Post by YankeeDiv26 on Nov 9, 2007 18:05:07 GMT -5
Small level (such as squad based) tactics are relatively to easy to nail down the very basics of, but very difficult to perfect imo. I'm sure everybody's made mistakes (in the real military or not) at some point, some more than others. On my training weekend we did a lot of these tactics extensively over a 3 day peroid, and the level of improvement was pretty darn dramatic, and we're in no way the real military!!
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Nov 21, 2007 15:41:29 GMT -5
I am new to WWII Airsoft. When you first started WWII Airsoft did you think commands, signals, and strategies were hard to understand. Did you make allot of mistakes.
Honestly, I didn’t find or think command signals and squad strategies were or are hard to understand. Implementation in an Airsoft fire fight makes for the real challenge! I often experience in an Airsoft firefight everyone “dumping ammo” and engaging at once. Rarely do I ever see fire teams used effectively or appropriately. And the list goes on of other squad related tactics that are not or cannot be used effectively in Airsoft.
To truly apply tactics in game situations you have to conceptually understand the concepts. Formations, Fire and manuever, movement by bounds, basic tactics etc. The concepts are easy and can be learned in a book. Just as you can't learn to swim by reading a book or watching a video sqaud tactics also have to be learned by practice and rehearsal. Good airsoft teams like the real military guys train and rehearse initially with chock talks and sand table demonstrations followed by slow motion walk throughs and repetition until all expectations and challenges to actually doing are worked out and the actions become instinctive.
All the practice and rehearsal should be done without opposition until they are somewhat capable of being applied. The great thing about airsoft is that you can then apply them to a skirmish situation over and over again and learn from the positive and negative impact (literally) of doing them either right or wrong.
They are the hardest, simple things you have ever learned. Done well they are overwhelmingly effective against unskilled opposition.
Last Edit: Mar 18, 2008 19:27:47 GMT -5 by 2nd Bat
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I agree with everything John wrote (as usual), but I'd add without a common frame of reference, it doesn't mean a thing. If only you know the hand signals or tactics, it doesn't help if nobody else knows. It's really very common in re-enacting, where folks claim to be very skilled in tactics, yet often go "Hey diddle diddle, straight up the middle" single file to the slaughter. I've watched it happen at every single event I've ever gone to (although every single group and unit I've seen do it would deny it to their dying day that they did so). You need everyone with you on the same page, all acting like the fingers on the same hand. You rarely see this in folks who aren't doing it for a living as it takes more practice than almost anyone wants to do. I've been to plenty of paintball (from many years ago) and airsoft events where I'll come up on something, instinctively give hand signals to everyone behind me and almost every time, someone far back behind me would yell out, "WHAT? What's going on up there?"... …cut to scene of a very angry me, sitting in the dead pool! But as for me learning WW2 tactics and such, I did this backwards from most folks. I got into WW2 re-enacting before I messed with any modern tactics, so I first learned the WW2 stuff, THEN had the nightmare of unlearning everything when I went through Army ROTC years later. Now, I have modern stuff beat into me, I doubt I'd react in WW2 fashion like I would have back in the early 90s...
Airsoft is sooo much fun when you operate with a group that even sort of gets it. There are some local groups here that are legitimately getting very very good and it's fun to watch. Inevitably their opponents think they are cheating they become so overwhealming.
One comment is that all the tactics and training are pretty much lost if hi cap magazines and spray and pray mentality sinks in since many of the manuever skills at the close range of airsoft lose a great deal of their effectiveness if someone with an endless hose of BBs is allowed to dominate a sector by himself.
Few airsoft events have the scale and numbers of participant to require even platoon sized tactics although that is gradually changing as the events continue to grow.
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Post by shadycadence on Oct 30, 2008 18:33:56 GMT -5
We're spoiled up here in MN. The MAA gives a class or two every year called BATC (basic airsoft training course) which covers safety, on-field health, carrying positions, firing positions, firing drills(including mag swaps), communications, hand signals, squad movements (including cover-and-fire, formations, peel-outs, etc.), LACE reports (liquids, ammo, casualties, equipment), night games and objective-based games. It starts Fri. night, and ends Sun. afternoon. First you practice in the open, then you do a walk-through in the woods against the OPFOR, then you square off against the OPFOR. Half of the final exam is an oral test, the other half is a mini-op with objectives against the OPFOR. Of course this is all modern-based, but the skills learned apply (and work well) anywhere. The cadre of instructors includes former military and police personnel, the OPFOR is all BATC grads and MAA members. It definitely took my game up a few notches. ;D (If you ever get the chance to play a night game and have about 8 AEG's with tracers open up on you at the same time, do it! it's a total rush! ) Something like this for WW2 would be a good idea, if anyone has the time/energy/land.
I am also new to ww2 airsofting and the hand signal page is very helpful.
As for an ww2 airsoft training event, i have been to many open wilderness areas with my boy scout troop, and the best areas that loook good for that sort of thing is northern Wisconsin, but that may be far off for a lot of us.
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