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Post by bluecrabofpain on Jun 16, 2007 23:10:56 GMT -5
Hello everybody again. I plan on buying a CYMA CM028 AK-47. I originally wanted to buy WWII guns only, but $100 for a gun like this (which has a very good reputation) was too good to pass up. Alas, the AK-47, to me, looks very much like an STG-44. How easy do you think it would be to touch up the exterior so it looks something like the German assault rifle? If we get really creative, I bet we could also get something that looks like a Bren or a T-99 LMG
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jun 16, 2007 23:26:49 GMT -5
It all really depends on how authentic you want it too look. I remember a long time back I saw pictures of someone who modified an mp5 to look like an stg44 (well it more or less turned out like an mp5/stg44 frankengun) but a good effort nonetheless. personally I don't find it worth it unless its a real top knotch conversion. Shootnscoot I believe has some front end conversion kits that make it look like an stg44, but overall the gun won't fool anyone. If you feel that you could make it worthwhile, then by all means do so. But IMO spending plenty of time, effort, and possibly lots of cash for a gun that looks like an stg44 if you squint your eyes and turn your head sideways, while having the performance and reliability of a CYMA CM028 AK-47(you get what you pay for) doesn't sound like my cuppa tea. The ak does work well though as a conversion gun so if anyone attempts a good effort at this, then by all means I hope the best for them.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 17, 2007 8:11:28 GMT -5
SandS out of the UK is coming out with a front end that converts the CA33 and the cheaper china clone of the 33 into a reasonable Stg44. I would look into that if you haven't already bought the AK. The CA33 looks much closer than an AK does.
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Post by pete59 on Jun 17, 2007 10:25:34 GMT -5
SandS out of the UK is coming out with a front end that converts the CA33 and the cheaper china clone of the 33 into a reasonable Stg44. I would look into that if you haven't already bought the AK. The CA33 looks much closer than an AK does. I agree the HK33 looks a lot more like the stg44 than the AK does, there's quite a few of us over here waiting patiently for Warren (ShootNScoot www.shootnscoot.co.uk/ ) to complete his new front end for HK33, as you can see from this thread www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/php/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=723 a few of us have already made some progress on our conversions.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jun 17, 2007 23:45:47 GMT -5
Wow... that's food for thought. It looks real nice so far. Will Shoot and Scoot's new front end be metal or is it still going to be plastic (if you know)?
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Post by mikkel on Jun 22, 2007 17:39:42 GMT -5
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Post by click on Jun 23, 2007 15:59:34 GMT -5
Wow! the G3 conversion looks pretty good!
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Post by pete59 on Jul 6, 2007 1:43:44 GMT -5
Will Shoot and Scoot's new front end be metal or is it still going to be plastic (if you know)? As far as I know it's a mixture of metal and what Warren refers to as high density resin, I'll post an update as soon as I get a look at one.
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Post by therocketman321 on Sept 7, 2007 11:43:55 GMT -5
Hello!! Dont you guys know your history, the Stg44 (Mp44) is the actual gun that leads to the development of the AK47.. Near the end of WW2 Kalashnikov was an injured Russian Tanker that stumbled upon the Stg plans when the soviets were raiding German Factories.. He took the plans and since he was feeling useless because he was injured, he decided to work on designing a new gun, when his work was finished it basically was a modified Stg44 made into an AK-47.. But perfected by Kalashnikov for the Soviets.. And the AK lives on in its newer models.. The russians still use the AK all they do is change the look of it every time LMAO!!!!
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 7, 2007 12:18:09 GMT -5
Not really....the STG reminds me more of an AR when its disassembled.
Sure, externally it may look a lot like an AK - but its very different.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 7, 2007 12:52:37 GMT -5
There is no doubt the Russian weapons were inspired by the German design and Kalishnikovs own comments confirm that. I agree however that the HK G33 would make a better base model for a conversion project then the Shoot n Scoot AK conversion which ended up looking way too Frankengun for my taste. With the inexpensive Chinese G33s, the concept is very enticing. With modified CETMA wood hardware a finished gun could be made to look pretty good I think.
A better approach would probably be to either buy the uber expensive gun that is available or wait a few years for someone to come along and offer a viable well done alternative that is affordable.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 7, 2007 13:12:15 GMT -5
S&S are offering a new conversion for the CA33/HK33 add on a real steel STg stock and you are almost in business. The lads across the pond are farther along with this particular model gun conversion.
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 7, 2007 15:19:49 GMT -5
Kalashnikov has denied any relation to the STG as far as I remember...
