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Post by slick63 on Dec 13, 2009 14:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 13, 2009 14:41:03 GMT -5
Who the hell are Hexagon Products??
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Post by slick63 on Dec 13, 2009 15:23:51 GMT -5
They normally make upgrade or conversion parts, their stuff pops up on Gunner Airsoft. This looks to be the first complete gun they`ve produced.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 13, 2009 15:25:38 GMT -5
They normally make upgrade or conversion parts, their stuff pops up on Gunner Airsoft. This looks to be the first complete gun they`ve produced. >> Interesting. Looks like the floodgates are opening on PPSH's!
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Post by CptJericho on Dec 13, 2009 16:54:31 GMT -5
Hopefully more good things to come out of AGM (or any airsoft manufacturer)
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Post by krumlauf83 on Dec 13, 2009 18:30:26 GMT -5
"Gearbox is upgraded with Steel bushings, Metal cylinder head and o-ring sealed Nozzle" Hmm, could this possibly be a upgraded AGM PPSH-41?
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 13, 2009 18:42:28 GMT -5
damn, that looks nice! where did you get this picture? if the agm ppsh had a stick mag. that would be sweet.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 13, 2009 19:00:50 GMT -5
damn, that looks nice! where did you get this picture? if the agm ppsh had a stick mag. that would be sweet. >> That pic is on the Hexagon website.
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Post by dasneor on Dec 13, 2009 19:46:00 GMT -5
The woodstock is the one part that looks bad... the grip section is too fat. Hopefully it will be able to accept a RS PPSh woodstock
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 13, 2009 20:15:05 GMT -5
i think AGM would do a better job. lol or we could at least hope so.
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Post by mischief on Dec 13, 2009 23:18:42 GMT -5
As long as its wood! I'm so darn tired of plastic stocks! Even if its semi cheap wood it can be refinished to a better color, and given that "war" look with some dings and scratches
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 13, 2009 23:22:32 GMT -5
I think we're splitting hairs here! I know I'n nutty when it comes to authenticity, but thats a VERY minor thing to criticize. I mean,the STG isn't perfect either,but it does the job. THIS, OTOH, looks to be a better model than the Stg. I and many in the hobby will welcome this with open arms when it is released. I know I'm going to get at least one of these,maybe 2.
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Post by CptJericho on Dec 13, 2009 23:34:17 GMT -5
much better than people running around with burlap ak47s! ;D
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 13, 2009 23:49:33 GMT -5
much better than people running around with burlap ak47s! ;D >> Absolutely!
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Post by hairy apple on Dec 13, 2009 23:55:03 GMT -5
The stock does look kinda funky, but nothing a little repainting can't fix.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 14, 2009 0:21:37 GMT -5
The soviet block often used a blonde stain on their weapons (although I would agree it appears a bit light to me.) A black wash would probably set it off about right. As for the stock neck I agree with Fusilier. Why is it before a new offering even hits the ground everyone and his buddy feels the need to get their digs in about lack of authenticicity or this and that. Gads it's a wonder any of these folks would want to put out anything new, since inevitably they'll have to put up with all the biting comments from the peanut gallery that constitutes such a significant part of our community. Clearly the thickness of the neck is there to accomodate the motor. In case you're wondering why so many of these seemingly obvious offerings nevere seem to materialize (Like a PPSH, M1 carbine or an SKS AEG it's because the real guns demensions will not allow the use of available gearbox, motor designs. In order to offer such things some infidelities are required. I for one am fine with it as I'd rather see close approximations representing a wider variety of military weapons then 80 of the players with the same type of gun or a modern variant filling in.
I'm thrilled to see AGM supporting out hobby and choose to focus on what's right about their offerings rather than what is wrong with them.
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Post by mischief on Dec 14, 2009 0:26:43 GMT -5
So will there be a stick mag for it, and will this lead to making the PPS-43 with a lipo? I'll just be happy to see these hit the shelves in time for spring.
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Post by Ersatzjack on Dec 14, 2009 1:06:13 GMT -5
What 2nd Bat said. - Ditto!! Pps-43? How? Where does anything go on that model? You're dreaming Mischief. Maybe, an escort version but that would be gas and it would cost more than $99 so who would buy it? Why would anyone want a stick mag for the PPsh-41? I mean, were is the advantage? The drum mag was the norm and it looks cooler, and has more function, but to each their own. I have to say, I am pretty excited they are doing a commercial build of the PPsh-41. It will really help out the Russian side of MOA. I guess we'll argue about who has the best version later.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Dec 14, 2009 1:24:39 GMT -5
I'm going to voice the same concerns here that I had for the Sten. As popular as PPSH's may be in the wake of... well... CODWAW I'm a little skeptical about the market's ability to support 3 different brands of the same gun. Certainly it's not as popular as an AK or an M4. I could see 2 different brands working; ARES making a top-notch premium model while AGM makes a widely accessible one, but with a third company landing somewhere between both of those... well... only time will tell.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 14, 2009 5:58:31 GMT -5
I got word from Hexagon that it is being released in France(?) sometime next month.
