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Post by kngsix on Jul 2, 2017 22:21:07 GMT -5
Original post: airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=183410&highlight=ArisakaS&T Type 38 Infantry Rifle - Air Cocking Rifle Release date in August (Reserved goods) 29.800 Yen (Free Shipping) Tax Included S&T Type 38 infantry rifle air cocking model. Real wood stock with a oil finish. The Magazine is a short type inserted on the bottom of the gun and holds 26 rounds. The Magazine is different from the feed system on the actual gun, but it is easier to use in a Skirmish. Specifications Lenght : 129 Cm Weight: 3.2 Kg Calibre: 6mm Caseless Magazine Capacity: 26 Rounds Buttstock: Wood with oil finish Mechanism: Aircocking Bolt action (Spring) with Hopup Information obtained from Rakuten item.rakuten.co.jp/mokei-paddock/600312/International Release will probably be in one or two years as Japan will be getting first release batch. Stand by for reviews upon product release. __________________
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Post by Dracul on Jul 3, 2017 6:22:03 GMT -5
Did they actually fix one of the major problems with their 1903? I'm actually surprised they learned from the horrible mag design from it.
Hopefully is a true VSR-10 clone as well. If it is, this could be a big deal.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 3, 2017 9:24:44 GMT -5
Yes yes yes yes yes!! This would fill so many voids in our hobby all at once (provided it isn't complete trash, of course.)
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Post by Dracul on Jul 3, 2017 10:17:37 GMT -5
It would actually make the Pacific Theatre actually doable.
Maybe its just me being nitpicky, but don't you think that if they were designing the rifle from the ground up, that they should have made the magazines and magwell brown to blend better with the wood stock?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 3, 2017 20:08:31 GMT -5
This EXTREMELY encouraging. It appears to be based on an M24 Springer. No comment on FPS but if so it's probably 400 FPS plus. One thought though is that Japan is probably their primary target market and if so < 320 fps is probably where it will be.
Coloring the mag bottoms is certainly easy enough. The Arisaka was a very thin rifle so a VSR10 might have proven to be too thick. I wonder if any would have the emperors Crysenthemum markings? That would be cool.
S&T must follow it up with a Kar 98 and Enfield. Assuming this base set up proves skirmishable.
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Post by stuka on Jul 4, 2017 14:17:00 GMT -5
Interesting that they include a dust cover? Anyways, I might have to dust off the old ija kit (and rebuy bits that were unfortunetly stolen)
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Post by Dracul on Jul 5, 2017 6:04:10 GMT -5
This EXTREMELY encouraging. It appears to be based on an M24 Springer. No comment on FPS but if so it's probably 400 FPS plus. One thought though is that Japan is probably their primary target market and if so < 320 fps is probably where it will be. Coloring the mag bottoms is certainly easy enough. The Arisaka was a very thin rifle so a VSR10 might have proven to be too thick. I wonder if any would have the emperors Crysenthemum markings? That would be cool. S&T must follow it up with a Kar 98 and Enfield. Assuming this base set up proves skirmishable. If it is really based off the M24 system, and uses its parts, its already much better than the 1903. Uses a 90 degree sear set up, and actually be reliable and have after market parts. It will be decently priced for all that, too. If they do that for Japan, I think we will likely get ours with a more powerful spring. Countries with strict and low FPS like this are usually the exception to what the rest would get. I may be wrong though. But hey, if they use a popular system, upgrading the spring will be simple. I wasn't thinking for them to paint it, but rather just mold the magazines with brown plastic entirely from the getgo.
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Post by halfnelson on Jul 5, 2017 6:24:46 GMT -5
This is amazing news! My guess is that it's based on the extremely rare and pricey KTW Type 38 springer, except this one has a detachable magazine whereas the KTW has an internal reservoir. Externally the S&T looks pretty good and the dimensions seems pretty much spot on, although the finish looks alot better on the KTW (would be strange otherwise, as the KTW is 5 times as expensive and is pretty much hand crafted/assembled). I have the KTW (long with a Tanaka Type 99) and you can see how that one looks on the pics below:
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 5, 2017 8:54:09 GMT -5
Beautiful rifles, halfnelson. Too bad they're rarer than rocking horse poo and more expensive than a human kidney.
I think if someone knows the customer service address of S&T, we should all send them encouraging emails to let them know we are in love with this potential offering and they should keep it up.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 5, 2017 10:29:31 GMT -5
I agree completely with Shifty. Your rifles look stunning half Nelson. A bunch of letters to S & T would be worthwhile. The finish on the wood is easy (and in my opinion) kind of fun.
The Pacific in so many ways lends itself better to Airsoft than the MTO or ETO as contact ranges tended to be much closer and fights were often elimination battles to the death. Small unit, encounters and patrolling were even more commonplace and an IJN set up seems like a fairly straight forward impression.
It would be awesome to do a PTO event.
