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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 17, 2010 12:42:10 GMT -5
I stand corrected and hereby publicly apologize for jumping in Fusiliers stuff. I know how difficult and frustrating it is to organize and sponsor an event and WW2 airsoft is especially challenging because at this early stage of the hobby there is a wide variety of expectations and visions about what an event should look like.
I've known far too many willing participants who chose not to attend an event because their "Kit" wasn't ready (even though there were plenty of folks willing and excited about loaning gear to supplement it) I've also heard from dozens of folks who upon arriving said they almost didn't come because they felt intimidated that their underwear weren't period correct or some such nonsense.
We can come across as unwelcoming and that doesn't serve this hobby well at all. I've seen local events grow from embarrissingly corny early efforts to pretty darned sophisticated endeavors with excellent (albeit still not perfect) impressions and gear and love seeing the progression and growth. I see other areas struggling to hold successful events due to lack of enrollements and that frustrates me.
Sorry about my attack it was uncalled for. Fusilier is probably the first and most willing to loan gear and supplement others efforts and he is a great source of information with a strong living history background.
When you see an event that intrigues you and you think you'd like to attend get the skinny on what's required and if your budget allows it and your calendar is open, by all means go. Quality WW2 events are preciously few in number and need your support. This looks like a great one!
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Post by cryonics on Feb 21, 2010 2:30:48 GMT -5
I have been away for a week during the school holidays and come back to see many many new posts for this event. I am glad to see that there is momentum building and that we will probably have a good turn out. I would just like to pipe in as one of those people new to Airsoft and very excited to be able to participate. We are several players who decided to purchase period weapons and clothing so as to be able to participate. While we made every effort to be as accurate as possible, we hope that if we missed a color or stripe here and there that no one will begrudge us. We fully support authenticity and have tried very hard to conform, but we fear that we may have missed small subtleties that will make us stand out as outcasts. We hope to be able to fit in to this new hobby and grow into the Airsoft WW2 veterans that many of you are with help and encouragement from you if we miss a spot once in a while. So please be kind to us newbies and if we ask dumb questions, please understand that we are just trying to learn and educate ourselves so that in the future we might in turn be able to help new Airsoft players join our ranks. PS: What color boots do the Germans wear?
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Post by Fusilier on Feb 21, 2010 10:32:32 GMT -5
I have been away for a week during the school holidays and come back to see many many new posts for this event. I am glad to see that there is momentum building and that we will probably have a good turn out. I would just like to pipe in as one of those people new to Airsoft and very excited to be able to participate. We are several players who decided to purchase period weapons and clothing so as to be able to participate. While we made every effort to be as accurate as possible, we hope that if we missed a color or stripe here and there that no one will begrudge us. We fully support authenticity and have tried very hard to conform, but we fear that we may have missed small subtleties that will make us stand out as outcasts. We hope to be able to fit in to this new hobby and grow into the Airsoft WW2 veterans that many of you are with help and encouragement from you if we miss a spot once in a while. So please be kind to us newbies and if we ask dumb questions, please understand that we are just trying to learn and educate ourselves so that in the future we might in turn be able to help new Airsoft players join our ranks. PS: What color boots do the Germans wear? >> Thats easy,the Germans wore green boots! ;D Anyway,feel free to ask all the questions you want,even if you think its not important. What side do you plan on doing?
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Feb 21, 2010 13:48:12 GMT -5
ok all... just to clear it up i'll be there this time! sigh... sorry about the last event!!! Austin is a go too! IDK about brian and sean
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Post by cryonics on Feb 21, 2010 19:03:57 GMT -5
Thanks Fusilier, I appreciate the offer of help. We are on the German side. Most of the weapons we owned were of modern type. As a result we purchased MP44 and MP40's so has to be able to participate in this event. We have purchased M36 tunics and figured black boots would be appropriate, but after seeing the posts about boot color, I figured I would just check One other question that was not answered earlier, is the BB's. I assume we bring our own and was wondering if FGF had requirements for biodegradables and if there was a weight restriction. For example are we ok using 30g bb's or are we limited to 20g. I realize these are probably dumb questions to the veteran but we just want to make sure we do this right and show up fully prepared. Thanks for your help, we are three guys in our forties having a mid life crisis and have just gotten into Airsoft which is a blast. Looking forward to meeting you all.
