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Post by lazyClick on Nov 24, 2008 16:06:52 GMT -5
If the M1 Carbine is an effective conversion I will end up buying it. I think you just contradicted your entire post here. Not to be mean or pick a fight or anything but you are slamming the other guys for complaining that the Garand doesn't look all that great yet you say that only if the Carbine is nice will you get it.... Click
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Post by ramborob17 on Nov 24, 2008 18:23:05 GMT -5
I said that if it was an effective conversion....not if its nice.... if it looks like an M1 Carbine just like his conversion looks like an M1 Garand then I will purchase it. Is there anything else I said that "contradicts" my post?
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Post by click on Nov 24, 2008 18:50:42 GMT -5
Alright well, you didnt specify. It seemed unclear to me. If you want to get the conversion, thinking it looks like a carbine be my guest. I think the other guys are trying to point out what is wrong to save people who want to be accurate from spending money on the wrong stuff.
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Post by ramborob17 on Nov 24, 2008 19:15:38 GMT -5
I think its fairly clear (correct me if I am wrong) that people thing the AZR conversions are a bit off. No need to keep repeating and criticizing and cutting at his product. I agree that there can be adjustments made to perfect his rifles. I suggested that maybe you guys need to send your suggestions to him. But if you have and he keeps making the same mistakes then that is his problem enough said. Bottom line if you are picky and cant stand to have a conversion like the ones pictured just do yourself a favor and buy 2nd bats conversion. It will just save you the headache that you are bound to get looking at it if its going to annoy you that much.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 24, 2008 21:19:34 GMT -5
Mine don't pretend to be perfect either. There are plenty of people who pick mine apart and practically lambast me in PMs for having the gall to even build and sell them. That is certainly their right. I have a lot of sympothy for anyone attempting a replica especially in a climate where perfection seems to border on obsession. Again everyones right and they can sit on the sidelines and snipe at anyone's efforts. Having said that I do giggle a little and wonder what their efforts look like...oh that's right they haven't built anything yet. It's like the guys we've had in the past who rip other peoples impressions apart but never post their own.
I've given AZR more than a little guidance, suggestions and even extensive drawings and measurements. He has challenges I'm not fully aware of. I think the machinery he has available and the base woods he uses preclude him from making the adaptations. His product is what it is. Overall it represents a reasonable value and a viable alternative in a market that has way too few choices.
I can't imagine that a M14 can provide a viable base for a carbine and if I had to make a prediction it's that the product will either never become available through him or will be far too much of a compromise for most of the audience on this site. I would LOVE to be wrong with that prediction.
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Post by youonlywish on Nov 26, 2008 0:19:31 GMT -5
Quoted from: ww2aa.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=VendorReviews&action=display&thread=3829Take it or leave it.. only my experience. Why NOT to order from AZR Machine: NOTE: This is my personal experience. I am not commenting on the company altogether, but rather, on my experience in dealing with them. To start out, this company was very professional and all around helpful with answering any questions I had about their product, a conversion kit for an M14. I ordered the kit soon after all of my probing was done. The kit took 22 days to make. Hand carved wood and metal was soon sent out via UPS. This is where things started to go awry. The kit was (as I suspected) held up at customs for a little bit. After it got through, the package was deemed as ‘lost’ from UPS. I opened a trace on the package and was told that any further information regarding the packages whereabouts would be sent ONLY to the shipper. I began contacting the shipper on a regular basis but was met with an empty inbox. The shipper refused to contact me any further on the issue. He would not respond to any further questioning I had regarding the shipment and it’s progress in UPS. After 2 full weeks, the shipper STILL did not answer any of my questions, or respond, by any means of contact, to me. I wanted to see if the shipper had gone offline, or perhaps was away for a duration of time, and COULDN’T respond. I had a close friend email him an general inquiry. He responded no sooner then a handful of hours later. Effectively proving he was indeed online, but still not replying to me. Today, the trace was closed at UPS. The package has been lost and the shipper refused to contact UPS with the information they requested from him, apparently over and over. He refused to produce the correct documentation, after being probed by both UPS and myself. A UPS agent told that the company had contacted him on more then a few occasions, requesting more information about the shipment, but he was absolutely no help, and would not return their calls. At this time, I am past the paypal 45 day window for any type of claim, and as such can not be reimbursed by them at all. I have lodged a complaint with paypal. UPS can offer no aid for me either as they are liable to the shipper. Luckily, Mastercard will have this issue resolved for me. I would STRONGLY suggest that any person looking for a custom M14 kit look elsewhere. It is my experience that the shipper does in fact produce the product (which has yet to be seen, obviously.) and he does in fact ship it. If anything should happen to your shipment along the way, however, do not expect ANY kind of help, even if the shipping company REQUIRES help from AZR Machine Co…
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Post by tinydata on Nov 26, 2008 8:54:50 GMT -5
has anybody had a positive buying experience from them?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 26, 2008 8:59:09 GMT -5
Yes people have its a hit or miss thing though. All the people that recieved there weapons, had to wait a long period like 6 monthes. Better to buy from 2nd Bat.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 26, 2008 14:00:14 GMT -5
I can be back ordered as well but I always let people know how long it will be and in almost all cases I can get the guns shipped within 5 weeks.
