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Post by oioi on Aug 13, 2015 16:38:52 GMT -5
Hi everybody ! First please forgive my bad english, it is not my native language.As there is a lot of expectations about the new King Arms M1 Carbine, I share the review I've done so you can choose buying it or no before it is out of stock ! I translated some part of it in english, the other parts will be translated soon with new chapters Hope you will enjoy that ! Just clic here : oioiairsoft.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/m1-carbine-king-arms-review/
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Post by shiftysgarand on Aug 15, 2015 14:43:38 GMT -5
Very very nice. Merci beaucoup! I'm particularly interested in the durability of this offering before I take the plunge.
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Post by fishmeok on Aug 15, 2015 17:41:39 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the disassembly- it looks to be an exact Marushin clone. The big question though- is the bolt made out of pot metal?? Did KA upgrade the internals at all?
Thank you Mark
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Post by scvngr on Aug 15, 2015 23:34:50 GMT -5
Box states it's Zinc Alloy and the whole thing costs the same as the orginial, so I'd say no
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 16, 2015 20:54:41 GMT -5
Zinc alloy IS Pot metal!
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Post by fishmeok on Aug 16, 2015 21:56:12 GMT -5
Bummer- guess I will stick with my newly fixed M2 and wait and see what breaks next...
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Post by stuka on Aug 16, 2015 21:56:48 GMT -5
doesn't necessarily mean it's bad, just not infinitely durable. Think of the mp40's, stgs, thompsons, I am sure they are pot metal.
Regardless, I think for now anybody who buys this should have the more important parts remade so that if the original does break, you won't be screwed and we know the original isn't so good
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 17, 2015 20:18:08 GMT -5
Zinc alloy is lighter than hardened steel and is much much easier to machine and tool. Both are essential for function and affordability. A real steel part is probably going to be too heavy to function in the blow back operation we like and aluminum would be far too costly. The real issue with zinc alloy is it is brittle and easily breaks even with normal function over time.
Properly machined aluminum parts would be fabulous but unless someone knows someone with a correct CnC machine and has an intact base part for each of the needed components the discussion is mute. Do you think there is enough of a business case to invest the neccessary capital to create these parts? Any one have several thousand dollars they want to gamble to find out? i didn't think so!
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Post by reichelderfer on Aug 18, 2015 12:05:25 GMT -5
So, what parts are likely to fail?
The retracting bolt?
Nozzle?
Spring guides?
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Post by fishmeok on Aug 18, 2015 18:54:57 GMT -5
Charging handle, bolt, sear, nozzle- they have all had problems with breaking. Even when using duster gas.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Aug 18, 2015 19:05:40 GMT -5
Anything that moves at high speed is subject to breakage with these guns. Replacement parts made of aircraft aluminum would sell like crazy.
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Post by hardslack on Aug 18, 2015 19:57:05 GMT -5
I am now at the tail end of a 1.5 year machining education program. I have been working at a machine shop for the past 4 months, so i finally have some practical experience. I also worked for an engineer drafting and 3d modelling for 10 months. Im confident I could machine the parts needed, given time. My obstacle is money, and time to a lesser extent. Ideally, I could buy one of these, 3d model all the parts and use aluminum from school or work bought at scrap value to make them. But my wife and I are attacking her hefty student loan, so I don't see that happening for a few years. If someone wanted to loan me one, that would be cool.
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Post by fishmeok on Aug 18, 2015 21:03:02 GMT -5
If you want I can loan you an original charging lever from a Marushin Garand- I have a spare and it would make a good practice piece. Several different faces and angles, two holes and a countersink on one...
Could you 3-d model and have one printed out at Shapeways? They have a stainless steel option.
Cheers
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Post by fishmeok on Aug 18, 2015 21:12:35 GMT -5
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Post by oioi on Aug 19, 2015 5:01:25 GMT -5
Hi ! Thanks for all. Sorry I was in holidays... Yes it seems to be pot metal, everything. Clearly no steel except some internals. And clearly no aluminium. Internals are not exactly same than Marushin, some minor modifications, I will try to detail it today
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Post by oioi on Sept 3, 2015 4:15:11 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 14, 2015 11:39:44 GMT -5
Very thorough, detailed review with excellent photographs. Although I don't entirely agree with all your comments they are positioned as opinion and reflect 90% of my impressions. In addition to the incorrect rear site and bayonet lug the heat shield upper hand guard should have two vent holes not four to be Ww2 correct. Incidentally the bayonet lug is fully functional and the actual oiler and Sling fits fine. The front sling hardware is not absolutely period correct but the deviation is very minor.
