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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 16, 2006 1:12:44 GMT -5
Howdy men.
I live in Minnesota, and am contemplating risking variety for function in the gun I'm about to purchase.
Correct me where I'm wrong:
Thompson- Pro: no maintenance, auto, cheap, strong, beautiful. Con: Weakening barrel joint, too many of them.
M1 Carbine: Pro: Beautiful, strong, cheap, different. Con: Gas is weak in the winter (how weak, btw?) single-shot, expensive mags, mags tend to leak, reloading during battle an issue, maintenance of a gas gun.
My question is this: Is the carbine's range (fps) and accuracy over the thompson worth the tradeoff for being a high-maintenance, single-shot gas gun? I wouldn't mind the cocking if it were a laser-shot, but I don't want to sacrifice auto-firewpower for a little more power, know what I mean?
So, all in all, can the carbine be an equally potent weapon as the thompson?
Or does the thompson beat it out in firepower?
Secondly, if the carbine can compete, is it worth the maintenance.
Thanks a bunch.
Michael, Spirited Trooper
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 16, 2006 1:43:15 GMT -5
oh... and would you recommend the 6mm or 8mm version of the carbine?
(i would think 8mm would hit harder)
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 16, 2006 12:08:34 GMT -5
I said Carbine, becuase the range exceeds the thompson by quite a bit (Not sure on the exact range) but I think its like 285 fps with 8mm BB's out of the box. Yes, the mags are expensive, but you only need like 2 or 3 mags, where as the thompson may require more mags becuase of the close range combat. It take 134a gas, or green gas, but i heard that green gas is just propane, so if you have any propane, like out in your grill you could use that in your gun.
I also want to add that you can cock the carbine so fast that it is almost the same as shooting semi-auto, so it is easily cocked.
8mm BB's do hit harder and are more accurate, but Ive never seen a 6mm Carbine, though I've heard of them. Sorry I couldnt be of more help.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 16, 2006 18:46:03 GMT -5
I agree that you can cock and fire it quickly almost to the degree of a semi automatic. It has a clever little front hand extension which although somewhat unattractive and unauthentic is removable. With it in place (if you shoot right handed)you can cock the rifle with your left hand used to support the weapon and your right index finger never needs to come off the trigger. Hence you can put a lot of rounds down range in a hurry. Your arm action is going to call alot more attention to your position however!
It definitely is more accurate and has greater range then a stock thompson. I have both a 6mm and an 8mm carbine and love them both. I agree that two or three spare mags is probably enough. You can reload BBs in each magazine at least 3 or 4 times on a single charge of gas from my experience. Now that Schmiddy showed me the most common cause of the leaky mags Upper "O" ring. and the simple fix it's really not much of an issue. A small amount of silicon glue on the attachment point of the "O" ring to the magazine
Performance in severe winter time will be dramatic anything below about 40 degrees in my experience renders them substantially less effective. They are at their best the warmer out it gets.
I also have a Thompson and have to say I love them both for very different reasons and would recommend either. Go with your gut on this one.
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 17, 2006 23:52:59 GMT -5
Alright. Thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 18, 2006 0:26:24 GMT -5
"but I think its like 285 fps with 8mm BB's out of the box"
Hmm, the Thompson should have the exact performance with 6mm bbs. Keep in mind that 8mm BBs cost more then the 6mm counterparts. In Canada it is 30 bucks for 500 0.34g Marushin BBs where as it is 25 bucks for 2500 high quality 0.20g 6mm BBs.
I have had a horid experience with the Kar98 from Marushin so I am a little more weiry, where as I do love all the TM guns I've owned
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 18, 2006 0:35:13 GMT -5
yeah but 8mm BB's are heavier, so its more accurate-alot more accurate. And 3 mags x 13 rounds= 39. So basically, you'll only need maybe 39 BB's a round, not even, where as some thompson mags hold 420 BB's in one clip. That's a bit of a money eater there.
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Post by Guinness on Jan 18, 2006 0:47:57 GMT -5
My 8mm spit's 'plastic lead' out at 420fps avg. with greengas using .34's.........and that was chrono'd in 30 degree weather. Thank goodness it's considered a "bolt-action" weapon. ...evil smirk crosses my face....... -G
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Post by spitfire740 on Jan 18, 2006 0:52:14 GMT -5
f*** me runnin! I didnt know it was that fast.
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Jan 18, 2006 3:11:21 GMT -5
Ah, that solves my suspicion. I knew it couldn't be at 285 fps.
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Post by Silencer didn sign in on Jan 18, 2006 12:00:49 GMT -5
You have to remember that the thompson could fight against other aegs at the regular field. But if you tred to fight with a carbine you might be sniping.
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 18, 2006 17:52:24 GMT -5
Hmm... do you carbine owners find yourselves sniping? This would indicate a reluctance to engage the more (close-range) superior AEG's, which, whether it means the carbine is inferior or not, may lead me to think that the carbine is not the greatest for playing in the woods, where range is very much limited. However, I would hope that even in decently-close ranges the carbine is useful (say, within 60 feet.) I'd think you'd just need to have steady arms and a calm trigger finger.
Am I naive in this hope?
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Post by silencer on Jan 18, 2006 19:38:54 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, from what Ive heard the carbine is a great weapon, Im sure it can fight better than aegs in woods and things. But if you go to an event thats cqb I bet you could get taken out quite easily. Well, with my style of fighting, you would.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 18, 2006 19:45:29 GMT -5
not a good choice for cqb at all. just fine in the woods
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 18, 2006 20:53:56 GMT -5
gotcha. alright, thanks for the info, guys. if any of you are compelled to provide any additional counsel, it would be accepted enthusiastically.
