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Post by 2nd Bat on May 30, 2015 20:34:00 GMT -5
The BAR 10 is the most popular base weapon used for most bolt action conversions. These are of course Chinese made Marui VSR clones and while there are easily a half dozen of these VSR Clones the BAR 10 in my opinion represents the best value. They are quality copies and the only clone I've seen that is fully compatible with all upgrade parts and repair parts. This is important for anyone wishing to turn one of these into a real powerhouse weapon. Out of the box they shoot 420 to 460 FPS with .20 gram. Their hop up is marginally okay but with upgrades or the heavier BBs a bolty should use an upgraded hopup is recommended. The other recommended upgrade is a reinforced trigger assembly as the stronger spring that comes with the BAR10 typically destroys the seer fairly quikly causing slam firing.
The take off stock on The BAR 10 is thick Black, ABS plastic. The shape emmulates a modern civilian hunting rifle or an M40 modern sniper rifle. To replicate a more vintage look of a Enfield, Kar 98 or Springfield you have to hack off sections and use some fill to reshape things. You also need to add a forestock section for one extra length. This save you the expense of buying actual stock components and having to modify them which can be time consuming and fairly challenging. Once complete an authentic Faux wood effect can be created.
Modifying the BAR 10 stock provides the exact fit for your internal components which help enormously with insuring that function and alignment will be as it should be. There will be of course some compromises visually but as you will see in this thread these can be reduced considerably with some effort and time.
The first thing I always do with these projects is study lots and lots of pictures of the weapons I am replicating. I then draw out the cuts I intend to make. I use a dremel to make my cuts and a dremel to sand and shape to as close to my final look. From there I use dyna glass resin fill and a belt sander. Its okay if your initial cuts aren't perfect as your fill will correct and revise where needed. Whenever possible its good to have an actual rifle or stock component on hand.
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Post by Dracul on Jun 1, 2015 21:10:21 GMT -5
Here some good content from 2ndBat. My apologies for being late on posting this for him:
I have seven or eight take off BAR 10 stocks which I am hacking down into Enfield and Kar 98 stocks. As cheap as the real Enfield stock parts are its probably kind of silly but its fun to see what one can do with what is on hand. you can't really see the little edge tip at the bottom of the neck but its there. Fill in will provide the final shape. In this picture (above) it looks like a Springfield straight stock The Kar 98 modification is similar but with a rounding off rather than elimination of the palm heel. Different sling hardware and a simulated rounded bolt tool. The gouges of course fill in nicely. I will need to do some additional shaving on this lower gouge prior to fill work. I typically add weight to the stock and bondo it in so its nice and solid feeling. The end forestock will be added to the forward tip of the stock ala Hairy Apple and your recent effort. Once my lower stocks are done I can buy some BAR 10s and finish these up. I plan to do an ENFIELD or Two and perhaps three " BAR 98s". The S&T Springfield looks promising and may render these projects quite uneccessary which will be awesome. 2nd Bat
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Post by hennepin15 on Jun 2, 2015 23:40:00 GMT -5
I have a spare bar-10 I can mail to you so you can "experiment" on it. Hopefully it turns into a beauty, great read as always!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 3, 2015 3:43:46 GMT -5
I would love that.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 23, 2015 12:31:19 GMT -5
Thus far I have managed to create a convincing look for a Springfield straight stock, scant stock and of course the modern looking C stock. In addition I have replicated a Kar 98 look and the thin and unique shape of the British Enfield rifles.
Don't be afraid to cut away but don't be surprised to discover that the Marui, AGM, UTG and JG VSR stocks are all uniquely different internally inspite of their external similarities.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2015 18:57:53 GMT -5
Just completed a couple SMLE lower stocks for Dracul. The modification process makes it hard to believe they started out as plastic VSR stocks. The reshaped butt stock area. Forestock extension addition of a magazine and fake brass butt plate make for a very convincing conversion when married to actual SMLE handguards.
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Post by Dracul on Nov 4, 2015 23:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 7, 2015 16:13:04 GMT -5
As always 2ndbat, really great work! One thing I saw that I think might be interesting to try is to cut off the top half of the outer barrel at the receiver. That would allow the handguard to go all the way back without the outer barrel interfering with it while still having all of the screw points intact.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 7, 2015 16:40:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately with the VSR internals that's simply not possible while still maintaining functionality and integrity. At least based on past efforts!