I completely agree though on the CA33. The AK kinda looks similar to the STG, but I think it is more of the magazine than anything else. Look at a G3 and STG side by side, and they are actually pretty close. The reciever is similar, the buttstock is very close, and so is the foregrip (except its not metal).
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Post by applestrudel on Sept 7, 2007 23:20:44 GMT -5
kalashnikov designed the ak-47 while in the hospital for wounds in 1943 and the ak is much more like the m1 garand then the stg 44.
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Post by Seff on Sept 8, 2007 14:59:18 GMT -5
The concept of Assault rifle is borrowed from the Stg.44, but the mechanics are typical russian type of the period, similar to the systems in the STV40 and the SKS. It's not a direct copy of any firearm, but a combination of several very good ideas that together form a very good firearm for poorly trained soldiers and combat in very adverse conditions. If anything is copied from the STG family, its the CETME/G3 family. world.guns.ru/assault/as60-e.htm
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Post by Tough Ombre on Sept 8, 2007 15:39:55 GMT -5
The only difference i can see externally with the G3 is the stamp used for the receiver. Other then the barrel, and those other little things. -Cary
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Post by therocketman321 on Sept 9, 2007 23:56:54 GMT -5
Kalashnikov can deny it all he wants... But it is a modified STG44 Look at the blue prints.. He stole it from the Germans.. Just like everyone steals from the Germans, they are just smart like that LOL..
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 10, 2007 0:03:41 GMT -5
The Russians captured a lot of the engineers that developted the MP43, and forced them to work on their munitions labor camps , where they had a lot to do with the development of the AK. Most of the engineers managed to make their way to Spain with the entire set of blueprints for the MP43 and eventually developted the CETME rifle.
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Post by mikkel on Sept 16, 2007 16:31:10 GMT -5
therocketman321> If you have ever disassembled the MP44 and the AK, you would know they have very little in common.
The design ideas are much the same, and therefore the end result have a smimmilar appearance, but if you go into the details they are far from each other.
The CETME is just a further development of the STG45, most of the basic work had already been done.
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Post by hoyaboy30 on Sept 18, 2007 20:49:50 GMT -5
That would be difficult, I don't really know how you could do that.
The MP5 looks some what similar to an MP44 Try that
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Post by Gordak on Sept 20, 2007 14:31:20 GMT -5
Agrees with Seff and mikkel, the stg 44 uses the tokarev svt40 gas system, coppied from the russians. This is the gas sytem in the AK, so you can argue all the AK did was take the intermediate cartridge Idea. (The bannana Mag was already in use on the pps-43.) but the drop down trigger group and quick detach pins were new German-born ideas (the m16 picked these up) Further more the M16 uses a round bolt, like the 44. Thus you can almost say the m16 is more related to the 44 than the AK -Gordak
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Post by Guinness on Sept 20, 2007 18:53:36 GMT -5
I just think this: Looks more like this Than an AK could ever be modded to be
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Post by warren on Oct 3, 2007 8:21:56 GMT -5
yep the g33 is going well, i,v now stoped doing the ak convertion kit as it was only a stop gap model, at the time we didant have the g33, so it was either the ak or nothing i may allso do the wood butt at some time to finish it all of for the g33, warren S&S
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Post by Guinness on Oct 3, 2007 12:47:27 GMT -5
-drumroll-.... Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Warren of Shoot n Scoot! Hey I didnt realize you visited our little corner of heaven sir! So how can one of us Yanks get one of the conversion kits? the last time I checked your site I didn't see them Also if we haven't before, welcome to the forums! Slainte! -G
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Post by warren on Oct 4, 2007 7:50:06 GMT -5
thanks for that mate, its good over here we,r doing some major work on the webbsite atm, as we have had a few problems with it as it stands, if you or any one has Q about this or any other costom gun, them perhaps you should use this email to contact me, info@shootnscoot.co.uk shipping is the killer with sending models over to you lot, thanks for the welcome, and i,l try and visit more often, warren S&S
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Post by click on Oct 4, 2007 21:48:36 GMT -5
How was this little gem made? Click
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Post by Guinness on Oct 4, 2007 22:07:26 GMT -5
By the wee little German gun elves of course! ;D
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Oct 22, 2007 19:26:31 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 22, 2007 19:44:18 GMT -5
ummm no some of us actually have bought Cushmans stuff it doesn't look all that great IRL as it does in pictures.
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Post by Doom on Oct 22, 2007 21:16:55 GMT -5
Cushman stuff always looks like it's melting.......
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