Thanks!
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 18, 2006 20:54:24 GMT -5
gotcha. alright, thanks for the info, guys. if any of you are compelled to provide any additional counsel, it would be accepted enthusiastically.
Thanks!
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Post by gunfreak on Jan 19, 2006 12:56:35 GMT -5
the Carbine is great, even in thick woods as it's so small, and you can fire like 2 shots a second.. i say go for it..
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Post by spiritedtrooper on Jan 22, 2006 15:48:20 GMT -5
anyone know a good market where one would find a carbine/mags for sale?
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Post by mauser98k on Jan 22, 2006 15:50:27 GMT -5
dentrinity
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 22, 2006 15:56:49 GMT -5
Ebay
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Post by mauser98k on Jan 22, 2006 17:23:39 GMT -5
Dentrinity and ebay
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Feb 1, 2006 7:36:09 GMT -5
I would shy away from getting airsoft guns from ebay, because you dont know how well the last owner took care of it, any shmo can Say they took good care of it. I would go with www.redwolfairsoft.comI have bought alot of guns from them, My thompson, 2 Garands, a springer and a Socom gas gun. Or dentrinity
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Post by Guinness on Feb 1, 2006 8:45:03 GMT -5
2 Garands eh Pvt Mills? What, you gonna start arming 3rd world nations next or start your own 'Airsoft Coup' ? Actually since Guns -n- Guys has them for $380 now....I was thinking of doing the same thing hmmmmm I like the sound of "Generalissimo Guinness" -G
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Post by DrewBSniperGuy on May 25, 2006 10:41:16 GMT -5
just because its a carbine doesn't mean you have to snipe. I have a tac 9( bolt action sniper) and I like to get up close with AEGs
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 25, 2006 22:53:43 GMT -5
A lot of fields and grioups will require you to operate the carbine as a sniper. Not just because of the semi auto nature of having to cock it everytime but because at the FPS it shoots at it has a level of impact that is considerably greater then an AEG. Hence you'll have a minimum engagement range of typically 75 feet. This means you can't shoot anyone inside of 75 feet! Obviously a pistol as a backup is a good idea. Inspite of it's short length it is well suited in that roles as the power, range and accuracy are exceptional.
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Post by hudabon on Aug 1, 2006 12:37:25 GMT -5
With the 8mm bbs, wouldnt they have less of a range than 6mm bbs? That is a larger surface area for wind to act upon, which could slow the bb down and ( minimally) decrease its performance. Correct me if Im wrong though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 1, 2006 19:06:00 GMT -5
It's more about the weight of the BB then the drag on the surface area from the larger BB. I had both the 6mm version and the 8mm and they both shot hard and far. The 8mm is less effected by the wind and penetrates brush better but I do think the 6mm went a bit farther. The magazine for the 6mm held 15 rounds where the 8mm mag only held around 11 if memory serves me right. Because the magazines hold the gas that powers the Bbs they are quite expensive to buy. (around $60.00 delivered) Like all gas guns they require more attention and hassle to operate and are effected by outside temperature. They shoot harder in warmer weather and not as hard in cold weather. Because of this variable adjusting the hop up is quite persnickety which makes for additional hassle. This is true of all gas guns and is one of several reasons I prefer AEGs.
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 9, 2006 15:25:41 GMT -5
I say the Thompson because of the fact that while you have the cool look of a WWII gun it can still go up against other AEGs if you're doing a mixed battle and you can upgrade it be more powerful with the ease of other AEGs. I just have never been impressed with gas guns and while I have said that I'll probably give into buying the M2 Carbine when it comes out I own a Thompson and I love it. Gas guns seem to be more problematic. Plus, my style of fighting is hitting the enemy hard and fast. I'm always in the attack squad when we set up game plans, well, most of the time =P.
Oh, and BTW, I had my Thompson barrel welded to the rest of the body for about $10 and its as solid as a rock. If you get someone to do it nicely and then spray paint or something it should come out to look alright. All I know is that now that its welded, its the sturdiest gun I've ever held.
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Post by jasonwolf86 on Aug 17, 2006 20:00:07 GMT -5
Hmm since I don't own any ATM,I'm just going say this IMO.. I'd say Carbine just because of my beleif. Please anyone who has autos..take no offence please, but anyone can can hold down a trigger and spray a bunch of plastic but it takes a true precision shooter to make that 1 bb hit its mark true..just don't get flanked
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Post by nichollas mckenzie on Oct 7, 2006 0:32:01 GMT -5
I say the Thompson because of the fact that while you have the cool look of a WWII gun it can still go up against other AEGs if you're doing a mixed battle and you can upgrade it be more powerful with the ease of other AEGs. I just have never been impressed with gas guns and while I have said that I'll probably give into buying the M2 Carbine when it comes out I own a Thompson and I love it. Gas guns seem to be more problematic. Plus, my style of fighting is hitting the enemy hard and fast. I'm always in the attack squad when we set up game plans, well, most of the time =P. Oh, and BTW, I had my Thompson barrel welded to the rest of the body for about $10 and its as solid as a rock. If you get someone to do it nicely and then spray paint or something it should come out to look alright. All I know is that now that its welded, its the sturdiest gun I've ever held. where did you get it welded for 10$ can i send mine in.
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