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Post by ivymp4 on Aug 13, 2007 23:40:19 GMT -5
Ever wounder why you can't see a 101st patch in those pics thats because they were taken before those men were assigned to the 101st, O and take off the CIB if you didn't earn it don't put in on.
cody
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Post by Guinness on Aug 14, 2007 0:09:11 GMT -5
Well, I have to say this: I'm a man of principle, it just annoys me when I don't have all the needed items in impression . I still don't have some items in my (Normandy) impression like: hawkins mine, paratroopers first-aid kit and so on.. (well ok, I've just got 1st pattern Screaming Eagle tab, sergeants stripes, gas alert brassard, cricket, M1942 horse gloves). I have also Op: Market Garden impression which is based on M43 (paratrooper modified) uniform and outfit. For the Battle of the Bulge I have "melton" overcoat ja warm underwears, still Bastogne impression needs U.S. Wool gloves. Now I have also started to build German Wehrmacht Heers impression for the Ostfront (Eastern front), maybe I'll put pics of it to here when I get that set "OK"-condition. But OK, I will put new pics in the 'Stitch-Knot-See' thread PS. if you wan't to see "gear list" of my impression, here it is: www.armbell.com/frontlinetroops/viewtopic.php?t=11&mforum=frontlinetroops(items list is English but all the other applesauce is Finnish, don't care about it) Blackburn, who shall henceforth be known as 'Blackie' Is the .30 cal Airsoft? if so did you do the conversion? more detail please- and again, compliments to the photographer/photoshop graphic artist- well done again! -Slainte! -G
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 0:51:13 GMT -5
Ever wounder why you can't see a 101st patch in those pics thats because they were taken before those men were assigned to the 101st, O and take off the CIB if you didn't earn it don't put in on. cody get me some evidence that the airborne never wore the service cap, you havent shown me any that they didnt sure there was quite a bit of OS caps, but im not seeing anything that says they didnt. Also... I have been told by a couple vets that since "they earned the damned thing i should have it on" Im not wearing it to say... Look at me IM A COMBAT VET!... im wearing it to portray a uniform of a man who went through combat in ww2. -Cary
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Post by Guinness on Aug 14, 2007 0:58:32 GMT -5
Then let your conscience be your guide- just understand that you will likely run into more fellow reenactors and Airsoft reenactors than Veterans and we will always say the same thing- Don't wear it if ya didn't earn it.
Slainte!
-G
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 1:02:16 GMT -5
Well... what the vets say is what means something to me... sorry but its not as big of a deal if a reenactor says something... its the vets, Im' not trying to impress anyone here. -Cary
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Post by valtteri on Aug 14, 2007 3:47:43 GMT -5
They wouldn't let you out of the barracks door in class As with that hair..
Guinness, the .30cal is airsoft, Airsharp M1919A4.
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Post by click on Aug 14, 2007 4:07:56 GMT -5
They wouldn't let you out of the barracks door in class As with that hair.. Lol! That's just what I was going to say! Click
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Aug 14, 2007 8:44:22 GMT -5
Well... what the vets say is what means something to me... sorry but its not as big of a deal if a reenactor says something... its the vets, Im' not trying to impress anyone here. -Cary I know dozens of vets that would beat you sensless with their cane if they caught you wearing it....I know for a fact it was that type of thing that Dick Winters tore into a few reenactors for doing.... and yes the pics you provided of the airborne guys wearing service caps are all prior to assignment to the airborne - look at the uniforms - two of the guys are wearing VERY light colored shirts - I'm thinking those were obviously stateside pics from pre-war or very early....... as for Cody (ivymp4) proving that they didnt wear them - the burden of proof is on you, not him. Provide just one pic of a guy wearing a service cap with an airborne patch, or any other proof that it was taken after he was assigned tot eh airborne and then you have something that you can add to your impression....if you can document it, do it. Right now you have not documented it.
