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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 6, 2012 19:34:37 GMT -5
Most of the usual places again have the short shotgun mags back in stock that I use for my conversions. Belleville74 in Russia post another optional approach to creating flush mounted mags that is worth considering as well.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 2, 2012 17:18:30 GMT -5
With what we hope will be the imminent release of the ICS Garand AEG and the GnG M1 Garand this discussion should taper off in terms of importance but there are still hundreds upon hundreds of homemade M14 to M1 Garand conversions and so the need for producing flush mounted clips will remain if nothing else because current modified clips wear out or get lost. I am going to sticky this whole thread and recommend anyone wanting to do up some follow this thread before attempting the modifications. If after reading this thread you still have concerns or questions you probably shouldnt take on the project.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 6, 2014 23:37:46 GMT -5
I continue to have inquiries about these modified clips. I am no longer in the business of building and selling the combat packs and never did sell them individually. I really am not interested in trouble shooting misfeeds on clips made be someone else other then the tips and suggestions in this thread. Follow the suggestions here and tweak and adjust using a file of sandpaper the front tab or rear slot and you should be able to get your clips to work.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 16, 2015 20:45:34 GMT -5
With both the ICS and GnG Garands out amazingly people still express interest in my M14 to M1 conversions.The proper sized gas assembly and use of actual real steel parts is apparently part of the appeal and frankly the CYMA 032 M14 base gun has proven to be accurate, hard shooting and robust. The fact that these shotty clips are inexpensive and fit nicely in the Garand 10 pocket belts is also something the ICS and GnG clips won't readily do.
I have the ICS Garand and five of my conversions and enjoy plinking and playing with all of them.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 24, 2016 16:01:16 GMT -5
Since this thread several other completely different approaches for shortened Garand mags have come up. Some by me and some by others. There are unique threads discussing these alternative approaches. The great thing is our truly creative members continue to cater to and share great ideas in support of our hobby. The ICS and GnG Garand AEGs are increasingly showing up on WW2 airsoft battlefields but the high cost of their spare clips are definitely a factor in their acceptability.
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Post by droopaille on May 25, 2016 13:22:14 GMT -5
Hello, there is an other solution : the 3D printed mags. There few adjustments to make but the least is that works !! 3D pinting is really ... frustrating, there so many think to do, that my all life never be enough to realize all I want.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 26, 2016 22:05:55 GMT -5
With the spring installed Im guessing you end up with between 12 to 16 rounds. With the usual 3 round drop that makes a fairly close to real cap magazine. I try to consistently strive for 3 to one magazine capacity so for me a 24 round magazine capacity for a Garand would be ideal.
Your homemade 3d mags look very clean. Hopefully your production costs are quite low as the Chinese shotgun magazines are typically quite affordable and require little adaptation. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by droopaille on May 27, 2016 13:50:04 GMT -5
I started with copying a M500 mag, like all guys who translate an M14 to garand but I just upgrade a bit the capacity. I don't test with the spring (which is the spring of M500 mag). I don't really understand what you mean, do you concider that a airsoft mag must be 3 times bigger than a real mag ?
For the cost, if you don't consider the price of the printer, material cost about 1€ per mag (ok printer is more than 2000€).
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 27, 2016 16:34:05 GMT -5
Yes, My idea goal for WW2 magazines is 3 BBs for each actual clip/ magazine capacity. Since a Garand loaded eight rounds at a time the Airsoft equivalent would be 24. (27 with the 3 rounds that usually don't feed). My reasoning is that frequent reloads adds authenticity but with brush and the likelihood that your target may not feel or respond to the single hit I like to do three quick rounds.
A buck a clip is real good although at E 2,000.00 you have to make a lot of parts to get it to work out financially. Keep us posted on the progress. Did you also make the tiny parts like the spring nipple and BB stop with the 3D printer? I think eventually 3D printer capabilities are going to be a real Godsend to our hobby!
A 3D produced pre shortened magazine for the Cheap CYMA carbine would be nice!
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Post by droopaille on May 28, 2016 9:46:56 GMT -5
Yes 3D printing is awnsome : you can make all u want. Several materials can be used and the only limit is you imagination ... and your capability to draw in 3D.
Here I just made the mag shells, because I hold the tiny parts from the M500 mag. It is my first try and I have some issues with printing parameters, I'm still a beginner.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 28, 2016 21:22:27 GMT -5
At this point in the development of 3D printers as I understand it the process is quite involved, very slow and results can be very frustrating. Hopefully that will improve and costs will come way down. Good that you are jumping in early as with your creativity and industrialness you will no doubt produce lots of awesomness!
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Post by scvngr on Jun 4, 2016 17:04:23 GMT -5
Outstanding. Are you going to paint them or fit them in cut down M14 mag shells?
If 12 rounds is too few you can always investigate making the mags double stack. I understand the main issue with the 50? round vsr mags is the tight radii bends and some other things that a rasp should fix
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2016 11:07:51 GMT -5
With extensive experience now modifying existing magazines I have usually discovered that feeding issues almost always come down to precise alignment with the feed hole or (more commonly) a snag created by a redone seam which can be corrected with careful sanding and a little filler. These snags are annoying and time consuming to fix but even if your cuts are precise and seeming free of burrs eradicating the snag is absolutely essential.
The purpose build 3D designs would eliminate this time and trouble (I would think?)
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