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Post by 10target on Jan 6, 2011 1:10:20 GMT -5
I'm about to buy a new aeg and was wondering if anybody had experience with it here. Thanks.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 6, 2011 1:23:08 GMT -5
I'm about to buy a new aeg and was wondering if anybody had experience with it here. Thanks. >> Very good gun,I love it! Solid,shoots hard!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 6, 2011 1:42:31 GMT -5
But they were not as common as the K98. Heck I think their were more MP40's.
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Post by 10target on Jan 6, 2011 3:20:20 GMT -5
I've heard the mp40 is solid too, so in an effort to save cash, I'll go with the mp40 so I'll have enough cash left over to get an SS dot 44 set of trousers and blouse. Thanks for your help though guys and much appreciated.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 6, 2011 10:19:06 GMT -5
But they were not as common as the K98. Heck I think their were more MP40's. >> I see a pattern here. Yeah,the MP-44 sucks. Get a tanaka Mauser.
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Post by whiterook on Jan 6, 2011 11:16:25 GMT -5
But they were not as common as the K98. Heck I think their were more MP40's. That is sooo funny ... I just watched "Tales of the Gun" last night and the topic was German Small Arms of WWII and they detailed each weapon ... The MP44 was only produced in the 100,000's (don't quote me, but it seems the number was like 400,000) while the K98 was, of course, in the millions ... as was the MP38/40. The MP44 just came out too late in the war to be produced in large numbers.
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Post by txtrench on Jan 6, 2011 12:27:12 GMT -5
the gun is a rock solid replica (with the wood stock). have sold 6 and have not had a problem with any of them.
the good thing about the real MP44 was that they were only (for the vast majority) issued to front line infantry so they had a larger impact than they should have. the 98ks were in the millions but millions were also in storage, the MP44 didn't have that problem. it was made, shipped, rushed into battle. not like many 98ks and MP40s that were shipped to Norway, Denmark, southern France, etc. this gun went where it was needed.
and it was easier to make than the 98K, less wood to work, fewer milled parts. you could make thousands each and every day in a big cave. i bet if the war had lasted just 6 more months most front line units would all be issued the STG with the 98ks being used for sniper use only just like the 1903A3 in the US army.
but again just my opinion thanks dave
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 6, 2011 13:36:35 GMT -5
the gun is a rock solid replica (with the wood stock). have sold 6 and have not had a problem with any of them. the good thing about the real MP44 was that they were only (for the vast majority) issued to front line infantry so they had a larger impact than they should have. the 98ks were in the millions but millions were also in storage, the MP44 didn't have that problem. it was made, shipped, rushed into battle. not like many 98ks and MP40s that were shipped to Norway, Denmark, southern France, etc. this gun went where it was needed. and it was easier to make than the 98K, less wood to work, fewer milled parts. you could make thousands each and every day in a big cave. i bet if the war had lasted just 6 more months most front line units would all be issued the STG with the 98ks being used for sniper use only just like the 1903A3 in the US army. but again just my opinion thanks dave Great info! I'd also say the MP44 is a very nice gun. I like it more then the MP40 but the MP40 is nice too. I don't really think its worth the $200 a lot of stores sell it for. It should be in the $150 range like the CYMA Thompson and AGM MP40. I think it will go down in price though over time as did the AGM MP40. I'd also suggest replacing the spring with something less powerful.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2011 14:04:48 GMT -5
The MP44 in stock form in my opinion shoots a little too hot for skirmishing as a full auto weapon and exceeds most fields FPS limits. Mine shot at well over 400 FPS right out of the box. For that reason a somewhat weaker spring is a good idea. I brought mine down to 365 FPS and have seen no reduction in range or effectiveness. It safer at close range than it was and now meets the local field restrictions allowing me to use it full auto as designed.
It's a well made replica and works great. As mentioned late in the war Battle of Bulge through the close of the war they were encountered in significant numbers. Obviously not technically correct for early war depictions. (At this point in our hobby I doubt anyone would kick about it.) Perhaps the day will come but for now it's a weapon I would heartily endorse. Damn lucky for the Allies it was not issued from the outset.
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Post by 10target on Jan 6, 2011 14:09:48 GMT -5
So the mp40 isn't as decent as the mp44 but it's still a pretty solid gun?