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Post by Fusilier on Feb 21, 2010 19:17:31 GMT -5
Thanks Fusilier, I appreciate the offer of help. We are on the German side. Most of the weapons we owned were of modern type. As a result we purchased MP44 and MP40's so has to be able to participate in this event. We have purchased M36 tunics and figured black boots would be appropriate, but after seeing the posts about boot color, I figured I would just check One other question that was not answered earlier, is the BB's. I assume we bring our own and was wondering if FGF had requirements for biodegradables and if there was a weight restriction. For example are we ok using 30g bb's or are we limited to 20g. I realize these are probably dumb questions to the veteran but we just want to make sure we do this right and show up fully prepared. Thanks for your help, we are three guys in our forties having a mid life crisis and have just gotten into Airsoft which is a blast. Looking forward to meeting you all. >> Well welcome to the over 40 club! lol! Nobody I know uses .30 weight BB's. The standard is .20, with some using .23. As for boots,this is a late War event. MOST Germans at that time were issued low boots and gaiters,though some veterans still held onto their marching boots. Tunics. Same as with the boots. Whatever veterans their were may have clung to the pre war issue M36 tunics,but in reality there was a mix of M36/M40/M42/M43. I will be wearing an M42. Helmets,same as the tunics ,a good mix of M35/M40/M43. By this time most had NO decals,especially the tricolor on the right side,that was ordered abolished after 1940. Feel free to ask anything you want,we'll try to answer them as best we can.
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Post by piper318 on Feb 21, 2010 20:29:11 GMT -5
In answer to your question we generally use 20g BBs at the field 23g are also excepted and yes you do supply your own ammunition and you are not restricted to Bio BBs. There may be ammunition for sale at the field I will know for sure a month before the event
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Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Feb 21, 2010 22:49:10 GMT -5
Cryonics, welcome to WWII Airsoft it is addicting and you will love it! We have put together a guide for building a late war German army Panzer grenadier. When you put shoulder boards in your tunic for this event try to make them red for an Artillery company like this www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos18/rse481.jpg The late war style shoulderboards will give the look of a re issued M36, better than using the red piping with bottle green boards which will match the collar of the M36 ala early war (pre '40 or '41) I will be wearing an M36 or 43 tunic. I will be the overall German commander for the Brecourt event so I welcome you to the Wehrmacht! See our guide here and feel free to ask either Bob or myself where to get the best price versus quality, sorry I cant welcome you to the over 40 club as I have a few years to go! Here is our guide Click on the pictures for names and uses of each issued item: www.facebook.com/profile.php?v=feed&id=1545045177#!/album.php?aid=149726&id=308953938770
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 22, 2010 0:23:32 GMT -5
It's interesting but while the 20 or .23s will generate a higher FPS at the muzzle, due to inertia they will lose momentum faster than .25s and actually not travel as far. The lighter BBs also are effected by the wind more than .25s and do not penetrate the brush quite as well. Both the current MP40 and especially the MP44 generate enough power in stock issue to support the heavier BBs. (Any airsoft gun shotting 300 FPS or greater with .20 grams will)
Though the most common BBs used the .25s are actually a better choice. With the heavier BB you will have to adjust to a slightly greater level of Hopup as the heavier Bbs require somewhat more back spin.
Probably more than you wanted to know about BBs and certainly more than anyone needs to know but a little known, helpful tip, for you newbies. Us guys over 40 need all the help we can get. The biggest advantage we have over the kids is we "Know" we can't outrun the BBs and the kids still actually try!
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Post by Canning on Feb 22, 2010 15:51:16 GMT -5
For BB's i like to bring .20's and .25's, then adjust to what i need. It's a little tricky and probably too much of a hassle, but for the field i usually play at its a big mix of trees and open field. So it works well as the .20's will sometimes not go through the bush. Again probably a little unnecessary but it works for me.
