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Post by Tough Ombre on May 2, 2007 11:36:27 GMT -5
Kosb, we already went over that with him...... also. i have found it more comfortable to wear a t-shrit underneath, so that was a suggestion more or so. I know that GI's didnt follow all the army regs. Though im just stating a fact that army regulations stated that an under shirt was to be worn. Oddly enough, tank tops were considered non-regualtion, from what i understand. Also patton didnt like jeep caps, and apon seeing troops wearing them in North Africa, he collected them. Then ordered that anyman caught wearing one had to pay him 60$. A bit insane, though he also ordered neckties to always be on. -Cary -Cary
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 2, 2007 11:42:18 GMT -5
You definitely see camo painted 82nd Helmets in Normandy pictures and these veterans of earlier campaigns no doubt kept their same helmet for the duration of the war hence though increasingly rare a camo splotched 82nd Helmet in any phase of the ETO would probably be fine.
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Post by bullets on May 2, 2007 15:37:30 GMT -5
You definitely see camo painted 82nd Helmets in Normandy pictures and these veterans of earlier campaigns no doubt kept their same helmet for the duration of the war hence though increasingly rare a camo splotched 82nd Helmet in any phase of the ETO would probably be fine. The more pics i find, that seems to be that case. Guy with pickmattocks tend to have camoed helemts, whereas replacements with 43 shovels dont. Very interesting
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 2, 2007 22:09:15 GMT -5
Good tip about the French Fouragge. It makes sense that they would be awarded post war although I thought the 82nd received it from the first war? When I was with the 23rd Infantry (172nd Infantry airborne) and the 66th of the 9th we wore them. It was a unit deal, certainly nothing I did but girls liked them and always asked what they were for? I always told them it was a virgin whistle. They'd ask "A virgin whistle?" "Yes, just listen" I'd pull up the small brass stake and blow on it which of course would emit no sound. "They'd invariably say, "I didn't hear anything?" My reply "Well it's good that we got that out of the way."
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Post by twombly on May 3, 2007 1:48:54 GMT -5
hehehehe ;D You're right, 2nd Bat, fourragere is a great thing
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 3, 2007 11:43:34 GMT -5
He proudly displays his virgin whistle on his avatar. Does anyone know the origin of the Fouragge? Very interesting story that.
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Post by twombly on May 3, 2007 16:32:56 GMT -5
I think it got origin as an award from napoleon for his troops, but don't know exactly and i don't want to browse wikipedia and play smart I can only tell why the 5th and 6th marines are awarded with it
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Post by Nimlas on May 3, 2007 21:05:08 GMT -5
The 82nd did not receive French Fourragere was not award to the 82nd for their actions in WWI. Not correct to have it for WWII.
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Post by guitarmaster on May 6, 2007 10:20:26 GMT -5
Maybe a rifle but still they look really good.
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Post by click on May 6, 2007 10:21:48 GMT -5
Youonlywish, you guys look great! Very nice to see some civilians. I like the battleworn look on your face in the first pic. Again, well done!!
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Post by wade on May 6, 2007 12:56:15 GMT -5
AWESOME! Cool aging effects, youonlywish.
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 6, 2007 14:12:20 GMT -5
ditch the flashlight on the suspenders... your just askin to get shot w/ that thing on there. A kraut would pick up that lens/ reflective interior. I would also suggest stuffing your pockets. I also think that if you are doing a Normandy 101st imp, i would suggest a pistol belt w/ rigger pouches those were more popular then m1923's w/ the 101st, especiall the 506th. -Cary
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Post by 2ndranger on May 6, 2007 14:17:50 GMT -5
Very nice pics!!! Extremely good! Looks like Canada is on its way!!!
Schutze
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Post by youonlywish on May 6, 2007 14:46:17 GMT -5
Fair enough, i'll ditch the light... I also have a fake pineapple grenade. I'll stuff my pockets too, never thought to do that..
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 6, 2007 14:58:03 GMT -5
Ya, it looks much better then flat ones haha. i use rations that i have made to stuff my pockets, but b4 that i would use excess gear, and socks and towels.. those kind of things. Also, dont worry too much about the shovel. o wait... nvm i said that, sorry, for normandy you would need a shovel. Any of the three, but i was thinking you have a 43 uniform at first.. then when i looked closely i realized you had 42's but for a holland static, and belgium. a shovel cover is all that you would wear on a regular bases. -Cary
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on May 7, 2007 7:17:11 GMT -5
Roll your sleeves down. You can do what you want with your pics, but personally, I dont like digitally aged modern photos. They stick out. I take it your girl isnt really into research/living history?
