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Post by spitfire740 on Dec 15, 2005 20:31:17 GMT -5
which gun do you reccomend I get, the tokyo marui thompson or the M1 Carbine? I've never dealt with gas guns, but I am fairly familiar with AEG's. I'm just afraid I'll screw up with a gas gun, so I'm afraid to get one. What do you guys think?
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Post by johnyopportunity on Dec 15, 2005 21:43:19 GMT -5
I bought the Carbine because there are to many people with Thompson's. But not having full or even semi auto can realy hurt in a game.
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Post by gunfreak on Dec 16, 2005 5:35:45 GMT -5
Thompson=easy, and relatively cheap, Carbine= freaking expensive mags. like Fifi bucks.. per. mag.. not a true semi,(doesn't really hurt the game, it's mostly anoying...)
and yes there are to many Thompson's, on the field, and if you're gonna buy a gas gun then the Carbine is probably the easiest Gas gun you're gonna find..
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 16, 2005 7:35:27 GMT -5
it cant really hurt in to have a 1 shot gun, when you againts K98s, which are one shot as well, so your not handy capping yourself by getting one, just on the same level as the kar 98 guys
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Post by Guinness on Dec 19, 2005 1:47:18 GMT -5
I've never shot or seen a k98 on the field- (at least not yet) are they the 420+ fps monsters that the Carbines are? Also I chrono'd my Garand for the first time today, she was in the 480 range consistantly with green gas and that was in a 30 degree fahrenheit warehouse (it was 15 deg outside)- So I guess that pretty much means RFC134a this summer which bums me out....oh well, better to use weak gas and play, than hotter green gas and not be able to field it or have to replace the infamous 'part 45'! -G
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Post by Gordak on Dec 19, 2005 18:11:14 GMT -5
the tanaka kar98s are more accurate than the marushin carbines, We have established that after numerous games. -Gordak
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Post by spitfire740 on Dec 19, 2005 22:41:02 GMT -5
I'm hoping to stay below $300 with a gun, without gas, extra clips, or tune-ups, so I was wondering which I should get. I found a package on airsoft extreme selling everything I'll ever need for some $420 for a thompson, so I was thinking about that, but there are already so many thompsons being used. So I'm still deciding on which gun I should get. What do you guys think? BTW, I'm doing an allied impression, so a kar wouldnt quite be for me.
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Post by mauser98k on Dec 20, 2005 0:00:19 GMT -5
Yea, when you think about it, the germans in airsoft dont have a problem about worrying about too many of a certain gun.
1. The kar 98s are the cheapest and were actually the most common germ weapon in ww2
2.It is rare seeing an mg42 or a mp44 on the field.
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Post by 2nd bat on Dec 23, 2005 1:29:33 GMT -5
I am extremely happy with my carbine and feels it's probably (along with the Kar98) The best skirmish right out of the box gas weapon. It's accurate and quite reliable. A couple spare magazines (at least one anyway) and you should be fine.
I find you can get more then three complete reloads of BBs on a single fill of gas. (with my 6mm carbine I get more then five reloads!) So if you figure 14 rounds per mag x 3 mags , x 3 1/2 reloads you've got 150 plus shots which will get you through a scenario usually.
I refill my magazines with BBs and gas while I'm in regen so I never seem to run out of ammo or gas during the action phase of a game.
The carbine is great. Though it's single shot the cocking extension allows you to fire quickly while still pointing down range. It takes a little practice and timing but it works great. I can usually have a second or third round "in the mail" before the first one hits during long range shots so people have been pretty good about "calling their hits."
It's nice having a gun that uses real wood and looks so good. It's short so it's manueverable in thick brush and quite light given the amount of metal and wood. I like being able to mount the carbine pouch holder on the stock so my spare mags are right there handy but you do have to slightly lengthen the flap snap so the somewhat larger magazines will fit.
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Post by gunfreak on Dec 23, 2005 4:56:18 GMT -5
i have 4 mags 3 are leaking, but i have room for 8 mags on my belt, so then i have to have 8 mags, 4 more mags are like $200 those gas mags are freaking expencive. i get a REAL steel Carbine mag for a buck
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 23, 2005 6:16:28 GMT -5
leaky mags, you must of over gassed them then.
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Post by Gordak on Dec 23, 2005 9:40:45 GMT -5
Question for you, Mills.
How does over gassing magazines cause them to leak permanently? -Gordak
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 23, 2005 13:57:07 GMT -5
if you over gas, you can break the seals, I had it happen, it was on my 1st gas gun, before I knew anything on how to take care of them, I was using green gas, and was putting WAY too much in, well, the mags started to leak, not to long after.
so I can only conclude that there was too much pressure in the clip causing one of the seals to break,
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 23, 2005 16:21:32 GMT -5
Pvt Mills,
There's a pressure release valve on the magazines so that shouldn't happen (technically) That doesn't mean it won't. Thankfully it's never happened to me. I just fill till juice squirts out. Incidently I've always used green gas with the carbine with no ill effects. We have moderate temperatures here in the NW.
