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Post by Jager.Drü on Nov 23, 2006 16:25:29 GMT -5
I'm not going to be able to do it now, Just too much money, I feel like a jerk get both of us excited to do it but alas I cannot. I'm sorry to get your hopes up.
Drew
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2006 15:26:21 GMT -5
I was able to examine and shoot the MP7 Grease gun hybrid built by Schmitty. It's absolutely top notch. The finish work is Schmittys usual quality with even minor details well thought out and beautifully executed. Because the real Grease gun was fired with the bolt flap open. (Closed it served as a safety) Schmitty took the time to cut and shape a realistic bolt that would show through the open flap while still providing easy access to the hop up. The fabricated bolt slides in or out after you unscrew the front barrel (just like a real Grease gun) and serves as the wall reinforcment and guide for the front of the mech box. The relay he developed as a functional safety is very clever and easy to use (although you'd never figure it out on your own) The trap door at the back of the gun that provides access to the battery well is brilliantly designed and completely disquised. Schimitty used a tiny Li Poly battery but it's obvious that there was plenty of room for a more conventional battery or some additional weights. Schmitty added weight to the Hudson body and it has a nice feel but for those wanting a more representative and authentic weapon, additional weights could be added.
Finally Schmitty tended to the most minute of details. He used a real Grease gun metal magazine fitted with a AEG inner magazine. The Hudson logo was filled and the rediculous saftey used in the Hudson gas gun was removed and the hole filled. Schmitty filled in all the surface flaws where they needed to be filled with resin paste and sanded everything to a stamped steel finish. As a last touch he filed all the plastic flashing of the Hudson body, painted the gun and added mettalic details that makes it impossible to tell the gun body is actually plastic.
The end result is an awesomely reliable,robust little AEG that looks, feels and shoots great. Schmitty is the master and just keeps getting better and better. This gun should be built and marketed.
Tokyo Marui, SRC, CYMA, UTC are you listening? If I didn't already have a Custom Schmitty produced Grease gun AEG (From an earlier effort) I'd buy one of these in a New York minute.
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Post by schmitty on Nov 26, 2006 12:04:19 GMT -5
Drew: No worries, If or when you decide do take the plunge I'll be here. I know how it go's. My mind is changing gears all the time, Glad to see you are going to participate in the Bolt action contest.
2nd bat: Thanks very much for your kind review of the M3a1. I made an offer in the G-43 thread:
I will trade this gun for a Mas38 parts kit or G-43.
There is currently a G-43 on Gunbroaker.com for $400 (see g-43 thread).
And you can buy a Mas-38 parts kit from Sarco for $495. I have wanted to buy one myself but they won't ship to WA state (although I have had plenty of other companies ship parts kits here)
Schmitty
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Post by binarypunisher on Nov 26, 2006 13:08:10 GMT -5
Schmitty, did you get a chance to check out one of REMFs M14?
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Post by schmitty on Nov 30, 2006 10:43:01 GMT -5
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 19, 2007 18:26:34 GMT -5
not really trying to necro post....(since my question is relevant to the topic)...but could the M3 conversion be done with the mechbox from one of the WELL MP7s?here's what i'm talking about... store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-27710/WELL-Marui-Clone-Full/Detaili really want to convert my M3 but i don't want to spend $250 on a gun just to hack it...any input would be appreciated,thanks..
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Apr 19, 2007 18:30:41 GMT -5
Hmm, I would try it, it just depends if you are willing to risk $100.
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Post by jimseery on Apr 20, 2007 11:10:34 GMT -5
Speaking from total ignorance, would it be possible to use the internals from an MP40 in the M3A1 and use the works from the Hudson in MK3 Sten. I have the first two but don't have the skill to tear them apart with what I would hope to be some chance of success and I have found a source for the demilled Sten. Just a thought
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 20, 2007 13:03:58 GMT -5
It's certainly worth looking at whether the MP40 guts would work. The WELL knock off MP7 would probably work fine in this application since my understanding is it's a typical Chinese knock off of the Marui design which, though not identical, are usually very, very close. I think some enterprising individual should produce and sell these. They'd probably have to sell for $550.00 or so but I suspect there is at least some market for them. I know it wouldn't be worth it to build a single one for that but if you built say four or five at a time it might make sense.
Schmittys fear is that people won't pay that for a plastic gun body and he might be right but honestly they looked and felt amazingly good and of course functioned very well. I love mine, have used it extensively and have had no problems with it whatsoever.