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Post by TommyGunner on May 7, 2007 10:49:07 GMT -5
Wow nice pics, great impression (if you want you can keep your sleeves up soldiers did what they wanted regulation or not) and your girl friend just makes the impression look even better. You lucky dog you.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on May 7, 2007 10:51:12 GMT -5
let me just add: in the PTO, regs were much lax than in the ETO. You can roll your sleeves up if you want, but its not accurate for the ETO, let alone the 101st. Since yesterday, I looked through some of my books and found 3 pics of guys with their shirt cuff unbuttoned and folded back one time. Only one pic of a guy with his sleeves rolled up more than that. I did find one pic of a guy with his jacket rolled up a little. It was because the jacket sleeves were too long and he only had them rolled up enough to show his wrist. These pics are all from the fighting on the Brittany Peninsula in the Battle for Brest during August/September of 1944. If you're gonna see it anywhere in the ETO, it'd be there. Even then, it was rare, and only leg infantry. The 42 jacket is just that - a jacket. It was not common to roll up the sleeves of a jacket back then. It isnt common today either for that matter. You wont see it in the ETO with either the 101st, 82nd, or even the 17th airborne. And yes, I practice what I preach. img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/CCoy5thRangers/STANWIX_05/steve_classA.jpgThis pic is of me in my class A's. It was taken on a weekend in July at the grand opening of the Fort Stanwix National Park Visitor Center in 2005. It is in the 'cool of the evening' at 73 degrees. (yes we did check the temp - its smart to do when wearing wool.) I wore the wool shirt, tie and Ike jacket for over an hour.
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Post by azeeze on May 8, 2007 21:53:23 GMT -5
Awesome Display Mango! -Nick
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Post by Gordak on May 8, 2007 23:46:30 GMT -5
youonlywish, the girl is wearing clothes from a much earlier period, 1920's-esque. but thats ok Mango, very coool
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Post by click on May 9, 2007 2:05:20 GMT -5
Mango, awesome! I like the mismatching of color in the gear.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on May 9, 2007 7:22:58 GMT -5
themango - did you get any of the display stuff from www.wwiisupply.com? it looks really good.....
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Post by themango on May 9, 2007 12:30:03 GMT -5
All the display personal items are either original or I made myself except the K Rations and Lucky Strike Carton. None were purchased from www.wwiisupply.com but I was going to until I made my own and saved a bunch of money.
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Post by Go4Broke on May 9, 2007 15:12:35 GMT -5
Sweet display Mango. I like how you carry a gas mask bag, not enough people do IMHO. Just curious, which of the paperwork is repro and original in your photo? It all looks great! Only nitpick I can see is that your grenade fuses and spoons are the post-war design. Other than that though it's a really nice display. Uber-props!
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Post by ivymp4 on May 9, 2007 15:13:11 GMT -5
You got your boxers from WPG didn't you? His are wrong they need to have 3 buttons instead of 2 not a big thing but still any way looks good!!!!
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Post by themango on May 9, 2007 15:27:02 GMT -5
The gas mask bag just has my HBTs in it right now until I can get the actual gas mask. The things I made are...Soap, Immunization Record, D Rations, Charms candy, Pro-kits, Paybook and the individual packs of Lucky Strikes. Not sure where the K Rations come from as I got them from a friend but they're repro. The originals are the Gem JR. Razor, FM-21-100, German Language Guide, V-Mail, Invasion Currency and Red Cross playing cards. I am aware about the grenades I just can't seem to locate any good repros. Any idea what happened to Replicaordnance.com? And the boxers will be taken care of. I didn't notice that when I first got them so I will be getting another pair soon. Thanks for the great comments guys.
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Post by polak on May 9, 2007 22:53:48 GMT -5
let me just add: in the PTO, regs were much lax than in the ETO. You can roll your sleeves up if you want, but its not accurate for the ETO, let alone the 101st. Since yesterday, I looked through some of my books and found 3 pics of guys with their shirt cuff unbuttoned and folded back one time. Only one pic of a guy with his sleeves rolled up more than that. I did find one pic of a guy with his jacket rolled up a little. It was because the jacket sleeves were too long and he only had them rolled up enough to show his wrist. These pics are all from the fighting on the Brittany Peninsula in the Battle for Brest during August/September of 1944. If you're gonna see it anywhere in the ETO, it'd be there. Even then, it was rare, and only leg infantry. The 42 jacket is just that - a jacket. It was not common to roll up the sleeves of a jacket back then. It isnt common today either for that matter. You wont see it in the ETO with either the 101st, 82nd, or even the 17th airborne. And yes, I practice what I preach. img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/CCoy5thRangers/STANWIX_05/steve_classA.jpgThis pic is of me in my class A's. It was taken on a weekend in July at the grand opening of the Fort Stanwix National Park Visitor Center in 2005. It is in the 'cool of the evening' at 73 degrees. (yes we did check the temp - its smart to do when wearing wool.) I wore the wool shirt, tie and Ike jacket for over an hour. TAKE THE CIB OFF.
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 9, 2007 23:23:09 GMT -5
Ok, two things.... A. how do you know he didnt earn the CIB in the service??? B. Why does it matter to you??? if he wears it o well its his impression. Its not like its COMPLETELY FARB to wear it. Mango... I love the personal items!! -Cary
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Post by bullets on May 9, 2007 23:26:24 GMT -5
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Post by polak on May 9, 2007 23:38:41 GMT -5
He didn't go through thirty days of bullet dodging and catching shrapnel. I guess I'm a bit too tight on the folks who wear campaign medals that were awarded sixty-five years ago and jump wings they didn't break their legs for. I mean, it should be a priviledge in itself just to wear the uniform.
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