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Post by Gordak on Aug 13, 2005 10:10:08 GMT -5
see it, you wont be disapointed.
The most tactically accurate ww2 movie yet!
-Gordak
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Aug 15, 2005 1:11:13 GMT -5
Great Raid = NOT IN applesauce HOLE EAU CLAIRE!!
I want to see the movie, but none of the theaters here are showing it. GOD DAMN THIS PLACE SUCKS!!
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Post by walker on Aug 15, 2005 13:10:58 GMT -5
lol. i havent seen it yet but i want to so bad! looks awesome possibly better than SPR.
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Post by Tricky9914 on Sept 14, 2005 19:13:06 GMT -5
I saw it, it was good, and seemed accurate. But does not come close to Private Ryan
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Post by marine on Sept 26, 2005 21:44:17 GMT -5
I loved it. I saw it with my family.
But nothing, even Saving Private Ryan comes even close to Band of Brothers.
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Post by 101st all the way! on Feb 18, 2006 14:13:34 GMT -5
Damn right about that. It didn't come to marion so I had to wait for it to come on PPV. It wasn't that great I thought. The battle was but overall it almost put me to sleep.
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Post by Gordak on Feb 23, 2006 10:43:45 GMT -5
a "tactically accurate" movie will always be a bore when compared to the ADD plauged hollywood films.
BOB was good, probably the best. -Gordak
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Post by HellRazor on Feb 23, 2006 12:46:54 GMT -5
Hrmmm...I think I'll have to buy this while I'm at work now today. I was rather curious if it was any good.
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Post by polak on Mar 5, 2006 23:12:01 GMT -5
This is by far one of the gratest movies, and Saving Private Ryan ranks among the lowest, along with Thin Red Line. I loved the part where the Pilipino Guerillas sprayed that Jap Guard and made him turn to meat chunks. Genious.
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Mar 6, 2006 15:41:55 GMT -5
As a descendant of a Filipino guerilla fighter, I've done a lot of research on this raid. By far, this is the WORST portrayal of the events that happened that evening. The setting was nothing like the true to life events. As a Filipino, I can tell that the location was filmed in Hawaii. Likewise the outlay of the Canabatuan was totally inaccurate. There was no tanks as well. Also, I especially did not appreciate the Hollywood portrayal of LT. Col Mucci. To make actor James Franco (Capt. Prince) more likeable/more lead role, Mucci was portrayed as a leader with very little regard for the guerilla fighters (the scenes in which he makes several sarcastic remarks to Juan Pajota.) On the same note, the battle at the bridge where the Japanese attempted to flank the Filipino line, and were relatively successful, downing several Filipinos, until Col Mucci came and saved the day, never happened. Juan Pajota's men staved off all the assaults including the failed flanking maneuver. Even at the end of the movie when showing the "exact figures" casualties, the Filipinos did not suffer one cassualty during the entire raid. The holding of the bridge was a complete success with Filipino injuries ranging from slight burns from the use of the 30 cal machine guns and scratches. Likewise, the two soldiers KIA during the raid were due to the mortar fire of one Japanese individual (fatally wounding Capt. Fisher), the other was killed by his own men on accident. Also, the love story is totally fabricated and takes away from the reality and gravity of the events. Overall it was quite horrible: a horrible portrayal of the Americans, a horrible portrayal of the Filipinos, and a horrible portrayal of all other aspects concerning the event. I would recommend reading "Ghost Soldiers" instead of watching such a pitiful waste of money.
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Post by polak on Mar 6, 2006 16:23:37 GMT -5
Eh, well i thought it was great. Also, I can imagine why it was filmed in Hawai'i and not the Philipines, purely because of the amount of conflict that currently resides in that country. Again, it's a movie, and Hollywood always does crap to piss us off. I wouldn't blame any of this on Dale Dye, the dude who trained all of the cast, as he was a great asset. Would it not be the best portrayal, being the only major motion picture to portray the Guerillas, and furthermore, portray the raid?
A few words: Never expect both an accurate and good movie from Hollywood.
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Mar 6, 2006 17:01:03 GMT -5
while i do recognize that this is the ONLY portrayal, I'll still have to say that it was a pretty bad one. But I've seen other movies like (correct me if I'm wrong) John Wayne's Bataan that have made excellent portrayals of the valor of the participants of the war.
P.S. It was filmed mostly in Australia. (I'm a film nut)
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Post by Gordak on Mar 6, 2006 22:42:51 GMT -5
WOW I didnt know all that about the great raid!!!! Shows how much I know about pacific history, But realize, I tried to ask my numerous Filipino freinds about it and never got answers (it had been months of trying) Thanks for the info! Sad to hear the movie actually sux -Gordak
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 7, 2006 8:43:04 GMT -5
Yea, I saw that movie day it came out, great, great, great movie!
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Post by Rainer Schmidt on Mar 7, 2006 11:06:17 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with the bad reviews on here. While it does have the prescribed doses of warefare, it completely lacks in Smitty-scale.
