will greatly enhance gameplay. A plastic stocked GnG and/ or ICS Garand at a lower price point than the going rate of $400.00 would also help emmensely. I am surprised we have not seen that as yet.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 5, 2015 14:59:16 GMT -5
This is where CYMA comes in, they would be the company to do just this. Their AK's and M14's are extremely good as is, and cost much less than VFC, LCT, and Marui AK's and M14's.
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Post by stuka on Jun 5, 2015 14:59:23 GMT -5
I am thinking that evike may have accidentally ordered too many and may not be too confident especially since the zb26s didn't seem to sell to well
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2015 15:12:10 GMT -5
The $148.00 offer may well have been a deliberate momentum builder and temporary to test the waters. The ICS Garand with coupons and discounts was $288.00 when I bought mine out of the first batch and a pre-order but rapidly went up to the $400.00 price range where it has remained. this may well be the case with this S&T Springfield. Usually these things go the other way where initially the price is high and then comes down. $148.00 for a hard shooting, well made classic replica with real wood seems incredibly low to me. It just shows what mass production can do.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 5, 2015 15:25:49 GMT -5
Thats exactly what I'm worried about too. That the price will be jacked up to near or more than Ehobby's listing. The ZB26's don't sell well because the Germans already their correct and more popular MG, and while the Germans did use the ZB26, it almost an unknown gun to a lot of people. If they did release it has an actual BREN gun, things might have been different for it....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2015 19:29:22 GMT -5
I agree on the ZB which really seemed like an odd choice. I just received an email confirmation from EVIKE confirming the shipping of my order. I must say most airsoft sites are very dilligent about keeping people informed about their orders. I was worried about this one as it just seems too good to be true. we'll find out when it gets here. In the meantime I am definitely listing some guns on EBAY that I think might depreciate considerably if I don't sell them right away. (Some of my homemade bolt actions!) I have a couple Springfields I've obviously hung onto too long! Knowing that a Kar98 and Enfield might be next...Hmmmmmm? ?
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Post by redbear on Jun 6, 2015 10:12:43 GMT -5
Droop, Could you please go into more info about the scope. I would like to buy one of these, but I would like to know how easy it is to get a scope on it. And also where you found your scope. Thanks
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 6, 2015 13:52:41 GMT -5
I noticed in most of the advertisements about the M1903 they mention a 25 round magazine but in the EVIKE ad it said 15 BBs. Not a big deal but with no spare magazines out yet it was a concern. i asked Droopaille who owns one and did the initial great report about ACTUAL capacity and he was kind enough to PM me that his rifle feeds 23 rounds. Nice to know. With a 23 round capacity in a bolt action I would think 3 or 4 magazines would be more than enough for skirmishing.
The fact that the magazines don't fit in the Garand type pouches is certainly not an issue as they are long and skinny and can slip nicely into a pocket or any of a number of pouches.
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Post by reichelderfer on Jun 6, 2015 20:10:20 GMT -5
So this is on evike now...once I get some funds I WILL be pushing myself to do this unless my move really tangles up my life up more than it should be.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 7, 2015 13:12:34 GMT -5
My scope was found on a "vide grenier", place where people sell their old stuff on sunday, few years ago. It is not realistic and I had to machining it for a better look. And I also made the rail. I think something like that can be a good idea with the rail sold for this replica. www.optique-pro.fr/lunette-de-visee-umarex-zf-4x15-6/p,21191 May be I will buy the real one which is linked above.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 7, 2015 14:32:02 GMT -5
The actual Weaver Scopes most commonly used on the M1903A3 was only a 3power fairly tiny scope which by todays standards offered very poor optics. Honestly the inexpensive air gun scopes would look about right and actually offer better performance than an original (even if in perfect condition). Obviously these air gun, inexpensive scopes and replica scope hardware would not withstand the rigors of continuous recoil from 30:06 rounds but since they don't have to, what the heck.
I continue to harp that SNIPER and airsoft are such laughable concepts since for us, a felt headshot at 200 feet is considered impressive. So for me scopes and airsoft seem silly to me. With that said, the opportunity to identify details at longer range from a scouting perspective is definitely worthwhile. "who are those guys moving around?" definitely comes up.