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Post by TommyGunner on Apr 20, 2007 13:49:18 GMT -5
I know this has been explored but with the advent of the Mp-40 internals and the availablity of the Springer Grease Gun I think that it is worthtrying to put the two together. Although the dimensions are not 100% accuarte it would atleast get some grease guns on the field to replace some Thompsons.
2ndbat maybe you could try this both components are cheap and possibly you could make it for sale, I could see them for about $350ish.
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 20, 2007 19:08:40 GMT -5
the spring M3 is very over scaled compared to the hudson M3...like 150%....the barrel alone is a good 3 inches longer than normal and almost an inch across.....way too big....and yes,i have one that i got for my youngest.(usually my durability tester).....it broke in about 15 mins of backyard usage... personally i'd love to get my hudson converted...i just like the utilitarian feel of it and i'd like to have a smg besides my thompson to use....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 20, 2007 20:08:08 GMT -5
I bought two of the Springer Greasers with that specifically in mind and upon receipt of them agree with Savoy six. Their dimensions were just goofy. If you're going to go to the labor and effort to do the conversion I'd recommend using a gutted broken Hudson Greaser and God knows there are enough of them around.
The problem of course if you're going to do custom work and something takes 50 hours to do even at $20.00 an hour that's $1,000.00. The only way to keep custom rifles affordable is to do them yourself or find someone who is set up to do them efficiently and willing to dedicate the time.
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Post by cosmic on Apr 29, 2007 18:42:59 GMT -5
Has anyone got any ideas on doing this conversion with a gearbox from a AGM MP40?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 29, 2007 19:11:59 GMT -5
I suspect it would work and am surprised it hasn't been attempted but since we know the MP7 works fine and the layout is provided fairly clearly earlier in the thread it seems if someone wanted a Greaser AEG that would be the way to go especially with the availability of the Chinese clone MP7 selling for around $100.00. In that way one wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel as it were.
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Post by cosmic on Apr 30, 2007 6:31:11 GMT -5
My reason for asking was because theres more replacment parts available for the V3 gearbox that the MP40's is based on so stripped gears wouldnt be the end of the world!
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Post by schmitty on Apr 30, 2007 8:48:32 GMT -5
I actually don't think the MP-40 gearbox will fit without some major scale infidelitys. The motor would end up in the M3's trigger area. I have not seen or tested the Wells mp-7 but if you're looking to try this project cheaply then this would make a good choice.
Schmitty
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Post by schmitty on Apr 30, 2007 8:50:56 GMT -5
Oh forgot to mention: The reciever tube of the grease gun is larger diameter then the Sten guns so the Hudson gas mechanism will not easily fit into a Sten.
Schmitty
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Post by fadedcorona on Oct 25, 2007 1:43:20 GMT -5
that looks really nice!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 5, 2008 14:46:02 GMT -5
I see that the price on the Well MP7 continues to come down and am very tempted to go ahead with this project. Naturally I will need to acquire a gutted Hudson Grease gun as cheaply as possible. I don't need the magazine so just the hudson shell barrel and telescoping wire stock. Anyone?
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Post by Young Blood on Jan 23, 2008 0:20:28 GMT -5
how much do you charge to do this??
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 24, 2008 23:52:51 GMT -5
Again the time involved just doesn't make it feasible as a custom commercial venture. It absolutely a worthwhile project for personal use however. I'm making two more spare magazines now for my AEG Greaser and am using Thompson mags fitted inside two actual grease gun magazine housings.
It's weird one of the actual Grease gun mags slid beautifully into the Hudson mag well while the other needed quite a bit of grinding With the top of the Grease gun magazine cut down a tiny bit to accomodate the Thompson inner mecahnism and feed nozzle the Grease gun release mechanism works perfectly. The Grease gun magazines are about an inch and quarter longer then the Thompson 30 round magazines which was also a bit of a surprise. Obviously not a problem but curious.
Since I now have a couple spare Thompson metal housings I'm going to do Tommy Gunners shorter low cap 20 round Thompson magazine conversions. (I like the look of the 20 round Thompson magazines and when manuevering on my belly find the shorter mags are nicer.)
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Post by joeska on Aug 11, 2009 12:02:13 GMT -5
hey wouldnt it been easier jsut to use a tommy low cap i mean its not a dead on concept with magazines but that be cheaper thena real mag conversion.Also would this work with well or kwa mp7?
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