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Post by whiterook on Jan 6, 2011 14:21:25 GMT -5
You should buy both ;D Here is KeitHPOW's latest review of the MP44 done on 1-2-10: Remember, there are no bad airsoft guns, only bad airsoft gun owners
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 6, 2011 15:33:46 GMT -5
Internally they are basically the same as far as I know. Externally they look different obviously. The MP44 feels a bit more solid, while the MP40 is a tad wobbly with the folding stock and the way it is taken apart. Thats not really AGM's fault though. The MP44 has slight authenticity problems, pretty unnoticeable though. Both are good buys.
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Post by 10target on Jan 6, 2011 16:32:43 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the help. I can always get the facts from you guys, and not some CrazyNCman BS from youtube.
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Post by kern1944 on Jan 6, 2011 18:27:30 GMT -5
Hi guys, As many of you who know me already know. i've collected MP44's for some time now. here is some info you may find interesting. 8 now!! 1 MP43/1 4 MP43 3 MP44
-First 1500 MKb42(H) sent late April 1943 for testing in six divisions from (HGr. Nord):
1. Inf.Div. 11. Inf.Div. 21.Inf.Div. 93.Inf.Div. 212 Inf.Div. 18 Inf.Div.(mot)
-In October 1943 Firsts MP43 are sent for testing:
HGr Mitte: 31.Inf.Div, 268 Inf.Div KavRgt Mitte,
HGr Süd: 15. Inf.Div., 46. Inf.Div. 2.SS PzGr Div “Das Reich”, PzGrDiv Grossdeutschland 16.PzDiv.
HGr B (deployed in Italy): 71.Inf.Div., GrenDiv “Hoch u. Deutschmeister” LSSAH
-January 1944 two divisions were chosen to reequip completely with MP 43, the 1.InfDiv and 28.Jäger-Div (New Kstn).
-February 1944 the OstHeer was equipped with about 10.000 MP43 and MKb42(H) as follows:
HGr Mitte: HGr - 718
2.Armee: SkiJägBrig 1 - 1480 KAbt E - 147
4. Armee: 31. InfDiv - 133 78 SturmDiv - 115 95. InfDiv - 35 267. InfDiv - 35 337. InfDiv - 114 25. PzGrDiv - 115
9. Armee 9.Armee Units- 260 6.InfDiv - 20 36. InfDiv - 88 45.InfDiv - 20 296. InfDiv - 60
3. PzArmee 3.PzArmee Units - 2 12. InfDiv - 20 14. InfDiv - 50 197. InfDiv - 10 211. InfDiv - 35 299. InfDiv - 49 5. JägDiv - 153 4. LwFeldDiv - 39 6. LwFeldDiv - 24
HGr Nord: 16. Armee: 16.Armee Units- 864 28. JägDiv - 380 32.InfDiv - 778 93. InfDiv - 155 122. InfDiv. - 864
18.Armee: 18.Armee Units- 293 11. InfDiv - 1070 LettSSBgde - 10 SS-Polizei Div - 3 338 FeldErsatzDiv - 20
HGrD: PzGruppe West:2.SS PzGrDiv - 41 HGr A:15.Inf.Div.D - 119 16. PzGrDiv - 120 23.PzDiv - 119
HGr Süd: 1.Inf.Div. - 612 LSSAH - 108 2.SS PzGrDiv – 29
-In July 1944, 570 MP 44 sent to each one of the following Divisions:
HGr Nord-Ukranie: 101. JägDiv 26. InfDiv 68. InfDiv 75. InfDiv 371. InfDiv
HGr Nord: 11. InfDiv 30. InfDiv 32. InfDiv
-September 1944, 600 MP44 were sent to each one of the following Divisions:
HGr A: 342. InfDiv
HGr. Mitte: 14. InfDiv
October 1944 the first two divisions from the West front to be fully reequipped with MP44 are the 269. Inf Div (HGr D) and 305. InfDiv. From that point onwards the various Hgr. decided the MP44 distribution between his units. In September 1944 the decision is taken for the Volksgrenadier divisions to be equipped with the MP44.
Source - Sturmgewehr! From Firepower to Striking Power, Hans Dietrich Handrich, Collector Grade Publicatio.
