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Post by Russian on Oct 12, 2005 17:13:54 GMT -5
Ok, just to elaborate...persnickety can eb used there, but it is usualy used to refer to a living creature, just a usage note...can confuse soem ppl...
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Post by BLACKHAWK on Oct 27, 2005 3:05:07 GMT -5
so everyone that has them would recommend getting .45 bbs over .34... i am going to buy one, would you say stuff the .34 bbs and just purchase .45?
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Oct 27, 2005 17:27:29 GMT -5
yea get the.45 bbs
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Post by 2nd bat on Oct 28, 2005 22:38:55 GMT -5
It'll come with a small bag of .34s (maybe 100 rounds of 8mm) I ordered two bags of 500 BBs in .45 and have since ordered another 1,000 round bag as I shot through the first bags already. The .45 gram definitely shoot better as does the gun once several hundred rounds go through it. Don't know why it just does. I alsao ordered several additional cans of HFC .34 as since you can imagine the gun is a bit of a gas hog!
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Post by BLACKHAWK on Oct 30, 2005 22:35:30 GMT -5
Cheers guyz
in the end of ordered both .34 and .45 500 round bags. because of the whole work in period of the gun, i also got that peice that can break, part 45 or watever + the others that come with it.....
cheers guys for your quick posts
i will add on here wat the fps is with the .34, temperature and accuracy at 30 40 and 50 meters
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Post by BLACKHAWK on Nov 7, 2005 5:43:48 GMT -5
just recieved mine, chronoed at 19 degrees C, with hopup nearlly off, it was shooting at 270 fps constant with 3 - 5 deviations with .34 bbs
if you convert that to joules its shooting at 1.15 joules, converting that into .2 bbs, then it would have a fps rating of 350 fps.
Ive tighten most of the screws that i could see, ive noticed though the guns internals are very dry, just more of the gas parts, and seals, im going to silicon them tomorrow and see if there is a slight increase in the fps
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Post by BLACKHAWK on Nov 8, 2005 14:24:20 GMT -5
when i ordered the gun i also ordered a repleacement part 45.
so i wasnt to worried to test it out with propane.
these are the results
M1 Garands 1st chrono tests
with HFC134a - hopup set about right and about 20 - 21 degrees using .34 bbs
280 285 274
average about 280 with .34bbs and 20 - 21 degrees
with Green gas (propane) - same hopup and same temperature
450 445 438
average of about 445 with .35bbs and 20 - 21 degrees
for people that dont know the difference in shooting with the different weights, its means alot, if you dont understand just read below.
with HFC134a its shooting about 360 - 380 fps if i was using .2g bbs with Green Gas or propane its shooting about 570 fps if i was using .2g bbs
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Post by BLACKHAWK on Nov 8, 2005 14:27:13 GMT -5
just 1 more note that i did notice, i would edit my post but i cant :/
after shooting with propane, i noticed that the guns shot so much better with 134a, actually it was like a million times better, just wondering if the extra pressure helped clean something out in the gun, such as the origional oil that the lubed the gun with at manafactoring
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Post by gunfreak on Nov 15, 2005 7:02:38 GMT -5
like most guns that are made of metal(alteast the reciver) need a break in period,
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Post by 2nd bat on Nov 18, 2005 18:28:13 GMT -5
I suspect it's a two fold effect of loosening slightly some tolerances created by metal finishes and reduction of the initial lubricant coatings. I definitely saw an increase in power after several hundred rounds. I have not tried green gas yet but with the cooler temperatures probably will.
I absolutely love the gun and encourage any and all WW2 fans to invest in this weapon. Do understand that it needs lots of familiarization prior to skirmishing as it is somewhat tricky to use. With eight rounds per clip you really want to make each shot count and want to get good at changing clips.
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Post by Guinness on Nov 18, 2005 19:52:01 GMT -5
Wheee! Mine is on the way- Since reviews of this weapons system abound I will just take some nice pictures of 'betsy' when she arrives- See? I've already named her ;D -G
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Post by Masterchief89 on Nov 29, 2005 15:02:05 GMT -5
is it worth playing a game with though???
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Post by gunfreak on Nov 29, 2005 15:32:32 GMT -5
in spring and summer time yes, maybe early fall, but it will be useless in winter(like most gas weapons..)
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Post by 2nd bat on Nov 29, 2005 19:28:40 GMT -5
If everyone had realistic load outs. And the mix of types of weapons was accurate (Most riflemen with rifles and an appropriate number of sub machine guns. (one in three or four) Also if bolt action rifles held 5 rounds, Thompsons and MP-40s had 30 etc. Then the gun would be very skirmishable in the spring and summer.