I am working on creating a rise in the lower stock as it marrys up with the rear handguard which also matches what was present on the SMLE lower stock. This will minimize or eliminate the gap shown. Challenging to do however (I am discovering)
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Post by shutzefritz on Nov 8, 2015 20:24:15 GMT -5
2nd Bat,
Awesome craftsmanship as always! I have a BAR10 stock left over from my K98 if you want. PM me for details With respect,
Shutze
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 9, 2015 0:38:06 GMT -5
Truth be told after all my VSR conversions using actual hardware I probably have a dozen take off BAR 10 type stocks but I appreciate the offer. One of the reasons I tackled this approach was to do something with them!
Throwing them out is what I should do but I just can't bring myself to do it!
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Post by hennepin15 on Nov 11, 2015 0:58:44 GMT -5
Inspiring effort! I may do this to my bar10 laying around at home when the semester ends. Keep up the great work!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 11, 2015 20:27:21 GMT -5
Don't be afraid to take it on. Your dremel will easily cut away the plastic and resin paste will fill in your gaps and allow you to create convincing new shaped. The process will be messy and smelly and the sanding process is dusty, dusty, dusty but your end result will leave you with a unique and skirmishable replica that will become a true one of a kind
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 18, 2016 17:11:23 GMT -5
Having completed and shipped the VSR to SMLEs I am now focused on several Mausers which remain a significant hole in skirmishable, affordable airsoft replicas. If the Pacific was more commonly skirmishes I'd no doubt tackle an Arisaka. If the Spanish American War was games I'd do a kragg Jorgenson!
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Post by hunterj on Oct 31, 2016 18:30:47 GMT -5
Hey 2nd bat, first off you do a lot of fantastic work and truly are an inspiration in this forum. I'm looking to do this conversion very soon and was wondering a few things. What sort of resin do you use to fill in the holes you cut into the existing bar10 stock? Also, how do you attach the front wood and top hand guard onto the existing bar10 plastic stock? thanks!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 1, 2016 1:59:33 GMT -5
I use a glass embedded resin paste (dynaglass by bondo). This is generally for Marine application. It is a two part blend like regular bondo but much much stronger and appropriate for our purposes. For some of my projects the upper handguard is held in place with the stock band and a bracket over the VSR outer barrel.
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Post by hunterj on Nov 7, 2016 0:46:18 GMT -5
Another question, for the enfield magazine how did you recreate that and make it look like the mag? I am going to try and do something like this to make a carcano rifle. Also, with the top hand guard is that actually wood you attach to the rest of the vsr stock body? Thanks!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 10, 2016 22:30:56 GMT -5
The magazines can be actual parts or fabrications. The ones shown are fabrications made out of wood. I have made the upper handguards out of resin paste and out of actual wood handguards. The ones shown are modified actual SMLE handguards.
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Post by hunterj on Nov 10, 2016 22:37:00 GMT -5
So the only part right now i think im confused on is how did you attach the accessories to the plastic vsr stock, the wooden magazine as well as the top handguard to get them to stick to the plastic vsr body? thanks
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 11, 2016 15:03:18 GMT -5
So to attach the forestock I extend a dowel from the inlay of the cut off VSR stock so there is a rigid internal "spine" that joins both. To hold the wood magazine so I know it will remain solidly in place I set several (three or four) screws into the lower part of the plastic VSR stock between the trigger hole and the mag hole. I screw them in just far enough that they are solid anchored but stick out 3/4 of an inch or so. These will create a series of "male" anchor points for the fake magazine. At the base of the wooden fake magazines I drill out holes (a channel really) that form the female slots that these extended screw ends will slip into. Exact fit isn't vital at all as my dynaglass filler is what is going to permanently and solidly hold them into place.
The result is a rock solid marriage of magazine to stock and wooden forearm and VSR stock. I hope that helps. Dyna glass is extremely strong and allows two components to bind together nicely without precise tongue and groove type cuts.
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