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Post by m1891 on Dec 17, 2007 8:34:33 GMT -5
Hello to all, I was wondering and i did pull several searches but, how reliable is the export version, isit better than the origonal? any new perks about it?
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Post by ukkolzi on Dec 17, 2007 13:04:52 GMT -5
It's a nice looking piece, but. if you want it for even half serious gaming, forget it and buy an AEG Garand. Here's what you need now that 2ndbat has finished his "small" 100 M1 batch: 1) An M14 AEG: Marui, Cyma or AGM, 2) AZR Machine & Tool Co M1 conversion kit, 3) shortened M14 mags so they don't stick out.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 17, 2007 15:11:42 GMT -5
It's a nice looking piece, but. if you want it for even half serious gaming, forget it and buy an AEG Garand. Here's what you need now that 2ndbat has finished his "small" 100 M1 batch: 1) An M14 AEG: Marui, Cyma or AGM, 2) AZR Machine & Tool Co M1 conversion kit, 3) shortened M14 mags so they don't stick out. ...Or do an aeg m1 conversion on your own, if you have the capabilities of it, it's definitely a good option. The shortened mags aren't necessary. If you want something for pictures, just take the magazine out. A shortened mag still sticks out and is fairly visible. m1891, I can't give you a definite yes or no on the SI version, but I doubt that it has any perks over the standard editions otherwise. The marushin garand series are definitely great wall hangers (eventhough an actual CMP garand costs about just as much), but are WAY too impractical for skirmishing and are very finniky guns performance wise.
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Post by tinydata on Dec 29, 2007 18:09:35 GMT -5
m1891, my SI Garand comes in a week. I'll let you know how it performs. I suppose the green gas compatibility would make the FPS go up. But... until then...
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Post by wade on Jan 7, 2008 16:43:30 GMT -5
Any news on the Garand yet?
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Post by tinydata on Jan 11, 2008 6:56:58 GMT -5
Hmmm, haven't fired mine yet. Its a bit cold here. Anyways, the SI has a walnut stock. The blow back is RIDICULOUS.
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Post by tinydata on Jan 11, 2008 17:41:07 GMT -5
well: here is a short review
Ok. I got my green gas version today. I haven't fired it yet, though.
First: the history of our beloved weapon. John C. Garand was a Canadian arms designer who worked for Springfield Armory. In the early 1930s, he started to develop a practical, reliable, and accurate semi-automatic round. The resulting design was tested against other semi- auto prototypes. The big contestants were the Johnson rifle, the Pedersen rifle, and Garand's rifle. Originally chambered in a less powerful .276 (7mm) form, the U.S. Army decided to retain the potent .30-06 round. The Garand was modified to accept the cartridge, and won the tests. The original M1 rifles had problems with the gas trap. Only a few hundred were made before a more reliable version was produced. In 1936, the U.S. Army officially adopted the M1 Garand. The most notable features of the Garand were the semi-auto, and the clip ejection. After all eight shots were fired, the rifle automatically ejected the empty clip. throughout WWII, the Garand gave U.S. infantrymen an advantage over Axis soldiers armed with bolt-action rifles. Patton went as far as to call it "the greatest battle implement ever devised". About 5.5 million were made before production ceased.
Box: The box is your standard blue Marushin box. It's about 4 and 1/2 feet long.
The gun: OMG! I picked the thing up. It's heavy, and its got a walnut stock and metal parts! Ok, next, I field stripped the gun. Advice to everyone out there: tighten your screws! The field stripping is shown in the new English manual. (courtesy of Spartan Imports) As for your famous en-bloc clip, you get a plastic reproduction. Metal ones are sold too. The clip is about three inches high and 1 1/2 inch long. It holds eight GIGANTIC 8mm BBs.
Controls: To load this baby, the clip needs to have BBs in it, or the bolt won't close. So, first, you open the bolt. There is a little bolt latch painted silver. It's not on the original Garand, like Pvt Pisser said. Push it forward and lock the bolt. Then, making sure the clip latch is open, insert your clip. Release the bolt. Your safety is on the trigger guard.
This is assuming you have gas in it. To fill the gun, cock your bolt (not lock it) and turn it upside down. Take your green gas can and fill the gun for 15-20 seconds. After this and the clip loading, you are good to go.
Ergonomics: This gun isn't overly heavy, but it is long. The stock is very comfortable to shoulder, and the gun is very 'pointable'. The sights are easy to look through, and the receiver is in a nice position.
Shooting: (edit) All right! I got home today, loaded the Garand, and went out side. A warning to all: the Hop-up is insane. Keep it at a minimum. Bang..., so after the eighth shot, the clip popped out a fair distance. Reloading actually isn't that bad. Orient the clip, and push it down, and release the bolt. I have 2 clips, so I can keep one loaded while I reload the other by hand. My first target was a 2-liter Diet Coke bottle. From 75 feet, the Garand put a nasty dent and sent the bottle flying.
