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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 28, 2009 19:39:34 GMT -5
We have a Wehrmacht Unit down here in Michigan. We have 5 members so far. I can't seem to figure out what German Heer Division we are going to portray. I am trying to find one that fought in Italy and Europe. If anyone has any suggestions let me know. Thanks!
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Post by Canning on Jul 28, 2009 19:59:54 GMT -5
How about the Africa Division? the 90th Light infantry division. They were founded in Africa but fought in Italy as well. It saw no action in France as the division was destroyed in Italy.
3rd Panzergrenadiers saw action on both the Eastern and Western fronts, they are also a possibility unless you are looking to do straight up Infantry.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 28, 2009 20:02:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply but it need to have seen action in both MTO and ETO.
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 28, 2009 20:11:51 GMT -5
How about just a regular old line infantry division? My friends and I also do 3rd infantry division Heer in blank fire. People should lay off the elite, or "named" divisions. There were FAR more regular line divisions than anything else.
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Post by MAS on Jul 28, 2009 20:13:07 GMT -5
Agreed
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 28, 2009 20:35:13 GMT -5
So just do general Infantry? I thought most divisions varied in uniform and equipment from one to another.
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Post by MAS on Jul 28, 2009 20:38:56 GMT -5
No not your average Heer just divisions like the Herman Goring Division. Sorry I have no clue how to spell that or anything else ;D
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Post by airbornerocks on Jul 28, 2009 20:42:22 GMT -5
Hehe I think it's Herman Goering Division. I would go with Fusiler
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Post by Garrick Udet on Jul 29, 2009 11:07:20 GMT -5
Mod, can you move this thread to unit recruiting, not really event oriented.
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 29, 2009 11:19:07 GMT -5
I know its boring,but regular infantry is the most COMMON. They were everywhere, so you can't go wrong at any event. Airborne troops were only in a few select battles,same with the SS. the were no SS in N. Africa,and only a brigade sized element in Italy. Herman Goring is an elite unit. Was only in Italy and the eastern front. I thought about it,then went Luftwaffe field division. the unit we portray in blank fire, 20th FD,fought mainly in Italy. But we can portray any one of the 22 field division units at any time during the War,even when they became part of the Heer.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jul 29, 2009 11:39:56 GMT -5
I don't know why this became an elite vs. regular troops discussion? He started out by asking for a suggestion for a German Heer unit. Nothing inherently elite about that.
3rd Infantry Division? Well, they were called that for a short time and then the 3rd Motorized and later the 3rd Panzer Grenadier. They are Heer. I also consider them technically not elite but let's face it, they were in a way. I'm biased. I think they "fit the bill." They were in Russian, Italy and France. Read up on them. The blank fire guys out East that do them don't want any airsofters doing them so that is the only drawback I see.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Jul 29, 2009 12:15:51 GMT -5
The blank fire guys out East that do them don't want any airsofters doing them so that is the only drawback I see. Well who made them the supreme commander of the 3rd Infantry Division? Go with the 3rd, its not like those East coast guys are going to send the Gestapo to your house.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 29, 2009 13:46:55 GMT -5
Yes I don't know how this started. I never said I wanted to do elite. 3rd Division sounds good, I'll research up on them.
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Post by Lev on Jul 29, 2009 14:55:08 GMT -5
Sgttom,
Bear in mind that the MOA (Midwest Ostfront Airsoft) does presently "do" the 3 PZGR, so there might be some confusion if you also pick the 3rd. Not trying to dissuade you, but just state facts.
Plus I don't necessarily want to be associated with somebody who finds it necessary to loudly brand themselves a "Orthodox Roman Catholic, Republican, Conservative!" Really, friend, most of us could give a sh*t.
-Udo ("Reformed Mormon, Independent, Libertarian!")
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Post by Garrick Udet on Jul 29, 2009 14:57:15 GMT -5
Repeating my previous point, MODs please move this thread to the appropriate forum.
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Post by oberst42 on Jul 29, 2009 17:41:24 GMT -5
you should try the 8th infantry regiment, they fought in poland, france, and russia, they fought throughout the entire war and surrendered to the soviets in moravia in may 1945 oberst - (Lutheran, No party, Monarchist)
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 29, 2009 17:42:48 GMT -5
I don't know why this became an elite vs. regular troops discussion? He started out by asking for a suggestion for a German Heer unit. Nothing inherently elite about that. 3rd Infantry Division? Well, they were called that for a short time and then the 3rd Motorized and later the 3rd Panzer Grenadier. They are Heer. I also consider them technically not elite but let's face it, they were in a way. I'm biased. I think they "fit the bill." They were in Russian, Italy and France. Read up on them. The blank fire guys out East that do them don't want any airsofters doing them so that is the only drawback I see. Umm,where did that come from?? WE who do the 3rd could care less who else does it! LOL! Nobody owns the name,it's not copyrighted or anything! LOL! Wow!