Anytime we have more choices on vintage style weapons its a good thing. Like most on this site I wish an authentic and reasonably powerful carbine was available in an AEG!
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Post by stuka on Sept 14, 2015 11:41:39 GMT -5
Wait did you get your hands on one 2ndbat?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 14, 2015 11:52:19 GMT -5
Yes, saw one in a shop and was allowed to inspect and handle it extensively. I have owned each of the Marushin gas carbines including their latest which all ate their young in relatively short order. The only exception being their early, early 6mm non blowback gas carbine which was strong, accurate, reliable and durable. I sold it to Business on this site who no doubt still cherishes it. This King Arms co2 seems overall to be a direct clone of the Marushin CO2 variant
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Post by reichelderfer on Sept 19, 2015 11:18:44 GMT -5
First known spare mags are available via wgcshop.com at $44 a pop before shipping Im awaiting to see how much they will cost from evike and other US based retailers.
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Post by fishmeok on Sept 19, 2015 20:38:46 GMT -5
Hopefully someone will start making the aftermarket steel parts again.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 24, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5
I didn't realize anyone ever did? A lot of talk about it but were replacement enhanced parts for Marushin guns actually offered? If so by whom?
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Post by scvngr on Oct 1, 2015 1:55:42 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 1, 2015 12:07:54 GMT -5
Wow! Those seem to be all the common failures in a Marushin Garand! (That in itself should tell everyone something). Assuming they all fit and function properly and with the expectation that they would prove to be durable. That's a great resource.
Still would leave you with a mostly non skirmishable,persnickety gun that now become even more expensive. For my money a GnG AEG or another ICS makes way more sense.
I suspect a similar parts kit will be available for the Marushin and King Arms carbines. Although for most buyers it would put the guns out of reach for most buyers!
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Post by Kipp on Sept 9, 2016 23:00:09 GMT -5
Hi, sorry to bring this topic back from the dead, but I have a question about this M1 Carbine:
I have been looking to purchase this and was wondering is the gun worth the purchase? I have read the very limited reviews out there and also notice it is not common to find. I work with radios in my living history group and in airsoft WWII skirmishes and know something in this fashion would be the cats meow for a comm. impression. I am so tempted to purchase it, but don't want the glory of a GBB to blind the reality of what it really is.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 10, 2016 0:12:10 GMT -5
If you think you can keep shots fired to perhaps 300 a year this rifle MIGHT be capable of holding up to four years of use! As cool and appropriate as it might seem for your impression if you are anything but an occasional plinker I would stay WAY away from this gun.
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Post by Kipp on Sept 10, 2016 13:10:31 GMT -5
Looks like my ICS M1 Garand is going to remain my workhorse (no worries for me, I pledge by that rifle)! Thanks a bunch for the heads up and information, my wallet and I thank you!
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Post by tommygunner9 on Jul 24, 2017 2:17:27 GMT -5
Is this King Arms M1 Carbine the correct color of wood? When I owned my Marushin M1 Carbine, it came with a beautiful, dark walnut wood finish, which I assume is the correct color (at least according to The Pacific). The wood finish on this one seems a lot lighter. Is it correct?
Also, M1 Garands were also dark walnut, right? Please let me know!
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 24, 2017 20:34:53 GMT -5
I found one website that said the main wood used was American black walnut, with some yellow birch also used. It said the birch was stained a darker color. The only approved stock treatment was raw linseed oil, which I believe darken with age.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 24, 2017 23:54:06 GMT -5
Indeed lindseed oil darkens with exposure to sunlight. As with any stain additional costs will progressively darken your stock. Stop when it's a bit lighter than the effect you want. Be extremely mindful that rags soaked in lindseed oil are capable of spontaneous combustion so don't throw them in your garbage in the garage.
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