When I saw the previews, I was like, look! Pearl Harbor 2. It felt, and looked alot like propaganda with a bit of a love story thrown in. Just once...can't Hollywood leave the love story out! *sigh*
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Mar 7, 2006 13:31:08 GMT -5
When I went to the theatres, I recall seeing another Filipino family who gave a standing ovation during the credits. In my mind I was thinking, "what are you doing? This is blasphemy to even the Japanese!" But what can I say? Most of us aren't educated in the Pacific Campaigns, especially the events relating to Bataan and Canabatuan. Again, I recommend "Ghost Soldiers" and, if you can find it, "Bataan, Our Last Ditch." to get a nitty gritty look at these overlooked events.
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Post by Gordak on Mar 7, 2006 16:46:00 GMT -5
They were probably happy that there was finally a movie about the Philipeans in WW2. and u got to admit, they owned thos japs on the bridge True or not, the movie was designed to make u more and more angry at the japs till finally at the end, your alsmost cheering out loud when they get hosed down en mass. -Gordak
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 7, 2006 16:50:25 GMT -5
Ghost Soldiers is an excellent book and the best resource for historical accuracy on the actual raid. The true facts are remarkable enough and should be sufficient to support a story that would be compelling and worth watching even for non history buffs. It's like watching We Were Soldiers Once after reading the book and being impressed with the movie up until the final scene which was a total fabrication and completely hokey and uneccessary.
What was well done in "The Great raid" is they tried to depict authentic raid tactics and emphasize the logistical issues and manuever challenges with such an undertaking and did a good job in that respect.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 9, 2006 19:04:37 GMT -5
You know what, I remember that love part now... Ok, lol that just ruined my remembrance of the movie
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Post by wonderbread79 on Mar 10, 2006 17:39:42 GMT -5
I definantly agree with the fact that it was a great movie. I rented it a few days ago and it was the whole thing was really good. The stuff leading up to the raid and the raid.
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Post by polak on Mar 11, 2006 0:47:00 GMT -5
I'm waiting for a movie on the underdogs. A movie on those who were not immortalized. Poles, Slovaks, Finns, or something else.
I gotta say that one of the worst movies I've seen is Enemy at the Gates. Zaitsev was by no means that handsome, and they didn't even try to act Russian. God, I almost busted open my TV.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 11, 2006 0:56:41 GMT -5
Well, you know do that England occupied russia at the time right? the great raid was technically about the underdogs, about 5000 to 200 marines+some Filipino soldiers. But I agree that we need one on some french resistance or poles, because they did more than we think. The french destroyed something like 200 german trains by themselves!
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Mar 11, 2006 21:18:20 GMT -5
mauser98k, they weren't "technically" marines. they were US Army Rangers, and if memory serves me right, they were less than 100 of them. Also, there were NO Filipino soldiers, they were all guerillas with no training, most of whom were local villagers armed with bolos.
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Post by mauser98k on Mar 11, 2006 21:21:05 GMT -5
Sorry mate, I did after all see it quite a while ago and it kinda got washed away from my mind.
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Post by schmitty on Mar 13, 2006 1:43:05 GMT -5
Polak: I loved enemy at the gates, but yes they could have made some attempt at accents. Have you seen "dark blue world"? Great movie about Czech pilots with the RAF.
Schmitty
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Post by magic8ball on Mar 13, 2006 11:13:59 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Great Raid yet. So far the only Hollywood depiction I've seen of it is from the movie "Back to Bataan" starring John Wayne. The movie was filmed in the Philippines shortly after the end of the war in 1945 and they even had some of the Cabanatuan survivors make appearances.
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Post by Gordak on Mar 13, 2006 17:43:27 GMT -5
rbx6jm7man,
What do you thik of that movie, "Fires on the plain" Japanes movie about their soldiers starving to death in the Philipeans?
Just curious if you have seen it.
-Gordak
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Post by silencer on Mar 13, 2006 18:38:32 GMT -5
Anyone realise that gordak just said "owned" hehe.
I saw great raid and I must agree that it is a great movie, I especially like the thompsons!
I think another movie you should see would be.... I think it is "bataan" and "back to bataan" they were made before ww2 was even done with and so are extremely racist towards japanese dudes.
-Great movie about Czech pilots with the RAF.- my moms a czech.
On the note about accuracy and how bad of a portrayal this was, I agree totally, I went wanting to see a good portrayal of philipinos because I have many friends from there. Instead, I thought hollywood was almost racist towards them. However, it is hollywood, you can't expect anything accurate.
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Post by magic8ball on Mar 13, 2006 21:04:08 GMT -5
Actually "Bataan" was filmed in a sound stage in Hollywood in 1942, while "Back to Bataan" was filmed on location in the Philippines in 1945, just after VJ day. "Bataan" was the first movie to actually delve into the bloody realism of war and really shocked audiences when it was first shown. You could say it was the "Saving Private Ryan" of it's time. But both movies portrayed the Japanese as evil, bloodthirsty savages, no doubt to stir up patriotism back home. Curiously enough, Filipinos living in the United States at the time were not allowed to join the US Army, but Filipinos living in the Philippines were.
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Post by polak on Mar 21, 2006 3:36:28 GMT -5
Never seen the movie. Sorry. But yeh, I dunno. Hollywood is a bit bumpy.
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