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Post by wade on Aug 14, 2007 10:07:20 GMT -5
Well... what the vets say is what means something to me... sorry but its not as big of a deal if a reenactor says something... its the vets, Im' not trying to impress anyone here. -Cary My dad lets me wear a ranger crush on my patrol cap, and I never earned it, but he said that since he earned it, I can wear it. I think it all depends on the vet you talk to, but if a vet says something about it, take it off.
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Post by ivymp4 on Aug 14, 2007 10:41:57 GMT -5
Its not my kit to defend its yours. I used to wear a cib on my class a's till I had 3 vets tell me I was disgracing them by having it on. So now I do pre-war with a black tie and nothing on the blouse.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 12:37:40 GMT -5
Alright, so, what you guys are saying turns out sounding something like this... ok I didnt earn the CIB that comes off... I didnt earn the jump wings those come off. I didnt earn the residential unit citation... that comes off. I didnt earn the Weapons qualification badge, that comes off. I never was in the 101st, so why should i be wearing that patch, and hell i wasnt even in the army so why should i even be wearing the damned uniform. I also love though how not one person said a word about Mango wearing the CIB... yet i get my s*** ripped for it.... I also dont care at all about the Service cap, everyone says they didnt what ever, i have no proof and have seen no proof of them not wearing them or wearing them other then those pictures, but you all say they are before they were in w/e I have an OS cap anyways. -Cary
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Post by wade on Aug 14, 2007 12:47:56 GMT -5
I can see how it is a big deal in public, but why is it such a big deal here? Isn't the point to accurately portray the men who fought on foreign soil for us? On a combat uniform, wouldn't you want to have everything perfect, so why is the Class A's so different? No where on his post does he say "OMIGORZ! l00ky at me sh!ny gOlb stArz thatz i eArned!", so as long as he doesn't go out bar hopping with a chest full of medals that he claims he earns, I just don't see the harm him posting it here.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 12:53:06 GMT -5
ALso... i cut my hair before events... so just shut up about the hair... i dont want/ need to hear it why do you think its in the im workin on it thread by the way. I also dont understand wtf is wrong with my blousing job, they were done right, but they just sit weird with how they are pressed
-Cary
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Post by ivymp4 on Aug 14, 2007 13:41:49 GMT -5
My problem with the CIB is the fact that its a combat award you need to be on the line for 30 day or get wounded in theater to to earn it.
cody
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 13:45:42 GMT -5
I never said i friggen earned it though! Thats the difference.... Im not flaunting it around... but you know what w/e it goes along with everything else on there.... If you guys are seriously gonna be like this then what ever... i mean... think about it.... everything else on us we didnt earn.... so what the hell is the difference with the CIB.... But im sick of this BS.... it goes ill wear the tunic with nothing on it... because im sick of hearing this. -Cary
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 14, 2007 16:07:08 GMT -5
Hmmmm lets agree to disagree here, we dont want this to lead to things being said that people may regret.
TommyGunner
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Post by Guinness on Aug 14, 2007 17:37:45 GMT -5
Yes, let's all BTFO Cary understood? This is clearly a sensitive issue for many and not one of us is an authority, save 2nd Bat and he has not commented. I'm a 'cold war' veteran which means I never fired my weapon in anger, I will wear any awards I earned, and none that I didn't but thats just me. Again as I said earlier and removed because it was a touch harsh (me? harsh? nevah! ) If you are around Vet's and they condone it, fine and dandy- however pics on a public forum where the world will see and can comment, probably not the smartest move. And now back to the regularly scheduled chaos....... ;D Slainte! -G
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 14, 2007 17:43:29 GMT -5
cmon guys imitation is the sincerest form of flattery its what we do
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 18:10:12 GMT -5
I didnt look at the pics that closely just noted the service caps. I was in a hurry and didnt have access to all my other pictures since i was at a buddys house... But w/e the service cap comes off... big friggen deal... you guys are gonna piss and moan about the CIB that comes off too.... what ever.... The parade stuff... i jsut did w/e i have never looked at pics, and my buddy just told me to throw the gear over. -Cary
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Post by 2ndranger on Aug 14, 2007 18:15:09 GMT -5
If you want to honor wear the patches...wearing the awards is just mimicking them...saying your just as good as them...though your not physically saying it...your uniform speaks for itself. Reasearch before you put on the uniform. Franz
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Post by Guinness on Aug 14, 2007 18:24:55 GMT -5
awright ladies, I thought I was clear- The next post on the topic of how out of line Cary was and your all on report and will pull latrine duty- got it? That includes you too Cary, just drop it the lot of yas! Dont make me get ugly.......er That is all- -G
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 14, 2007 18:27:18 GMT -5
Im done... the cib is comming off, along with everything else and the hats in the locker....