Unfortunately if the Pilgrims had shot a skunk insead of a turkey Thanksgiving would be a very different holiday as well. That's a mighty big IF! Happily there seems to be a movement in that direction in the NW!
I got a confirmed kill (and another probable) with mine last summer. (Great position and lots of patience). The limitations forced me to make the Garand AEGs which I'm delighted with and got multiple eliminations with last weekend.
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Post by hahaha on Dec 20, 2005 22:12:24 GMT -5
does the m1 garand on den trinitys site come with the sling
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 23, 2005 1:14:39 GMT -5
No
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Post by chief on Dec 25, 2005 9:47:36 GMT -5
alright guys..i just got my garand today and soo far it was working fine. i want to know tho why when i fill it sometimes, the gas just empties all out when i pull the trigger. i would like to kno what to do to prevent this and why when i fire, the bb's dont go hardly anywhere.. please help me...also... can i use green gas? ??
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 25, 2005 10:53:24 GMT -5
Dont use Green Gas!!
strip your gun down and tighten all the screws, you'll have to take the slide off too, because there are 2 screws under it that you cant get to with it on.
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Post by Masterchief89 on Dec 25, 2005 10:59:38 GMT -5
i have this gas called forane 134a ...is that ok to use?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 29, 2005 22:55:04 GMT -5
Yes. Forane 134A is a bad Japanese to English translation for "Freon 134a"
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Post by bataanscout on Jan 22, 2006 21:54:38 GMT -5
Hi guys, what do you say is the minimum engagement distance when skirmishing with the Garand shooting 134a and .34 BB's? I don't know how hard a .34 8mm BB hits. I don't want to hurt anybody.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 28, 2006 2:07:57 GMT -5
Interestingly the .34s fire at less velocity then the .45s (has to do with inertia and the barrel length) There is a calculator for translating the joules (impact power) of various weight Bbs at various velocities which could conceivably allow you to adapt your engagment ranges to the field requirements based on .20 gram BBs.
Energy Calculations For Airsoft
The calculation is easy: Remember the formula is good for the metric system only and all your figures must therefore be in SI.Kinetic Energy = (mass x velocity squared) all divided by 21. Example: let's use a 0.20g BB fired at 100 meters per second (Remember the formula takes the BB in kg or you will have too many zeros in the result). So 0.20g = 0.0002 kg.KE = (0.2 grams x 100 meters per second squared) all divided by 2KE = (0.0002 kg x 10000)/2KE = (2)/2KE = 1 joule2. Example: with a 0.25g bb fired at 95 m/s. Ok so 0.25g = 0.00025 kg.KE = (0.25 g x 89 m/s squared)/2KE = (0.00025g x 7921)/2KE = (1.98025)/2KE = 0.99 JouleConclusion:With a 0.20g bb the AEG cannot fire more than 100 m/s (328.084 fps)With a 0.25g bb the AEG cannot fire more than 89 m/s (291.995 fps)
The 328 fps speed limit is ONLY for 0.20 gram BBs. If you fired a 0.45g bb at 328 fps the Kinetic Energy would be 2.25 Joule !!!KE=(0.00045x10000)/2KE=2.25 Joule
The brand of BB as well as the weight has a bearing here as a smoother, larger circumference BB will fly faster out of the barrel since a tighter fit accepts more energy from the piston. Be sure to chrono with the same brand (and weight) of BB.
And you thought your high school math and physics class would never come in handy!!!!!
My own feeling is if your group has a 20 foot minimum engagement rule (which most fields or groups seem to have.) You're probably just fine with the .34 Gram. On minimum engagment distances my own preference is 10 foot and it's not that I'm a glutton for punishment or enjoy inflicting pain. It's more a case of "I personally am okay with it and I've found few people seem to have an accurate sense for how far 20 feet is and they end up "surrendering people" who are more then 35 feet away and probably wouldn't have hit anyway.
I tested this prior to a game by asking everyone from where they stood to instantly calculate how far 20 foot away is. Everyone had a different guess and most picked a location 30 feet away or more!!!! The they get mad when you shoot them at 20 feet away or get mad when you surrender them at 15!!!!!
As for your Garand, Talk it over with the folks you play with and perhaps have someone shoot you at various ranges to see honestly what your feeling of impact on the 8mm .34 grams is vs 20 gram 6mm. They hit slightly harder I've noticed but frankly not all that much different (especially beyond 20 feet) Also consider and remind them you're semi auto and aren't going to be aggressively spray and praying with an 8 round clip!
