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Post by jaeger on Dec 18, 2006 11:56:26 GMT -5
I need to apologize, but while I was going through the posts, someone mentioned a new spring k98 coming out next year. I can't find where I read that and figured I would just ask if anyone can give me some info on this. Thanks!
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Post by mauser98k on Jan 1, 2007 22:31:28 GMT -5
Most likely a smarta** joke by one of us.
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Post by binarypunisher on Jan 2, 2007 10:37:47 GMT -5
It was rumored as one of the upcoming guns from China...no word on it yet though. keep checking: www.airsoft-news.eu for updates.
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Post by 2ndranger on Jan 3, 2007 0:16:17 GMT -5
I wouldnt get it anyways, I personally dont think it will be as strong as the Tanaka.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2007 1:12:58 GMT -5
a cheaper alternative to it though? wouldnt you rather see a bunch of 98's then a bunch of 40's?
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Post by 2ndranger on Jan 3, 2007 2:33:37 GMT -5
no, mp40s i dont see much of em here in the midwest...
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 3, 2007 2:35:49 GMT -5
Hell I dont care what German airsoft guns the Germans have as long as they actually have a ww2 German gun to use.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jan 3, 2007 8:49:25 GMT -5
I think a springer K98 makes perfect sense. If it's affordable it will really help WWII Airsoft. Right now these guns are so damn expensive reenactors do not want to take the plunge. If a cheap, basic infantry weapon can be made available we may see more reenactors coming out to skirmish.
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Post by topgun13 on Jan 3, 2007 9:53:23 GMT -5
not to mention the fact that weather can't affect them at all. people that live in the colder regions might like that.
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Post by jaeger on Jan 3, 2007 19:42:50 GMT -5
I think Capt. Zak hit the nail right on the head. The k98 was the basic infantry weapon, however, a basic inexpensive version of the gun would really help get people into WW2 airsoft. Plus, at the last event, I saw a number of springer long rifles anyways. Instead of a modern long rifle for under 100 bucks, why not buy a spring k98 (if it existed :-) ). The k98 was a bolt action anyways. The only downfall would be power, but I think it would be worth the sacrifice especially if it was a cheaper gun.
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Post by jimseery on Jan 3, 2007 21:05:25 GMT -5
Although I'm getting old and feeble I seem to remember a competition to get an 03 Springfield or a K98 done by some event in Jan. I have started a thread on my work on a Yugoslavian m48 ($99) and a USR 11 ($99) to make a reasonable model of a K98. I know that 2nd Bat and Smitty were working on a similar project. There seems to be some interest in this, but I have to ask, how much?
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Post by binarypunisher on Jan 3, 2007 21:52:04 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 3, 2007 22:23:05 GMT -5
I have one done and have started on the second. I'll do a full report folllowing the event and competition. Some interesting discoveries. A reasonable springer bolt action WW2 rifle is a doable and affordable project and should add some dimension to our weapons variety at future events. The performance is such that they will also hold their own at an event.
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Post by jimseery on Jan 4, 2007 20:07:45 GMT -5
Thanks BP and 2nd Bat. I realise with the holidays and all that life sometimes get in the way of living, but for a while I felt that all work had stopped. I figure I'm about half way there. I've been cautious in inletting the springer because many times in the past I have lost patience and gouged great holes where I didn't want them. 2nd Bat I'm looking forward to your report and I'll try and get my act together and report on my ups and downs.
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Post by Doom on Jan 4, 2007 20:24:32 GMT -5
I think someone from this site who is skilled at woodworking should craft some springer 98K's and sell them. I think everyone on this site would buy one if it was a decent price/power.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 4, 2007 21:43:30 GMT -5
I'm still working on my K98 springer. It's nearly finished and will post details upon its completion.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 4, 2007 22:01:21 GMT -5
Hopefully the Chinese will recognize a market for it an fill it. A mass producer in low labor region like China is the only way such a limited production item is going to be affordable and low cost. They clearly can produce sufficient power cheaply and well as their knock off VSR springers demonstrate. Doing them in wood with a authentic replica of the Kar 98 or Springfield is a different story. If they do I'll be the first in line.