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Post by halfnelson on Jul 6, 2017 5:08:22 GMT -5
Thank you guys! Indeed, they are very nice rifles (both externally and in performance); the craftmanship is second to none! Nothing wobbles, rattles etc. 2nd Bat, I agree 100%! The wood finish is not a deal breaker by any means as it's relatively easy to mend and it's a fun process. Even if the finish on the metal isn't great, that's nothing as well. A Type 38 springer for under 300 dollars? I'd be happy even if the stock was made out of plastic! Oh and by the way, if anyone wish to see a more detailed review of both rifles I'd be happy to type something up!
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Post by stuka on Jul 7, 2017 16:46:21 GMT -5
The only contact email I found on their website is saleshk@smartteamhk.com I also couldn't find anything on their website about the type 38 so it could just be that website released info too early or something.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 8, 2017 0:25:32 GMT -5
I for one would like to see a write up on your rifles HalfNelson. As for S &T it couldn't hurt to write the HK email address you provided Stuka. I just wrote them in hopes whoever they are they can pass what we say on. I also mentioned this site in my email.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 18, 2017 18:38:20 GMT -5
www.fortress-web.com/smp/item/2500000107375.htmlAnother Japanese site has more information about this gun. Inner barrel and hopup bucking are confirmed as VSR compatible. They also list spare magazines for pre-order at ¥1728 each (about $15.)
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Post by stuka on Jul 19, 2017 6:13:58 GMT -5
It looks kind of like you can currently order it from them? Anybody here who can read japanese?
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Post by Dracul on Jul 19, 2017 6:14:55 GMT -5
Ugghh... Just the inner barrel and hopup bucking are VSR compatible.... the action better be. And the $300 price point better get them to do actual QA and QC.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 19, 2017 8:49:51 GMT -5
It looks kind of like you can currently order it from them? Anybody here who can read japanese? I can read some Japanese, it says it's on pre-order (新製品予約 means "new product reservation.") Several Japanese sites I visited researching this have it for pre-order too, and they all claim that it will arrive next month. I think that the action actually doesn't have to be compatible with VSR parts, as long as it is upgradeable with parts from a common system (APS2, AEG, etc.) or uses proprietary parts made of quality materials that can handle a more powerful spring and the stresses of combat firing. Sure, it would be more inconvenient to have to hunt down different parts, but it wouldn't be the end of the world in my view. I'm completely with Drac in that the QC has to improve from that of the M1903, though.
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Post by stuka on Jul 19, 2017 9:55:42 GMT -5
That's very cool, do you know if any of the websites with it on pre-order ship outside Japan?
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Post by Dracul on Jul 19, 2017 10:50:31 GMT -5
Shifty, you get what I mean, haha. Any system with aftermarket parts would be most ideal.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 19, 2017 16:58:06 GMT -5
They probably do ship outside of Japan, but the shipping will cost you your first born child and you're getting something that will shoot 280 fps and have unknown parts compatibility. If you want one, go for it, but personally I'm going to wait for the North American version to be released.
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Post by kngsix on Jul 19, 2017 22:25:41 GMT -5
They probably do ship outside of Japan, but the shipping will cost you your first born child and you're getting something that will shoot 280 fps and have unknown parts compatibility. If you want one, go for it, but personally I'm going to wait for the North American version to be released. It's also stupid fast, all my gear (Modern) is imported from Japan. 2-3 days from the other side of the world. The longest delay was 4 days because the local postie decided he didn't want to deliver a big box that day. Waiting for international release isn't a bad ideal. We can learn more about the product from Japanese airsofters before deciding to purchase or not. Plus we'd have better product images than what is currently available.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Jul 27, 2017 8:19:31 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 27, 2017 21:31:14 GMT -5
For a real wood, VSR based limited production WW2 replica sub $300.00 seems like a very good deal to me. especially if it's 400 fps outta the box! Can a similar Kar 98 and Enfield be far behind? Hot diggity!
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Post by shiftysgarand on Aug 3, 2017 18:59:10 GMT -5
The Type 38 is now marked Out of Stock on Evike. Whether that means they have already arrived or just that the initial batch has been all reserved I don't know, but it shows there is a demand for it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 5, 2017 15:51:30 GMT -5
That bodes well for future acquisitions assuming the initial consumer reviews are good.
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Post by stuka on Aug 5, 2017 16:11:25 GMT -5
Apparently they're doing September preorders at full price now
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Post by shiftysgarand on Aug 5, 2017 16:32:53 GMT -5
That's the market at work for ya. Hopefully other companies will notice this selling well and offer their own Arisakas, Enfields, Mosins, and Mausers.
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Post by kngsix on Aug 8, 2017 18:20:40 GMT -5
Apparently they're doing September preorders at full price now Confirmation from Japanese Twittersphere with delay on product release. It's been pushed from August to Mid-late September.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 13, 2017 20:52:39 GMT -5
It indicates a 360 to 400 fps which is significantly better than the S &T Springfield which needs more oooomph for a bolt action in my opinion. I found with bolt action Springer the sweet spot between ease of cocking and power is around 400 fps .20 gram. A more powerful spring action and it's just too hard for most of us to cock at the shoulder. If you have to drop it down to cock it's too hard to stay competitive.
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Post by hunterj on Apr 6, 2018 11:37:33 GMT -5
Where can you buy spare magazines?
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