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Post by cryonics on Feb 22, 2010 18:45:15 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info. I actually found some Golden Ball 26g BB's that I have been experimenting with. I have found they tend to fly straighter much farther than the 20's that seem to deflect in distance. Thanks Gerry for the guide. Was not aware of the red pipping shoulderboards. I am always open to best price versus quality. Right now Ebay seems to have a nice selection of choices, but I am open to other suggestions if anyone has good vendors. Looking forward to meeting you all, wish it was June already PS: Gerry, we will welcome you to the 40's club in two years, just around the corner
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Post by MAS on Feb 23, 2010 21:13:40 GMT -5
will there be prop guns? 105s
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Post by piper318 on Feb 23, 2010 22:18:17 GMT -5
yes I will be building three 105 MM artillery pieces for this event. I hope to make it least one of them able to fire tennis balls. All three are artillery pieces will be quite large with 8 to 10 foot long barrels. See everyone there
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Post by Gerry on Feb 23, 2010 22:34:26 GMT -5
Here is how we are organizing the German forces: 1st battalion, Gebirgs Artillerie regiment 191 This will be a static defense position and will mimic the artillery men running the guns. *good for you guys over 40 1058 grenadier regimentThis will be infantry, this unit will be used for additional defense of the battery, used in reserve for counter attack or for offensive operations. 6th Parachute regimentThis squad will have the same duties as the Grenadiers with less emphasis on Static defense 9the SSThis squad will fall under command of the Heer Remember these units (other than the SS) are the ones that were historicaly in this area on Dday not units that are participating in the event we are not trying to rename your unit! You will fall into each squad depending on your impression. Please decide what group you would like to be with and send this along to Mark. If some squads get to heavy we will move some men around to even them out. We would like to have your insignia correct.. if you are joining the artillery please have red waffenfarbe on your shoulderboards like this: cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190171738391&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT if you are going as a grenadier have white waffenfarbe like this: cgi.ebay.com/Army-M43-shoulder-boards-White-piping_W0QQitemZ190171738703QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2c471e724f. Some of the things I have planned for the Germans are: *I will be making a period meal that will be served to the front lines on Saturday afternoon, be sure to bring your Mess tin to the event. *We will be issuing a prepacked "Eiserne Potion" for consumtion on orders *We will be giving 3 awards with proper documentation, they will be the following: General assault badge- For the Participant who has the highest level of authenticity. This will primarily consist of your impression like your uniform, haircut, carrying your weapon, keeping your billet period and how you carry yourself and act towards NCO's. Iron cross 2nd class- For selfless acts of bravery, courage and aggressiveness on the battlefield similar to what it was originally awarded for. Sportsmanship will be of much consideration. Iron Cross first class- for all actions contained in the Iron cross 2nd class with heavy emphasis on leadership & Sportsmanship. I will be constantly inspecting the billets for non period items like green gas cans, jars of BB's, battery chargers, mountain dew bottles, non period food etc. This is not to say you should not have these things just not in plain view! Bring a period wood box or rucksack to keep your equipment in or cover it with a zeltbahn. I will be watching men in the field and consulting my squad leaders on actions by individuals on the field. You will be awarded these in a proper manner in front of your team mates You will receive documentation with the badge and you should be proud to wear this at all future events knowing you earned it and didn't just buy a $15 badge on the internet! The award ceremony will take place at the end of the event and prior to the winning team announcement. Please make every attaempt possible to get pre registered for this event so we know what to prepare! More to come.......
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Post by Ersatzjack on Feb 24, 2010 0:10:04 GMT -5
Gerry - I like the awards and the reasoning behind them. That makes it interesting.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 24, 2010 0:33:57 GMT -5
Hear! Hear! I personally find raffles or such nonsense unappealing but I've always liked the idea of acknowledging great effort on the part of destinguished participants behaviors.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 24, 2010 7:25:40 GMT -5
A very nice touch Gerry. We generally do a raffle with something WW2 related like a gun or kit when we can but I think Iw ill follow your lead on the next one and maybe give out some awards at my next one...That is one of the reasons I like it here. We can all collaborate on ways to make our individual games better.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Feb 24, 2010 7:50:54 GMT -5
Well! I better clean up my uniform. I want to look my best at awards presentation.