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Post by 10target on Jan 6, 2011 19:06:10 GMT -5
Sweet! How long did it take you to make that?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 6, 2011 19:07:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Kern! Thank you so much for the help. I can always get the facts from you guys, and not some CrazyNCman BS from youtube. I am guessing the review you were reading was made by an avid "modern" airsofter. They have a large market of products to choose from for their modern kit hence something like the AGM MP40 might not look to good compared to the numerous M4 carbines out there. Companies like G&G would be a better choice then AGM but G&G doesn't make an MP40. They often don't take to mind how few WWII Airsoft guns there are out there. A few things you might want to look into doing to the MP40 or any chinese airsoft gun once you get it are: Re-shim Re-grease Add metal bushings replace the connectors with deans If your not comfortable with opening gearboxes and such you can always have a shop do it.
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Post by kalbs on Jan 6, 2011 20:16:38 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 6, 2011 22:33:37 GMT -5
For what it is worth my comment was a poke at certain people that keep getting on people that do uncommon things with thier impressions while overlooking other things that were uncommon Like a bolt action rifle was the most common and widespread weapon for one side of the war...Yet they have no problem buying way more uncommon weapons. It amuses me.
As far as the real issue most of the following views of the weapon are accurate. It is a good solid weapon. It beats out the MP40 for accuracy and that is a big thing when you are playing a tactical simulation. If you can't hit what you are aiming at then it is not a great weapon. The MP40 is good for close in work around 75-100 feet. If you are playing games in villages or dense foilage where engagement distances are pretty short then the MP40 was more common and will work just fine. If you have more open areas you are trying to work with you are going to be up against a lot of M14/Garands and Thompsons and they have a little better range and accuracy so the MP44 is a good choice for you. Until they get a skirmishable K98 that is around the same price point as the MP40 and 44 I don't see downing people for using them. Thats just me though. If I had to buy a weapon in the 200.00 price range for a German impression I would search out a 44 and use it.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 6, 2011 23:09:35 GMT -5
I'd rather see everyone with BAR-10s and M14's but thats just me. Trading looks for function. When the person has the time/money they can convert it.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jan 7, 2011 2:25:24 GMT -5
Another thing to consider is that the MP44 uses a version 2 gearbox and hop chamber, which is probably the most accessible aftermarket parts available (same internals as M4s). While the AGM MP40 uses a proprietary gearbox and production has long since been stopped. If i were you, I'd get both as well. The MP40 to collect and cherish, the MP44 to skirmish with.
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Post by txtrench on Jan 7, 2011 9:42:54 GMT -5
For what it is worth my comment was a poke at certain people that keep getting on people that do uncommon things with thier impressions while overlooking other things that were uncommon Like a bolt action rifle was the most common and widespread weapon for one side of the war...Yet they have no problem buying way more uncommon weapons. It amuses me. man you are just going to rain all over my day then, i was going to get a johnson for my primary, a packett (sterling) for my sub gun, a libirator for my pistol, and a Chauchat for my machine gun. all used in WWII now you tell me, schish.
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Post by txtrench on Jan 7, 2011 9:44:57 GMT -5
ow yea and im doing 500/501st SS paratrooper / tank BN.
your head spinning yet??? ;D
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Post by kalbs on Jan 7, 2011 9:48:50 GMT -5
This is going no where fast... thread locked. See the review section on this board
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 7, 2011 16:54:43 GMT -5
unlocked. It was a valid question asking for users opinions and was posted in an appropriate section.
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Post by kern1944 on Jan 7, 2011 18:22:46 GMT -5
Thank you CharleyNovember, I, being new to this, have enjoyed the chatter and need to know what I should get for a German weapon. I'm looking for something I will not need to upgrade. price does matter, but a good weapon will guarantee I will not have to get it fixed every time I use it or replace it in a year. Thanks guys. kern1944
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 7, 2011 19:16:40 GMT -5
Try the Shoei MP44, Tanaka Kar98, Marushin M1 Carbine(non blowback type), SRC MP40 all of these should be not need upgrades and last a long time in stock form.
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Post by txtrench on Jan 7, 2011 19:49:24 GMT -5
did not mean anything by it. i was mearly agreeing with C.N. if you can find a pic of the most crazy gun someone will try to employ it. or the german at nearly every event with a jeep with a big german flag on it.
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