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Post by m5a11943 on Dec 14, 2009 8:45:58 GMT -5
It's just great to see this gun out there in the market place! As for the nit-picky give me a break! At ten feet away no one could see that anyway!!!! This is a start as all the others have been. Haven't we seen some improvements to the guns already out there, like the Sten. Quit being stitch counters! If it looks good in the field and works good I will take it!!! Even at this price it is great.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 14, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -5
Yea the stock doesn't look 100% correct but with a bit of sanding it would be fine. Although I am not Russian that PPSH41 looks really nice. Some of that Chinese wood can look more like plastic then wood, but this actually looks nice. I am sure AGM's model will not be as nice, internally or externally but hey I know it will be cheaper. I am really excited about AGM!!! I can't wait to see what they will think of next.
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Post by Garrick Udet on Dec 14, 2009 11:59:15 GMT -5
I find it funny that all of you criticizing a gun that has yet to be offered for sale don't even have a Soviet impression... so it's not like you're actually going to use this in a game... and if you do, what's more farb? Having a PPSh that is slightly off in it's dimensions, or having that PPSh in the hands of somebody wearing a 101st impression?
That's what I thought...
Really people, how about you wait until somebody actually buys this and posts a review before passing judgment? A radical concept I know...
Plus, to echo others' comments, it certainly passes the 10 foot rule.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 14, 2009 12:39:25 GMT -5
I read a wonderful book about Patton the other day. PATTON, MONTGOMERY and ROMMEL (Masters of War) by Brighton. In it, the authors says that between the wars Patton would drag his wife Beatrice to every war movie, from every period that was showing at the Post Theater The author said that according to Beatrice he would walk out on easily 60% of them because the equipment or uniforms weren't correct and he couldn't stand the innacuracies. I think we are all infected with that bug to some degree. The presence of any and all WW2 period weapons is a God send and long overdue. They will do much to further our hobby especially if they are functional and affordable. Naturally the more authentic they are, the better. We are all frustrated by the fact that doing it right doesn't cost anymore than the compromises (in most cases) In the case of this PPSH the fat stock will look fine in the hands of your Russian, CHICOM or VC opponent. Hopefully all three offerings will succeed in the marketplace as success is what will breed additional offerings. I am confident that the custom home projects have encouraged their availability as it demonstrates a vacume that the market wants filled.
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Post by toboggan on Dec 14, 2009 14:27:38 GMT -5
I find it funny that all of you criticizing a gun that has yet to be offered for sale don't even have a Soviet impression... so it's not like you're actually going to use this in a game... and if you do, what's more farb? Having a PPSh that is slightly off in it's dimensions, or having that PPSh in the hands of somebody wearing a 101st impression? That's what I thought... Really people, how about you wait until somebody actually buys this and posts a review before passing judgment? A radical concept I know... Plus, to echo others' comments, it certainly passes the 10 foot rule. i agree with you 100% No one has personally seen this rifle up close and personal other then that one picture, in my mind, it looks fantastic, i'd rather the neck be a little thicker, because knowing me, if i fall, and slide down a hill with this gun, i won't snap the stock(that's how i got the name toboggan). As well, at least someone put in the time and effort to build something for our airsoft community, they could have just left us making our own guns, which would more than likely cost a lot more then the 295$ you're paying for one that is already put together, and works.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 14, 2009 15:50:15 GMT -5
I find it funny that all of you criticizing a gun that has yet to be offered for sale don't even have a Soviet impression... so it's not like you're actually going to use this in a game... and if you do, what's more farb? Having a PPSh that is slightly off in it's dimensions, or having that PPSh in the hands of somebody wearing a 101st impression? That's what I thought... Really people, how about you wait until somebody actually buys this and posts a review before passing judgment? A radical concept I know... Plus, to echo others' comments, it certainly passes the 10 foot rule. >> You're 100% correct! Speaking for myself,I've been doing Soviet in blank fire for well over 15 years and never thought I could do it CORRECTLY till now. I'm no fan of the "10 foot rule" when it comes to most things,but with this,the inaccuracies do not overshadow the accuracies.
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 14, 2009 17:29:22 GMT -5
ya, this is just the start of ppshs we cant afford to be nitpicky. just be happy they are actually on the market.
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Post by zzs8mm on Dec 14, 2009 18:17:09 GMT -5
That picture is probably a pre-production model... maybe they corrected it already?
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Post by oberst42 on Dec 14, 2009 18:18:10 GMT -5
i'm still hoping for an AGM V-2 missile, lol
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Post by toboggan on Dec 14, 2009 18:35:54 GMT -5
i'm still hoping for an AGM V-2 missile, lol THAT WOULD BE SOOO COOL hahaha
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