In the meantime you can buy an excellent Kar 98 from tanaka for roughly $500.00 and a KFC Springfield for $1100.00 or a Enfield from Shoot n Scoot for $1200.00. What's a reasonable price at which "Everyone would buy one?"
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 4, 2007 23:17:40 GMT -5
Id be happy to pay about 200-250 for an 03 Springfield rifle (Chinese Standards), and if were really good I might consider up to $300 (Tokyo Marui Standards)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 5, 2007 18:10:33 GMT -5
I think that would be a viable market. The Chinese could probably come in well below the $250.00 but probably with simulated wood. As for Marui they will never enter this market as it's too limited and if they did would be simulated wood, poorly done and $500.00 The Chinese are our best bet. I suspect if they did the gun would shoot well and look pretty darn good and be $175.00 or less!
I however, am not going to hold my breath.
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Post by jimseery on Jan 5, 2007 20:42:16 GMT -5
I want everybody to understand that what follows has a lot of grins and chuckles in it, otherwise it's going to sound sarcastic. Everybody kept posting "I wish the chinese or the klingons or whoever would make an affordable MP40", with much wailing and knashing of teeth. So the Klingons or whoever do that and the multitudes fall on their knees and cry "where are the extra mags, it's not the right color, it has the HATED selector switch on it". Let me give you a thought, since most of you are historians. From the late 70's to the very early 90s I played at being a mountain man. Got a teepee, buffalo robes, no fooling around with a stinking Hawken, got me Tennesee Poor Boy flintlock, the whole nine yards. We all said that wouldn't it be nice if they would sell/make whatever and you know they did. You could walk into rendevous stark naked with a handfull of money and walk out looking like Jim Bridger. After that the hobby took a serious nosedive because anybody could look like they knew what it was about. O.K., what does that mean. 1. To qoute Heinlin TANSTAFL. I don' think you're going to get a $100 K98 or 03A3 or whatever. 2. There are guys out there like 2nd Bat who are willing to supply you with good replicas for a reasonable cost, or like Tommygunner who are willing to share a project so everyone else can do it. For what it's worth I'm trying to put together a K98 in such a fashion that the average craftsman can do it (with marginal success). I'd like to see how 2nd Bat did, but I will not be able to bring mine in for under $250 and looking at how fast the price of the MP40 has gone up, niether will the klingons. So what is thiss ranting and raving all about? Most of you guys probably don't realise it, but I suspect you, or we, are in a special place in this hobby. Where everybody (almost) shares and works toward a common goal. I could go on for a lot longer, but I think I'm starting to get boring. Remember, be careful of what you wish for, you might get it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2007 0:43:08 GMT -5
It is also human nature that whatever is available it's never good enough, cheap enough, available enough. powerful enough, too powerful, will have too large a mag capacity. too small a mag capacity. Not enough accessories, too many accessories, a fake looking strap, too nice a strap, the wrong shade of wood, the wrong variation, etc etc etc. Whinning is part of the deal that comes with the territory. I'm just delighted that we're starting to see some choices and that increasingly we're seeing less and less M-16s with semi done impressions that are mildly representative of what we're depicting. With every couple of months the impressions are improving, the weapons selections are improving and the turnouts at events keep growing along with the quality of the events themselves.
This is a special time in this hobby and we'll all be able to one day say....remember when everyone had Thompsons and you were lucky if eight guys showed up.... It's still at a point where much of our success is going to have to come from our own efforts.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 10, 2007 11:22:13 GMT -5
Very well put by both 2nd bat, and Jimseery. I have seen the same thing happen in many other hobbies. We've got to be gratefull for the WWII products that are already available. Nothing beats the rewarding feeling of building your own custom stuff though.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 10, 2007 13:39:19 GMT -5
Probably the only thing that beats that feeling is building customs for others. (wink, wink)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2007 15:33:43 GMT -5
There is a joy in that too along with some headaches and heartburn. If people were reasonably appreciative of the time required and placed some level of value on that time it would be more prevalent. Building these customs is a labor of love more then anything and it's great seeing them out in the field being used or hearing peoples stories. "Dude" like 20 people came up and wanted to hold it." or "They didn't see me and I zero'd in on them at decent range, squeazed off three rounds and hit two of them while the other guy ran away."