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Post by katipunero on Dec 6, 2008 17:00:45 GMT -5
It is well worth the effort of looking into this matter and present the situation downright as it really transpired , coming not solely from either party’s point of view but from a third party to get an unbiased presentation of facts. This I am doing based on the documents and exchanges furnished to me on this transaction. As the saying goes, there are always 2 sides in every story, but the truth and the outcome is what I believe holds the most weight at the end of the exercise. Here are the facts; 1.) Canadian Buyer expressed an interest of buying a Woodstock from this Seller. 2.) Seller went right back to this Buyer to advise him of his concerns about Canadian Customs regulations about this type of commodity –meaning there might be problems releasing it. Buyer advised “ it will be of no problem”. Both parties proceeded with the transaction. ( Pls. see attached e-mail). bill dun*ey <nba_superstar_99@hotmail.com> wrote: I am only looking to import the stock, handguards and assorted metal peices of the conversion kit ONLY. not an actual airsoft gun. I only wish to order the CONVERSION KIT.
I have imported stocks before, it will be no problem. Besides, you already have sold a kit to a reenactor friend of mine.
Is it still possible for you to send me an invoice?
billy. Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:38:58 -0700 From: azrproducts_ph@yahoo.com Subject: RE: M1- Importation concerns To: nba_superstar_99@hotmail.com
Dear Sir, We have some concerns re exporting to Canada. More particular on this provision of you're www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca i have taken this from www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/faq/import_e.asp Q. Can I import an air soft gun? Air soft guns that meet the definition of a replica firearm are prohibited. Replica firearms are devices that resemble a real firearm (other than an antique firearm) with near precision but that cannot cause serious injury or death. Many of these devices have to be assessed case by case to determine if they are replicas. Individuals cannot import replica firearms. A properly licensed business may be able to import a replica for an approved purpose such as for use in a film or theatrical production. The Canada Border Services Agency is responsible for controlling the import of air soft guns that are not replicas– for example, devices that resemble a generic firearm but not a specific make or model of firearm. For more information, please contact the Canada Border Services Agency. Provincial regulations may also apply. For example, some provinces may set a minimum age for acquiring an air soft gun. in as much as we like to complete this transaction as we know that is only considered as a model part only. Our company would like to know your thoughts on this. ( We are most concerns on complications that may occur from this shippment. ) Kind regards, Richard3.) The unit was made and shipped via UPS. Tracking number provided for consignee’s reference and information. Tracking# H7118985 335. If you check this on UPS website, package progress confirmed on May 7 that package is in transit for delivery after needed documentation was furnished by the Seller. ( The shipment complied with complete export documentation before it left origin. The Commercial Invoice apparently got lost and this was re-furnished by the Seller. 4.) Buyer filed a chargeback with Paypal for non- receipt of items. PayPal Case ID: PP-515-996-912 Reason for Dispute: Item not received Chargeback Reason Code: 4855 Chargeback Amount: $318.18 CAD Chargeback Date: Jul. 23, 2008 Status: Case Closed Based from the above transaction report Seller re-imbursed that Buyer of the whole amount he paid for this item, despite of the fact that the reason for non-delivery is clearly a customs clearance problem which the Seller has no more control of and of which Buyer has been clearly forewarned before the transaction was confirmed by both parties.
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Post by click on Dec 6, 2008 18:46:42 GMT -5
More over that information of half bake lies have been written everything about these fabricator. Gathering the correct information from the offical source about the issues of two Characters who where very much affected and have there own personal agenda to put forward. Mislead those unsuspecting guys. I have only to expose your aims out in the open. Wut?
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Post by katipunero on Dec 6, 2008 20:59:02 GMT -5
Another one on the thread that needs clarification, Buyer asked this Fabricator if he can make a Garand stock following his own specs. Seller sent a picture of this item to Fabricator and asked him to put the specs and measurements the Buyer wants on this unit. The picture with measurements; specs were sent to Seller. Seller confirmed he can do this. Product was made according to these specs, once done, pictures of the end product were sent to Buyer for his comments. Buyer did not ask anything changed based on these pictures, the product was shipped. Re-order was made on the same product.
