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Post by luftwelle93 on Sept 2, 2015 9:15:27 GMT -5
I was thinking that maybe in the future there can be airsoft games based on an alternate version of the World Wars.With WWI we can have the timeline extended to about the time WWII came around.The uniforms would be more modernized (WWII-era uniforms mixed with WWI gear and other items) with equipment and weaponry.Trench warfare could be a feature with more fluid advances and such.I feel this would be very cool and make things much interesting.With alternate WWII there could be a scenario where forces are even more advanced.More modern guns would be allowed and equipment to add an advanced look to the games.
What do you all think?This could be fun for something in between WWII airsoft games.
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Post by Navy Doc on Sept 2, 2015 16:27:14 GMT -5
I would love to get in on some WWI airsoft! I don't have a kit yet, but if there are actual events I could wear it to, I'd start working on one.
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 2, 2015 22:36:16 GMT -5
Hush, or you'll have the purists all over you! LOL
It could be interesting to extrapolate where things might have gone with WWI. There was tremendous progress during the war. Unfortunately, you'd probably have to do a lot of custom work with weapons to stay in the realm of plausible. The Germans would probably have deployed more MP-18's. The Americans would have fully deployed the BAR (originally called, I just found out, the BMR, Browning Machine Rifle), along with the Pedersen Device, effectively making the Springfield a submachinegun. The French, by the end of the war, had deployed a couple models of self-loading rifle with their machine gun nest hunting squads (the French don't get enough credit for tactical innovation).
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Post by stuka on Sept 2, 2015 23:31:46 GMT -5
I am not to sure if the pederson device would have taken off, it seems more likely that they would try to copy off the french for a semi auto rifle assuming it went well.
The french rifles had weird capacities that I still don't understand, fir they had the 8 round bolties then their new rifles had 3 that had to be loaded with clips... I don't understand why they would put their soldiers at such a disadvantage
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Post by luftwelle93 on Sept 3, 2015 9:03:53 GMT -5
I am all for WWI-alternate airsoft.It would be hard to imagine what the weaponry or gear would be like.We could only guess what it would of been.By 1918 the war started to get more fluid and some open ground conflicts.I would love to assemble a quasi-WWI German kit (alternate circa-1925).This is something that would be great to set up.There is a game where the war lasted into 1964 called Iron Storm.
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 3, 2015 11:02:25 GMT -5
The French suffered from making a bad decision right at the start. They were in a hurry to produce a "modern" small caliber cartridge, so they based the 8mm Lebel on their existing rimmed black powder cartridge, which gave it the weird bottle shape and screwed up their weapons for the next forty years. They probably would have changed it if WWI hadn't broken out when it did. When the Lebel was designed everybody was impressed with the tubular magazine of the Henry and Winchester rifles. The Swiss used it on their Vetterli rifle and the French did the same with the Lebel. Another bad decision. On the plus side, the French were developing what could have been the first assault rifle, the Ribeyrolle M1918, if the war hadn't ended. It used an 8x35mm cartridge (the STG44 used 7.92x33mm), and a 25 round mag. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeyrolle_1918_automatic_carbine
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Post by stuka on Sept 3, 2015 11:22:02 GMT -5
While I like the capacity of the lebel, I don't know how well it operated but if you're in trench warfare you're going to want as much ammo as possible as seen with the trench magazine modifications. If there is a mass of troops coming at you accuracy isn't too important but rate of fire is.
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Post by insterburger on Sept 4, 2015 17:34:18 GMT -5
The French suffered from making a bad decision right at the start. They were in a hurry to produce a "modern" small caliber cartridge, so they based the 8mm Lebel on their existing rimmed black powder cartridge, which gave it the weird bottle shape and screwed up their weapons for the next forty years. They probably would have changed it if WWI hadn't broken out when it did. Yes, the French were unlucky when it came to the timing of WWI, for the reason you state. The British, however, were quite lucky. They had perceived shortcomings in the SMLE-- more with the ammo than the rifle itself-- and were in the process of replacing it with a Mauser-derived design when the war forced them to go all in on the Lee-Enfield. Some adjustments to the ammunition were made and we all know the rest of the story: the SMLE has a well-deserved reputation as one of the finest infantry rifles of all time. Certainly if I had to choose a bolt action rifle common during the world wars to use in a fire fight, the Enfield would top my list.
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Post by DRK on Sept 5, 2015 10:21:13 GMT -5
I think your better off doing an extended Korean War game with some WW2 Kit.
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Post by Dracul on Sept 5, 2015 10:31:52 GMT -5
I might the only one here, but I'd love/dream to see a Wolfenstein: A New Order scenario. To those who don't know, this Wolfenstein takes place in the 1960's where Germany won WWII and German engineering got extremely advanced. Pretty much a sci-fi thing at this point, but its filled with futuristic G3 and Luger type weapons, belt-fed shotguns, lasers, power armor, panzer hounds (robot dogs)!
One can only dream right?
Getting back on topic, I think its fair to say that ZB.26 would be much more prevalent.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Sept 5, 2015 12:52:59 GMT -5
Oh a more advanced WW2 Event would be sweet!If the war lasted by 1946 the STG 44 would be more prevalent.Uniforms would be changed too (for example the M44 tunic which saw limited use would be seen more by the end of '45).I read that the M56 helmet most famous by East Germany was a rejected design during WW2.Perhaps this helmet would of been used if the war had gone on for longer.Its easy for me to speculate what the Germans kit would of been like but what of the Allies?
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Post by ssgjoe on Sept 5, 2015 16:31:30 GMT -5
I've thought about making a short film based on an alternate WWII history set from like 1941-1049. In the film, Imperial Germany was Allied with Britain against Imperial Russia. The communist rebellion was unsuccessful, so the reign of Czars continued. Germans were using M18 helmets early "WWII" because they didn't have a large war earlier to prompt the production of steel helmets. Some rear line troops would still be wearing picklehaubes.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Sept 5, 2015 17:42:47 GMT -5
That sound badass!
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