How to skirmish it: Keep one clip in your pocket, and keep the other one in the gun. Also, have the Green Gas can on your belt. Keep the BBs in a bag, as you will need to reload. The Garand is mostly a DM weapon. It is accurate, powerful, and the intimidation factor of hearing the bolt going CH-CHICK! is scary as hell. Alright, so stay behind a guy with a AEG, and pick off those hard to hit enemies. Otherwise, find a nice covered spot, and bang away.
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Post by motokid351 on May 12, 2008 20:01:26 GMT -5
hi. im new here and i just found this post. i was interested in buying the m1 SI version put i dont know where to buy it from. ot sounds like yours has been doing really well for you and i was just wondering were u got it? thanks.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 12, 2008 23:46:15 GMT -5
Yankee Division The new designed shortened clips for my Garand AEGS do not stick out at all. They are completely flush mounted.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 13, 2008 13:40:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the correction, I think at the time I didn't know about the flush mounted magazines.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 13, 2008 14:15:13 GMT -5
Good point Yankee D! As for your question regarding the SI edition of the Marushin Garand. It is an improvement over the original and the ability to use Green Gas is wonderful but it doesn't change the persnickety design elements of the gun itself from a skirmishable perspective. It's still a complex mechanism that when working well is very very impressive. If you feel a gun that frequently jams and constantly needs fiddling with is okay it is probably an okay way to go. Keep in mind that every screw within it has to be tightened and loctited and still checked about every 200 rounds or so. (Many are extremely hard to access and require a full take down which can't be practically done in the field) The clips are challenging to reload and far more difficult and time consuming than an actual Garand. (Eight shots go away in a hurry in a skirmish) The gun reservoir of gas will only hold enough gas for 40 to 50 shots before needing you to re squirt gas inside the gun and some time to allow it to warm up. (If you pace the shots carefully you can get somewhat more shots than that) Finally with green gas your 8mm BBs will be coming out at a jouel rate that exceeds most fields safety allowances. (A .35 or .45 gram BB at 300 FPS is a much harder hitting BB than a .25 gram BB at 300 FPS!) I for one consider that the least of my issues with the gun.
As I have said many many times it is a marvelous replica and a great plinker but in my book simply not a skirmish gun. Better to go with a do-it-yourself Garand conversion from an M14 or the AZM conversion kit or (in a shameless plug) one of my finished Garand AEGs. Obviously it is my self interest to dissuade people from the Marushin as a skirmish gun but it is my honest appraisal of the gun and I certainly welcome other opinions.
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Post by motokid351 on May 13, 2008 15:21:56 GMT -5
sorry if i didnt clarify earlier but tinydata, whered u get the garand
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Post by tinydata on May 16, 2008 19:00:10 GMT -5
I got it from airsoftextreme.com I highly recommend them.
You can also get it of: wisconsinairsoftwars.com airsoftgi.com
Happy hunting!
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Post by motokid351 on May 16, 2008 21:45:42 GMT -5
sweet thanks.
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Post by stevo24 on Jan 7, 2009 12:39:43 GMT -5
I am looking to buy one too and was wondering if I cound use propane in it. Thanks in advance.
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Post by tinydata on Jan 7, 2009 16:50:35 GMT -5
ehhh, mine comitted suicide. They're a good design, but the build material is crap. Save your time and money and buy one of 2ndBat's or KRaddatz's M1s. Those are AEG based and therefore more reliable than the Marushin.
yeah, I found out the hard way and I now have a $500 wallhanger from Marushin and a fully functional piece by 2ndBat.
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Post by motokid351 on Jan 7, 2009 21:02:06 GMT -5
well said tinydata. i couldnt agree with you more. my m1 did the exact same thing, it seems to be a recurring problem with these gus nowadays. my advice do what tinydata suggested, get a 2ndbat m1 conversion that works and looks great, or u could try and do a springfield conversion. (which is what i am currently working on.)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 7, 2009 23:52:44 GMT -5
There are probably 50 guys on this board with a crapped out Marushin M1 Garand, (some with two) I bought two hoping upon hope that with care and careful adjustments and loctite work and lots of practice my son and I could skirmish with them. They are now both broken. I sold one as a wallhanger for someone and keep the other as reminder why I took on this Garand AEG project.
If there is anyone who is actually using a Garand in skirmishes successfully I don't know who they are. They are really cool until they break and frankly propane will break them about as quick as the Green gas since they are virtually the same thing. I haven't had a single complaints on lack of function on any of my 183 produced and sold Garand AEGs. (Knock on wood)
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Post by ignite44 on May 23, 2009 17:16:52 GMT -5
so 2nd bat are you saying that the marushin is crap
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Post by baddog75 on May 25, 2009 6:57:34 GMT -5
Out of the box its prone to failure, edit, WILL FAIL!
BUT
You can get upgraded CNC'd internals now from Japan.
I have just orderd a Marushin Garand, expect it to break and will be upgrading it to the holy grail-
A Reliable GBB M1 Garand.
I think only buy this gun if you love messing around inside them tbh.
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