Those are the reports along with great photos that are most rewarding for me.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 12, 2007 0:58:16 GMT -5
I'm convinced that even if the Chinese do come out with a Kar 98 springer they'll not get around to the next logical step and do a Springfield. With that in mind I'm proceeding with my efforts.
I took my initial, nearly finished gun outside today and fired it quite a bit at range. I was concerned that with the alterred stock and new outer barrel I might have warped things or rendered the hop up's function ineffective. It was a little hard to track the BBs in the snowy terrain but when I did get a clear view of the Bbs flight they were flying straight,true, far, and fast.
This first Springfield is virtually done. It will require some cosmetic finishing up and I'll call it done. I'm well underway with the second one and probably will hold off on my plan to have three done for Long Winter. Too busy with Garands, work and honey do's.
This first one in materials alone was well under $150.00 with perhaps 20 hours labor. It will be an "approximate Springfield." Reminiscent but by no means precise. Along the lines of what DOG did but probably not as nice. The next one will be about $300.00 in materials and about the same amount of labor (maybe more as I'm not done yet) It will look as correct as I am capable of doing. Not schmitty exact, but pretty nice. The third one will be somewhere in between. All will be projects others could do with time, an area to work in and few reasonable tools.
The hard part of course is customizing the original stock but I am looking in to the costs of replicating a stock once done so building these for others might be viable. They won't be cheap but they'll be way less then the KWC or the Enfields offered on Shoot n Scoot. One of the challenges is the length of the stock. Most stock builders only have wood blanks out to 36 inches and the Springfield stock is 39". Straight decent Springfield stocks cost 180.00 and I'm guessing custom replications will be around $250.00 with the cut outs to support the base rifle components virtually a drop in. This should make production pretty straight forward.
I am curious, for those most knowledgeable about the Springfield which is your favorite style? The C stock with the traditional rifle stock shape (M1903A1 and A4) or the straight stock? M1903 and M1903A3? I'm doing both but was curious what others think? How important is it that an actual bayonet snap into place? Do you prefer the front graduated site (WW1 style) or the rear mounted peep site?
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 10, 2007 12:51:47 GMT -5
I would love a spring Kar-98! I prefer spring over gas just because you can put the ammo in right when you get it and pull the trigger ;D
I was planning on getting a TM VSR-10 to simulate a Kar-98 anyways. I personally think it wouldn't take to much money to convert the whole little design over to a Kar-98, just change the exterior really. Hell, they could have one of their little design people sit down, and change it to it in a few hours with no problem, lol. Hell even classic army could do it.
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Post by jaeger on Feb 10, 2007 14:12:12 GMT -5
Totally agree with you there. It wouldn't really take much effort considering the profit they would make from sales of a K98.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Feb 10, 2007 16:30:01 GMT -5
I would love a spring Kar-98! I prefer spring over gas just because you can put the ammo in right when you get it and pull the trigger ;D I was planning on getting a TM VSR-10 to simulate a Kar-98 anyways. I personally think it wouldn't take to much money to convert the whole little design over to a Kar-98, just change the exterior really. Hell, they could have one of their little design people sit down, and change it to it in a few hours with no problem, lol. Hell even classic army could do it. With that in mind You could also probably make a Mosin-Nagant. Its rather annoying knowing that there are, as far as i know, absolutely no airsoft Soviet WWII guns in existence other than some custom made works.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 10, 2007 16:38:59 GMT -5
Ya...the thing is there isn't a high demand for russian WWII era rifles. most reenactors are US, German, and some Brits
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 10, 2007 16:40:13 GMT -5
Totally agree with you there. It wouldn't really take much effort considering the profit they would make from sales of a K98. someone needs to find a way to contact a company dirrectly, the thing is, the tokyo marui site is in all jap. ive been there
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