This Buyer re-sells wooden stocks.
----------------------------EMAILS of Exchanges------------------
From: Buyer toinfo@azrmachine.com
dateFri, May 2, 2008 at 11:13 PM subjectRe: My order - Updates mailed-bybounce.secureserver.net
Richard, Thank you. The new design looks great in the pictures. (Much more Garand like) We have a huge WW2 event this month and it had been my intent to have it on hand for this game. I'm curious is it ever your intent to sell finished guns or just kits?
In a message dated 5/2/2008 2:08:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, info@azrmachine.com writes: Dear Sir, Your wood rifle stock updates attach. Prolonged process was due to wood quality process. During the milling process of the stock was needed pause due to moisture content of the stock and give it time to dry up ,to further process the stock would damage (warping) of the stock. delay was necessary to insure its straightness. rest assured that your job order will leave my faciltiy as soon as next week. Regards, Richard
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 6, 2008 21:16:44 GMT -5
and your accusation is? Also it is quite obvious you are not unbiased. You are the owner of AZR or someone very close to them. Therefore this still breaks down into he said she said.
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Post by burke on Dec 6, 2008 22:00:41 GMT -5
either way why not show us this carbine?
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Post by click on Dec 7, 2008 5:18:42 GMT -5
More over that information of half bake lies have been written everything about these fabricator. Gathering the correct information from the offical source about the issues of two Characters who where very much affected and have there own personal agenda to put forward. Mislead those unsuspecting guys. I have only to expose your aims out in the open. Wut? To not make myself appear stupid ;D. What I quoted was all that was said in the previous post when I replied to it. He must have edited it. Click
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Post by ramborob17 on Dec 7, 2008 10:35:04 GMT -5
I talked to Richard a few days ago. He said that the wood stock conversion would be for a Marushin M1 Carbine. Just a replacement stock if you don't like the marushin version. He did mention the possibility of creating an AEG M1 Carbine but I'm not sure what he has in mind as far as what base he is using to make it an AEG
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 7, 2008 11:56:39 GMT -5
That seems a bit odd.
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Post by burke on Dec 7, 2008 15:57:40 GMT -5
That's lame, I thought the site said m1 carbine, aeg conversion
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Post by ramborob17 on Dec 7, 2008 20:09:32 GMT -5
He did mention the possibility of creating an AEG M1 Carbine but I'm not sure what he has in mind as far as what base he is using to make it an AEG
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Post by tinydata on Dec 7, 2008 21:04:46 GMT -5
lame, why put it next to a M14 and say conversion kit?
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Post by biguk on Dec 10, 2008 16:27:47 GMT -5
I've seen the pics for this on the WW2 UK site...The site says its a conversion for an M14. Its alot of work to make an M14 gearbox fit. My mate has just about managed a similar thing with a Marushin stock.
It looks a tad too long aswell
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Post by tinydata on Dec 10, 2008 20:22:53 GMT -5
gahhhhh....
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Post by ramborob17 on Dec 10, 2008 22:29:35 GMT -5
maybe someone can ask him how he plans on doing this conversion. He might not want to tell you exactly how he plans on doing it but Im sure he would confirm if it is in fact going to be a m14 conversion
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 13, 2008 10:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by ramborob17 on Dec 13, 2008 10:19:19 GMT -5
I talked to him about the M1C. He said that he will be making the custom mount rail, the flash hider, and the cheek pad. It sounds like its going to be pretty affordable to
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 13, 2008 10:46:06 GMT -5
That sounds cool.
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Post by Medic on Dec 13, 2008 10:51:50 GMT -5
I'm confused, is the Carbine out yet?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 13, 2008 11:06:13 GMT -5
The Carbine Stock and Handguard in the picture is replacement wood parts for a Marushin M1 Carbine.
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Post by tinydata on Dec 20, 2008 19:58:34 GMT -5
wow... but wait! NOBODY SELLS THE CARBINE ANYMORE!
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Post by sarge12 on May 18, 2009 20:01:26 GMT -5
hi yall the only cheap easy way of making the m1 carbine AEG is to gut a broken Marushin M1 carbine and put a cheap mini m16 gearbox in and gutting the mini m16 mag down to size and removing the spring of a real steel m1 carbine magazine and putting the guts of the mini m16 magazine into the shell of the real steel m1 carbine clip
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