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jul 29, 2009 17:43:05 GMT -5
The blank fire guys out East that do them don't want any airsofters doing them so that is the only drawback I see. Well who made them the supreme commander of the 3rd Infantry Division? Go with the 3rd, its not like those East coast guys are going to send the Gestapo to your house. Well, to give the whole story - we had already decided on modeling ourselves after the 3rd Panzer Grenadiers after we decided to split away from the 9th SS. That decision had been made and graphics accomplished and research done. Then I tried some messages to the 3rd Panzer Grenadier blank fire guys and that's when we found out they were against us choosing their namesake. If I had known their stand at the start, we would have probably settled on another unit. I mean no point in ruffling feathers had I and others known. There is one 3rd blank fire guy on these boards named JugendKreiger and he has always been helpful and friendly however. They have a real nice site and I only wish them continued success even though. I guess to a degree, I see the rivalry as natural. They do all their stuff for the most part in a public setting while airsofters are always away from the public. Our standards are different even if we strive to do our best in our unit. sgttom - I guess Udo just wants you to do some research first. Don't get lazy. Find your own unit kind of thing. You'll feel better having done the work. If you still wanna go 3rd then go for it. Hey - if you guys ever cross the pond, you'd fit right in in a couple of years.
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 29, 2009 17:49:14 GMT -5
BTW, there were over 300 regular German infantry divisions at any given period during the War. This does NOT include, airborne,SS, panzergrenadier, mountain,Luftwaffe, or Panzer divisions.
Source: German Order of Battle WWII Vol. 4- German Infantry Divisions, by George F. Nafziger
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 29, 2009 19:10:36 GMT -5
Yes I didn't really like the idea of doing 3rd Panzer as there are a few other units doing the same. I'll just go research and pick it myself, thanks for the help anyways.
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Post by kilroy9thss on Jul 29, 2009 21:19:25 GMT -5
try grossdeutschland.. i dont think there very elite which really shouldnt matter.. idk y it would its a german div. like any other
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 29, 2009 22:48:10 GMT -5
try grossdeutschland.. i dont think there very elite which really shouldnt matter.. idk y it would its a german div. like any other GD was the Heers VERY elite unit!On par with some of the early SS divisions! They got the best weapons and equipment,and were used to shore up the line when it was weak. They also had the cuff title and special insignia. They also ONLY fought on the Eastern Front throughout their existence.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 19, 2009 14:53:27 GMT -5
1. I'd like to thank everyone that has been nice and helpful. 2. Everyone is allowed an opinion even ex Mormons(Secret handshake towards Udo) 3. Religion really has no place on this board at all. Neither does sexual prefrence or color of your skin I don't give two applesauce s if you are green with pink stripes, pray to the Great Umbuwaha while sticking your wick in two midget ponies. That is your business keep it that way. If you want to put your religious/political affliations in a signature fine don't beat me over the head with it and I will ignore it. 3a. You can always be a differnt unit of the same division if some other 3rd doesn't like it they can like it or lump it just do the unit right and make your impressions the best you can. 4. Douchbags; you know who you are I am tired of cleaning up threads after you. I would also like to say just because I deleted your post does not mean you fall into the douchebag catogory, I may just be tidying up and your post needed to be pruned because it made no sense after getting rid of somebody elses post. 5. The higher up may make me clean this up because of harsh language but honestly some people here are making my job harder for no reason and you ain't getting the hint with please's and thank you's.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 19, 2009 15:51:33 GMT -5
There are literally hundreds of Heer divisions to portray. Do some SERIOUS research,and pick one that floats your boat. REGULAR Heer units were the MAJORITY during the War. I think in AS,as well as blank fire,we've got WAAAY too many so called elite units. Pick a unit nobody's ever heard of,one that fought the whole War,maybe even on both fronts. Unless you have a panzer,or a halftrack, its kind of tough to portray a panzer unit,or panzergrenadier. Though some try!
The info is out there!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 19, 2009 16:11:52 GMT -5
Fine advice Mr. F. I too think we have too much eliteism and I have an 82nd impression. Nothing wrong with doing the down and dirty impression that most soldiers did.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 19, 2009 16:19:30 GMT -5
Fine advice Mr. F. I too think we have too much eliteism and I have an 82nd impression. Nothing wrong with doing the down and dirty impression that most soldiers did. Sure,and look at me in a fallschirmjager unit! BUT,I'm very flexible,I can do regular Heer if need be. I'd do regular GI or Russian if the weapons were more readily available. And less expensive! LOL!
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Post by mischief on Oct 19, 2009 17:12:49 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat as Bob, in I want to have a generic Heer, Russian, and British impression. The only time I get speciallized is doing FJ, Brit Para or Brit Commando. I like to be able to go anywhere and fit in where needed.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 19, 2009 17:59:16 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat as Bob, in I want to have a generic Heer, Russian, and British impression. The only time I get speciallized is doing FJ, Brit Para or Brit Commando. I like to be able to go anywhere and fit in where needed. About the ONLY thing I don't do is Brit, or US Marine!
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Post by herrgothic on Oct 21, 2009 1:42:54 GMT -5
GO HEER INFANTRY!!! For all you hosers that think this is just boring and the Heer just doesn't have the glamour of those sissies in camo, check out this: www.272nd.orgKlaus
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Post by germanman on Oct 24, 2009 10:06:18 GMT -5
hey im new to the alachua area and want to get into a reanactment group, u guys know of any german units?
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