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Post by piper318 on Feb 24, 2010 8:27:06 GMT -5
I'd like to publicly thank Gerry for his outstanding efforts and assistance in this event he has been a great help in organizing the German forces and will of course make an outstanding commander. When participants do what they can to assist in an event it makes the job of a event organizer much easier. With help like Gerry's I will definitely be striving to make this one of the best events ever put on in the northeast. Thank you again everyone for your help. Signed mark
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Post by Fusilier on Feb 24, 2010 10:30:57 GMT -5
I vant the Iron Cross....LOL!
All kidding aside, this gives people something to shoot for so to speak. Shiny new toys are great and all, but this actually sets the event apart from your normal shoot em up,capture the flag type event. Lets hope this is the standard for future WW2 events.
BTW,thanks for that little shot at us OLD guys! LOL!
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Feb 24, 2010 11:07:09 GMT -5
You should probably shoot for the assault badge with your background on spit and polish. Leave those selfless, bravery awards for us Lorraniners. We don't mind getting a little dirty.
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Post by gman on Feb 25, 2010 9:03:32 GMT -5
Not to change the subject... but what is the "Strategery" on Allied victory? Blind them with our bedazzled helmets? Or is this to early to ask?
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Post by piper318 on Feb 25, 2010 19:49:04 GMT -5
This is a WWII AirSoft Association event will be following their rules and guidelines as stated on the first POST
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Post by Gerry on Feb 26, 2010 11:26:57 GMT -5
Thank you guys for the kind words! Mark, I know what it is like to run a total immersion event with decent attendance and I promise all of you it is not easy!!! I am glad to be of any assistance. If many of you guys that have studied German army impressions you will notice one thing many of the men, enlisted or officers carry many decorations on their chest. In a losing army with low morale this was a way for the high command to increase morale the awarding of "tinnies" was quite common practice. Here is an overview of what these awards were originally given for and what they look like: General assault badge: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/war_badges/heer/general_assault.htmIron cross 2nd class: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron_cross/2nd_1st_class/2nd_class/ironcross_2.htmIron Cross 1st class www.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron_cross/2nd_1st_class/1st_class/ironcross1.htmDocumentation for both crosses: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/iron_cross/2nd_1st_class/2_1_documents_cases/documents.htmSince this will be our annual spring event much like "Rhineland" was last year we will make this awards presentation an annual event. For German forces you may have only 2 chances each year consisting of three awards each event to claim one. That is 6 awards per year for an unlimited number of skirmishers at 2 major events. SO you can wear these awards with pride on your impression knowing you earned them and when someone askes you what you received that award for you have a story not a receipt! To all German participants please refer to the following page for German formation commands. I want to have a fairly authentic formation for presenting these awards. We will practice prior to presesntation: www.dererstezug.com/SchooloftheSoldier.htm
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Post by panzergrenadier on Feb 26, 2010 16:43:21 GMT -5
This should be a good one! I can't wait! We are gonna have some good times Bob!
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Post by Fusilier on Feb 27, 2010 11:31:22 GMT -5
This should be a good one! I can't wait! We are gonna have some good times Bob! >>> Oh,I can't wait! I ordered a new tunic for this event! Gonna be cool!
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Gerry
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Post by Gerry on Feb 28, 2010 21:25:15 GMT -5
New and exciting news! I just received the custom stamps for the award documents for the event. This is what they look like: Here is a test of an award document I made, don't mind the typing as the typewriter is 70 years old and tends to have a quirk every once in a while! We will also be able to do soldbucher entries for the event if anyone has one and wants an enty and an inventory. If anyone needs stamps for their unit or events please contact my friend Bryan at: ahrweiler@hotmail.com tell him Gerry sent you. His prices blow away anyone elses anywhere. contact him for a quote. -G
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Post by Fusilier on Feb 28, 2010 23:26:16 GMT -5
Thats awesome Gerry! I should be getting my new soldbuch any day now! PM me about the unit banner..
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Post by Gordak on Mar 1, 2010 13:47:19 GMT -5
WOW!
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Post by cryonics on Mar 1, 2010 18:44:03 GMT -5
Nice job Gerry. I am very impressed
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