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Post by sharpshooter on Aug 14, 2007 18:28:20 GMT -5
Tis a tangled web we weave............................SPREAD THE LOVE FELLAS.....WE ARE ALL JUST PEOPLE DOING WHAT WE LOVE.......DONT RUIN OR DIMINISH IT...............LOVE PEOPLE, LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Guinness on Aug 14, 2007 18:31:35 GMT -5
Thread reopened for 'bidness
All Troops:
As we go through the coming 'Cary-free' period, I would like to take a moment to remind all of us that we are friends here and to appeal to everybodies sense of teamwork and the spirit of comraderie that we all share here. He made a mistake with the CIB, but remember he apparently had the 'blessing' of a local vet.
We are here (I hope) to share, learn, and through teamwork grow the sport.
WWIIAA Staff would remind all members to understand that we all come from varied and different levels of experience and maturity and that in the spirit of mentorship and teaching we are able to bring our members up to the same level.
Carry on-
Slainte!
-G
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 24, 2007 13:29:13 GMT -5
thats only hell of a collection you got there Second to None!.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Aug 24, 2007 15:45:19 GMT -5
Thanks! Hey Ivy looks good! gotta love the camo. Im working on getting myself a pair with out getting in trouble by the parentals for spending the money. Im also working on getting an M1 bayonet. Probably going to go resin, unless my gramps gives me his. -Cary
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Post by guitarmaster on Aug 26, 2007 22:04:49 GMT -5
Nice, is that at a park or is the artillary yours?
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Post by Guinness on Aug 26, 2007 22:10:55 GMT -5
Yeah, his Pops got tired of telling the neighborhood kids to "Stay of my Lawn!"
;D
But seriously Cary- read the dang thread rules before you post pics Private
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 27, 2007 0:46:22 GMT -5
Every vet has opinions about reenactors. I think Cary has a point about where you draw the line in your depictions. If you're doing an airborne imrpession and don't wear the wings it looks odd. If you don't blouse the boots it's wrong and yet during the war that was enough to start a brawl. (Legs blousing their boots would set off the airborne guys.) Each group and individual should make his choice knowing that ribbons and awards over and above the uniform itself become emotion laddened. I personally get more upset with a sloppy haircut, overweight out of shape reenactors that couldn't jump out of a donut shop let alone an aircraft or uniform items blattently worn wrong. This bothers me much more then someone wearing jump wings or a CIB. Reemactors are clearly that to me and I don't view them any differently then seeing George Clooney depicting a Special Forces Lt Colonel.
I'm also way less anal about the little details as frankly at the time I really wasn't paying that much attention to what gear came out when. If the person makes a good effort and depicts a soldier well, I'm impressed. If he's open to comments and suggestions better still. Remember this is just one mans opinion and should a vet get on your case, respond respectfully and immediately to his input. In the case of a CIB or combat metals be prepared to take some hits from some veterans. Too many veterans know guys who deserved metals they never got and get a little upset when they see someone wearing lots they never deserved. As bizarre as this sounds some are embarrassed by the metals they got thinking they really didn't deserve them.
While I don't have an issue with a reeanctor with a CIB my recommendation is you're better off not pushing the envelope that far.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 27, 2007 0:57:20 GMT -5
Incidently if Cary gets rid of the pictures with the anacronistic backgrounds he generally looks quite good. I sure hope he hurries up and gets the locking lug and locking bolt for his Garand though and decides on a decent and appropriate haircut
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