Your group might insist you play under sniper rules but honestly that doesn't seem right. It's not an especially accurate weapon at long range and certainly doesn't have the range of my 6mm gas carbine. They do however seem to notice the single or double hits from the Garand!!!!
I hope that helps.
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Post by silencer on Jan 29, 2006 1:55:06 GMT -5
I have read through all 6 pages as people have posted. But, I don't know, is it really worth the money? Does it perform at the 500 dollar mark? Also, once complete, how much did it cost for you guys (where did you buy it for that cost).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 29, 2006 3:33:11 GMT -5
Value for the dollar is a completely individualistic subjective opinion. Based on my expectation and actual experience I am delighted with the Garand and see it as an excellent value. I got mine from WGC along with the 10 spare clips. I got the rubber Garand Bayonet off Ebay (originally from Saving Private Ryan) and Leather sling from Ebay. I would not see it as a practical value if it were my ONLY airsoft gun.
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Post by dualdragons on Jan 31, 2006 22:03:12 GMT -5
I have read through all 6 pages as well, though I still must ask something. Its mainly for 2nd Bat:
I own a TM M1A1 Thompson and I love it. However, in recent games I noticed that I've been having more opportunities to get in one or two solid hits at a medium to long distance rather than a spray of BBs close up. Since I use WWII fatigues and I'm a big fan of the war, I was thinking the Garand would be a good gun for me. So here it is: You said that your gas carbine out ranges the M1 garand, what gun is that? I want the best gun, not the best looking gun, though if there isnt too much of a difference I might make an exception. Would you consider the Garand an accurate long range weapon?
I also would like to know if the Garand is durable. I am clear on the fact that its metal and wood construction, but because of the complication of the gun and all the moving parts, it would surprise me if nothing fatal came loose if you fell on it. How durable would you say it is?
PS: I've searched about 4 different forums for all the information on the Garand and none have been as helpful as this. Thanx for put'n in the time guys, I appreciate it!
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 7, 2006 21:33:12 GMT -5
great movie by the way. It should be nominated for a WW2 airsoft Oscar. (although i think i would vote for the gordaks lost grandma video). I'm losing sleep over choosing a thompson with a UHC .45 or the Garand with 10 clips. I'm new to ww2 airsoft and i think im gonna go with the thompson. I wanna know how the ranges of each compare and thier accuracies. Also what is the weight of the Garand
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Post by bataanscout on Feb 10, 2006 0:25:29 GMT -5
I finally got my Garand. It wouldn't hold gas in the beginning so I disassembled it and tightened all the screws as suggested in many posts. Then it held on to the gas and I was able to fire it.
Questions: 1) I was able to fire a few clips but then it stopped firing. It seemed to stop holding gas again. I had to disassemble it and tighten screws again. Is this par for the course?
2) When I load the clip, two BB's chamber. Do you guys have that problem?
3) When I load the clip, the bolt automatically closes. I saw PFC Mills' video and he released the bolt manually after loading the clip. Am I doing it wrong?
Thanks.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Feb 10, 2006 7:41:03 GMT -5
When Reloading the gun, the action it is supposed to close auto matically, I just closed it manually for the video.
If 2 bb's are chambered when you 1st load the clip, it means the slide is closing to slow, if you just let it close by itself it shoudnt chamber 2 bbs.
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Post by bataanscout on Feb 10, 2006 17:20:17 GMT -5
This is my first gas gun so I wouldn't know any better. How long is a can of HFC134a supposed to last with the Garand? I think mine is about empty now and I only started experimenting with the gun last night. It could be because of all the leaking. I'd appreciate a baseline from you guys though. How many shots does a can last you? Thanks.
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Post by Guinness on Feb 10, 2006 18:39:39 GMT -5
A couple more tips to add to PFC Mills very complete review and assistance- -Always 'charge' the weapon before gasing up-[/b] unless you cock the gun, i.e. pull the operating rod ( slide) back and charge the weapon, gas will vent out every time. -Try reversing the overflow valve-[/b] This step is reasonably advanced so I caution you, be very careful because these valves are not availiable as replacement parts that I have seen yet- but follow the pictures below and the instructions on the valve, www.coloradoairsoft.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=765and that will allow you to actually use GreenGas- again, another *Caution* is warranted- this is an expensive weapon and prefers HFC134a, use GreenGas at your own risk.....and the risk of the infamous 'part45' ;D But really that step should prevent further venting issues ...and I have been using GreenGas safely since I got mine. -G
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