Most guys gets scopes for their airsoft rifles cause it looks cool or because their video game, first person shooter made the concept of a sniper seem really cool but the reality is airsoft is just not a great medium for such roles. The M1903 should fill the role of a squad marksman/ grenadier while a KAR 98 should it come along will perfectly fill the role of the most common German soldier encountered.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 9, 2015 21:21:53 GMT -5
So I was hoping I'd receive my EVIKE order some time today but alas it did not arrive. Its still very early but needless to say I'm anxious to get it! Droopaille anything I should know about it before it arrives. Tricks to loading or operational tips?
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 9, 2015 21:58:05 GMT -5
Regarding why they elected to come out with the ZB-26, China was a major user of the ZB-26 in the '30's-'40's. To us it's "unusual." Maybe to the Chinese executives who make production decisions it as a certain iconic status.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jun 9, 2015 23:04:45 GMT -5
What's great is the more we buy of course S&T will discover the demand for these things and hopefully they'll build even more! And perhaps other inexpensive bolt action models based on the vsr11/bar10. If I hadn't built my own M1903, I'd buy this thing in a heartbeat. It actually costs less than half of what I paid in materials to build mine!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 9, 2015 23:29:36 GMT -5
I agree. It is quite a deal and indeed cost a lot less than the materials needed for any of the Springfields I made myself to say nothing of the time required.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 10, 2015 12:45:32 GMT -5
Regarding why they elected to come out with the ZB-26, China was a major user of the ZB-26 in the '30's-'40's. To us it's "unusual." Maybe to the Chinese executives who make production decisions it as a certain iconic status. yes you must buy bbs no this is nothing to do, I noted that the grease is in excess and some screws need to be screwed, that all folks May I'm wrong but I think you are like a maid before her first date !!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 10, 2015 14:45:23 GMT -5
I always am like that before getting a newly released airsoft gun, I think its because you're never really sure what you're going to get. Most airsoft guns I have bought have lived up to or exceeded my expectations. Some have been bitter disappointments. Managing ones expectations is the key and research before the fact. In the past I have bought things without talking to someone who has one. This is generally not wise as our heart convinces us it will be just what we're hoping for rather than our brain which says it may not be.
Other peoples experiences are of course no guarantee and some people are luckier with some models than others. Given all the hundreds of airsoft guns I've purchased there really have only been about a dozen major disappointments so I guess really overall I have done well. incidently 80% of those disappointments were gas guns!
Any historically iconic weapon is on my "want list" and usually when not available I just made it. Nice to see so many of those gaps now filled with commercial offerings.
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Post by reichelderfer on Jun 10, 2015 18:43:00 GMT -5
FYI! Ehobby has the "mags" / clips in stock.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 10, 2015 19:10:27 GMT -5
On small relatively inexpensive items I'd rather no go overseas to buy an item unless I can't find them elsewhere or I am buying a lot of them. Three or Spare clips for this rifle should be more than enough unless they are brutally hard to reload. initially I thought the CYMAA carbine magazines were challenging to load but with the little tip adapter on the hand held speed loaders they were a piece of cake. Hence three or four mags and a speed loader is adequate for skirmishing and should be on this as well.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 11, 2015 12:42:53 GMT -5
It arrived this morning and first impressions are very very favorable. I will go out and test fire both close in and at range and provide a full report. I know others should be getting theirs with this initial US batch and it will be nice to catalogue everyone's thoughts on this new offering.
Once we have them I'll sticky this for future potential buyers.
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Post by stuka on Jun 11, 2015 14:26:38 GMT -5
Reich they are mags. The only clips that exist in the airsoft world are for the shell ejectors and the marushin garands
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Post by tchaa on Jun 11, 2015 15:48:51 GMT -5
Hey there, just joined this forum for this thread lol. Anyways, since a couple of you guys got the M1903A3's in, would it be possible for someone to do a brief video review? There's one overview video on youtube by a Japanese airsofter, but I'm interested in seeing what the effective range of this BA is, and what FPS range the North American models actually have (since our Japanese counterparts are all legally limited to 250fps). Oh here's the video if anyone else is interested: www.youtube.com/watch?v=urooRMZ10B8Just waiting on Evike to hopefully bring in the mags before I place an order for the M1903A3, tempted to order two (one to collect? or one to convert to a proper A4 if I ever find or make a C stock) but sadly limited by airsoft budget constraints... Btw, has anyone ordered the G&G replica scope and mount? I'm fairly annoyed by the fact the mount seems to be much taller than it should be in the pictures as the scope seems to sit pretty high. Though short of ordering a real mount and Hi-lux scope, I don't think there's any other option really. That said, looking forward to the review 2nd Bat!
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