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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 11:33:04 GMT -5
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 11:43:45 GMT -5
The thing with these is you don't know what they are rated for. While safety glasses have their downfalls and bbs can still get past them on occasion the lenses are ANSI rated for high-impact hits on them. You're better off using the safety glasses or get a paid of completely clear full-seal goggles. They have minimum impact on the overall impression and will stop nailguns, let alone BBs.
Always make sure your safety eyewear is ANSI Z87.1 or better!
If you do buy those though make sure before you try and use them on the field that you shoot them with a BB gun a couple times at point blank range to make sure they wont crack or shatter. Better they break before you have them on your eyes than it be too late and you're on the field getting taken away to the hospital with shards of plastic in your eyes and blind for the rest of your life.
Remember, you only get one pair of eyes and they don't grow back!
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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 11:51:06 GMT -5
Don't worry please!!! I always test my new eye pro before I use it, and do you think it would be good for a ww2 style loadout? or do you think safety glasses would be better?
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 12:00:15 GMT -5
Well... honestly I don't know what you are doing for your imp but I doubt any soldier was wearing vehicle goggles on the field unless he was... well driving a vehicle. I would say safety glasses or good clear full-seal safety goggles would be your best shot. If you want links to good clear full-seals let me know and I'll PM you some good ones I found. This is in now way to say you can't buy those, I mean they would be cool things to have for your collection and for wearing say at a living history or something where you are portraying someone who would be wearing them. I am not the end all knowledgeable person so if someone here knows of infantry wearing those then by all means prove me wrong and wear them to your hearts delight as long as they pose no safety risk!
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 12:32:37 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is do they even look like the goggles that would be worn by whoever you are portraying. IE: If you are doing german do they look like German goggles?
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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 12:45:48 GMT -5
Well, many of the allied infantry in operation compass wore goggles VERY similiar to the one in the link. Of course if they can't take an impact from a bb in my test once I get them I will just switch back to my clear full safety glasses.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 3, 2010 13:54:39 GMT -5
The link seems to be dead. The way I see the average soldier never wore any kind of goggles so it doesn't matter much.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2010 13:59:43 GMT -5
There was a light weight clear goggle that was commonly warn by US troops while in vehicles but in no way would it protect against Bbs and they weren't worn outside a vehicle. Mountain troops wore dark goggles to prevent white out or sun injury but that's a fairly rare impression. I agree with Totez that your best bet is simple, clear goggles. They really aren't terribly intrusive and really not at all at range, in fact, one concern I have with them is it appears the opponent has no goggles at all. This in itself presents a saftey issue as I sure don't want to shoot at someone not wearing goggles. I have held my fire in the past thinking the unit didn't have eye pro. These lenses are inexpenive, anzi rated and although they provide no face or mouth protection at all offer a pretty decent seal on the eyes. They wrap around. I can't wear them over my glasses however so I use mesh goggles painted tan or a full mesh face mask for CQB.
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 14:02:55 GMT -5
One thing you have to be careful about with mesh is that cheap BBs can shatter and become shrapnel in your eye. I've even seen quality bbs break on mesh before, though not into small enough pieces to get through the mesh it is still plausible that it could happen. I don't personally trust mesh.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 3, 2010 14:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 16:03:44 GMT -5
Your second sugestion is exatly the type of thing I'm looking for, thanks for posting I'll definitely consider purchasing that now.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 4, 2010 13:29:17 GMT -5
If you paint the outer black areas tan they become quite unobtrusive visually. I am comfortable with the mesh in spite of your concerns (which are quite valid) because I have lenses beneath them. Also I have tested the mesh I use extensively and know they work well. Many of the cheaper airsoft mesh masks and goggles in fact are very unsafe and will not protect against BBs at close range. The mesh literally seperates allowing the BB right through! Test your eye wear whatever you use!
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Post by BOBAH on Sept 4, 2010 21:24:44 GMT -5
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Post by gman on Sept 5, 2010 7:39:12 GMT -5
For what it is worth .... Dr AirsoftI have the ESS Profiles, little to no fogging issues. However it is impossible to have any goggles NOT fog up. I've used about every product out there to prevent fogging (Cat Crap, Defog It, Fog Tech ....). The only solution that is guaranteed to work is ... get a fan in the goggles. I addition to wearing these, I also wear mouth guard and highly recommend them when wearing these type of eye protection. ~G Man
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 5, 2010 11:53:07 GMT -5
Yea my brother broke his tooth at the last event, teeth protection is a must.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 5, 2010 13:34:49 GMT -5
People don't realize how common this is. I saw a tooth get chipped at a springer game and it wasn't a close shot. Apparently there is something about the composition of teeth and BBs that reacts badly to one another.
As for the materials my son did a comparison safety test on assorted mesh materials for his high school senior project. He ordered a sample book and tested the assorted patterns and materials for strength, spall resistance and pliability. When he determined which one was best we orderd a full sheet of it and he proceeded to make a dozen full face masks out of them. He shaped them like a face and even added eye brows and mustaches. In my case a full beard as I had one at the time. I still have mine which I wear often. It looks very goofy up close but looks normal at range.
I use the others that I still have for CQB events or as loaners for OPFOR guys that I know will be engaged close in at ambushes or during raids etc.
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Post by Totez on Sept 5, 2010 13:47:03 GMT -5
That's pretty darn neat! Mind shedding light on where one could aquire the same mesh as I'd like to look into it more!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 5, 2010 18:26:27 GMT -5
The mesh he selected was titanium so needless to say both extremely strong, quite light and as you might imagine expensive. It was also a tough tough material to cut and took a lot of pounding to shape. I don't recall the company as it was years ago. I still have quite a bit of remnant material although I'd have to go digging to find it.
He got an A on his report which was cool His methodology was very much like the airsoft doctor uses currently. He put black paper behind the mesh and fired at it point blank multiple shots with 500 FPS rifles. The black paper revealed any penetrations and even negligible spall. The cheap airsoft mesh masks (obviously intended for springer games) actually allowed the BBs to go straight through the mesh, straight through the paper with a clean hole and well into the foam dummy. After penetration the mesh closed back up behind the shot. Very scary.
Incidently every one thinks mesh would be hard to see through but's it actually very good even in low light. The only concern is when looking into the light it reflects and impedes visibility so you need a visor. We actually discovered that the artificial eye brows accomplished this same effect which was quite interesting!
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Post by Totez on Sept 5, 2010 18:37:32 GMT -5
That's very interesting, do you have any pics? I'm curious to see how the mask turned out.
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Post by Gerry on Sept 5, 2010 19:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 5, 2010 20:24:00 GMT -5
Yea it was a springer that got my brother a cheaper one too. It was pretty close range. But yea no one wants their tooth chipped.
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Post by 10target on Sept 6, 2010 14:15:13 GMT -5
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Post by 10target on Sept 10, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -5
Also, did the USMC have any eye pro at tarowa or Iwo Jima, of course unless tankers.
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 10, 2010 15:14:36 GMT -5
For the most part no , the only exception would be bazooka teams because of the back blast , but then again those troops ditched the eye protection and just closed their eyes and lowered their head just before firing the bazooka .
Eye pro for every soldier is a relatively new thing for armed forces world wide.
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Post by 10target on Sept 10, 2010 16:50:41 GMT -5
That's what I thought, thanks I'll probably just stick to my clear construction glasses.
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