I have five magazines with the carbine ($50.00 each with shipping on top) so yes factoring in the magazines is part of what you need to consider when pricing a gun. If I had it to do over I would have just gotten two spares as three magazines are probably enough for skirmishing. I've never lived long enough to have to get into the fourth or fifth spare and end up just dumping the gas at the end of the day. Shooting off multiple loads or pressing the release.
It's not a good idea to leave your magazines filled with Bbs or gas for a long time. I understand you are supposed a little gas in however.
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Post by Gordak on Dec 24, 2005 11:31:52 GMT -5
Green gas could cause a leak, but it doesnt matter how much you put in, wheather it be a tiny amount or a full tank is still 30 psi too much.
Dont use green gas!!!!!
-Gordak
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Post by gunfreak on Dec 25, 2005 4:49:10 GMT -5
leaky mags, you must of over gassed them then. i bought the gun used, and i came with 3 leaky mags, the rubber rings on the top is missing
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 25, 2005 17:33:58 GMT -5
Gordak,
I hate to disagree with you but I've had my Marushin Carbine for 6 years now and I have always used green gas in it with no ill effects. Others with carbines use green gas as well. I know most japaneses guns will not tolerate the more potent gas but since the carbine is not a blow back design it does fine. Again fairly moderate temperatures here in the NW which no doubt has a bearing but in the interest of anecdotal reporting I felt I should share my experience.
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Post by Guinness on Dec 25, 2005 20:55:10 GMT -5
I think brother Gordak's advice is for the best long-term use, stay within mfg guidelines- I have owned my 6mm Carbine as long as you John, but I only bought one mag with it originally- I too have always used the Green stuff, and the mag failed on me last month- now I have to take it apart and see if the local Home Depot can hook me up with O-rings in the correct sizes to make the repairs as those mags are made from 'un-obtainium' I guess the end result at this point is moot- if I had been using HFC134a all along it may have still been working and lasted a good while longer- but when it eventually fails, and sooner or later they all will, you can't keep those rings plyable forever they are still out of production and unavailable. -G
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Post by 2nd bat on Dec 26, 2005 12:38:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that. Do you think it was old age, lack of lubrication over time or the use of greengas? My guess is the greengas had very little role in the magazine going toes up. Who knows? If you can't find a replacement O ring let me know as I bought four spare magazines for my carbine and find I don't need five with the gun. I'll sell you one if you're interested.
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Post by Guinness on Dec 26, 2005 13:08:46 GMT -5
John, Thanks! I'd certainly buy one of those for the 6mm if you have one available! I suspect the time she has spent in the 'armory' (read- my closet ) collecting dust to be the culprit more than anything- I always tried to keep a little bit of air in the mag, but I have to admit that she was in the gun rack at very least a year with absolutley no oiling or periodic maint- and you know how dry a climate Denver is....... So anyway, yessir, let me know on my gmail account what you need for a mag and I will add it to the transaction we are already doing Now I need to get one of those repro butt-stock pouches! w00t! -G
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Post by 2nd bat on Dec 27, 2005 0:14:27 GMT -5
I'll e-mail directly and we'll just add it to your existing order. Say $56.00 which is no doubt what I'm in it with shipping from asia. I wish they still made the 6mm because I love mine and would certainly buy another.
We'll see if Schmitty can do his magic on the broken 8mm I bought. Otherwise I'm going to solidly seal the bolt and sell it as a non gun replica with a real magazine and then sell off the three 8mm magazines.
Note you have to lengthen the carbine pouches a little to accomodate the somewhat larger Marushin magazines. (Basic restitch but it was a pain.) Also note that you route the carbine sling off the stock oiler between the carbine mag pouch and the stock (not outside of it) so it'll hold the pouch flush down on the stock. Otherwise it tends to slide forward on the stock toward the trigger and is annoying. Your carbine tips of the day!
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Post by Guinness on Dec 27, 2005 0:20:13 GMT -5
You are a veritable font of intel as usual! but...uhh...hmmm you have got me thinking...... Since my 6mm Carbine is just sitting in the armory ( ) and I was going to get the extra mag from you and just keep her as a 'backup', or more likely sell her off because I love my 8mm M1A1 so much, then why don't I just let you have her? You would likely put her to use since you already have the mags to make her spit white-plastic love with and all! And your WWII group seems to be much better organized than ours is right now, so it could always be a good loaner weapon- Let me know what you think and maybe we'll just swap her for some of the gear we have been talking about- like you, I'd prefer to see 'Belinda' go to a good home ;D -G
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Post by savoy6 on Dec 27, 2005 1:43:25 GMT -5
hey 2nd bat,
let us know if you are going to sell the mags....i need a couple more for my 8mm carbine.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 27, 2005 12:26:13 GMT -5
I figured someone would need em. We'll wait and see how Schmitty does. My preference would be to get her up and functioning but failing that I figuered the magas alone would bust me out of what I paid for it.
I'll post if they become available.
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Post by ctp numskull on Aug 21, 2006 17:57:10 GMT -5
i would get the thompson,but the carbine is accurate at longe range.The thompson is the way 2 go because you can shoot auto or semi-auto. GET THE THOMPSON
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