Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 18, 2011 3:19:28 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 18, 2011 11:07:08 GMT -5
Wow,I had/have most of that stuff. I was in an armored unit then,but it was all over before we could get deployed.
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Post by gunfreak on Jan 18, 2011 11:48:21 GMT -5
It amazes my that the web gear in desert storm is almost exactly the same as from the end of the vietnam war
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 18, 2011 13:38:02 GMT -5
It amazes my that the web gear in desert storm is almost exactly the same as from the end of the vietnam war >> SOMEWHAT the same,not exactly. The military was just starting to use nylon web gear starting about 1967,but it was never fully integrated into the military till the late 70's. Even then,most Reserve and Guard units used the M56 webgear well into the 80's. |
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 18, 2011 16:21:54 GMT -5
Yeah, I use the same rig for my vietnam late war kit but to keep it straight a normally use canvas for the canteens and universal pouches. But for the record they were issued during 'nam. But than again  The third guy down got a M56 canvas aid pouch on his left shoulder  same one on this 56 rig |
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 18, 2011 18:31:45 GMT -5
LC-1 was not issued during the Vietnam war , what was issued was M67 gear , M67 and LC-1 are two different sets of gear.
During the buildup and then during the ground war i saw a large number of the 82nd guys wearing M56 gear and some even carried M14s.
Hell the first tanks from the US to arrive in Saudi where the M551 Sheridan's the 82nd brought with them.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 18, 2011 19:21:33 GMT -5
Interesting I never knew that. So what do you propose, using 67s or 56s for the ammo pouch's on a late war impression?
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 18, 2011 20:27:39 GMT -5
The M67 web gear was issued piecemeal. Rarely would you see a guy with the complete set. Guys would have bits and pieces of it. You can get it kinda cheap,as theres a lot of mint unissued pieces out there still. I picked up 2 sets of unissued H- straps still wrapped up. A lot of canteen pouches,and first aid pouches got issued out,not so much the harness or the ammo pouches.
They made M-14 pouches in nylon as well.I picked up an unissued set of those as well.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 18, 2011 20:28:30 GMT -5
And yes,we had guys in basic in 1983 get issued the M56 first aid pouches as well.
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 18, 2011 21:03:05 GMT -5
M67 gear was issued in bigger numbers towards the end of the US involvement in the war , by 1970 you see lots of M67 gear.
The most common pieces of M67 gear where the Canteen covers , ammo pouches (both in 20 and 30 round models ) , pistol belts , entrenching tool and cover as well as the 2 quart canteen covers and the Tropical Ruck.
The USMC received the M67 gear at about the same time as the US Army , in 1975 you see lots of M67 gear used by the US Embassy Marines as well as the Marines involved in the S.S. Mayaguez Incident.
USMC RECON teams had M67 gear issued to them in 1968.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 19, 2011 6:44:25 GMT -5
Gotcha. So, Obviously canvas was used the longest and probably more common but apparently the 67's were used a good deal too. Ive got four or five 67 canteen covers and the nylon buttpack to use with my mid-late war rig so that shouldn't be pushing the canvas purity law to much.
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Post by gunfreak on Jan 19, 2011 8:36:10 GMT -5
My sources say that ALICE was in use by some in vietnam by 74, I've also seen picture of a soldier in vietnam with it.
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 20, 2011 0:22:00 GMT -5
All the testing for LC-1 gear was done at Fort Benning , state side , the last ground combat troops left Vietnam in '73 , the thing is that M67 and LC-1 do look similar , that is the reason some people confuse M67 with LC-1 in photos.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 20, 2011 15:39:17 GMT -5
Thanks to all of you who participated in the Gulf War, your service is no less important than those who served in the Great War alongside Fusilier.
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Post by mischief on Jan 20, 2011 19:27:46 GMT -5
We still carried the M-14 and 1911 on my ship when down there, and the M2 ammo was dated mid 50's. Hell I'd already been to the gulf two times before it all got started(escorting tankers) then sitting around getting a tan on deck till it was time to fire some ordinance inland in support of the push.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 20, 2011 19:43:55 GMT -5
Thanks to all of you who participated in the Gulf War, your service is no less important than those who served in the Great War alongside Fusilier. >> Thanks Hicks! How'd you know I do WW1?? |
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 21, 2011 1:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 21, 2011 14:56:47 GMT -5
It amazes my that the web gear in desert storm is almost exactly the same as from the end of the vietnam war It seems like it always takes a shooting war to overcome procurement inertia for nuts and bolts stuff like web gear (or LBE as it was called in my pre-ALICE day). I'm amazed and fascinated by how much stuff has changed in the last ten years. |
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 26, 2011 3:11:00 GMT -5
Some of the period training manuals for the display  |
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 1, 2011 0:48:42 GMT -5
More stuff to add to the display M1 Abrams crew member Combat Vehicle Crewman's Helmet (CVC)    Coveralls, combat vehicle crewmen's  Need to get a few more things for this to be complete. |
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 4, 2011 22:56:40 GMT -5
MOPP4 , i spent many hours like this , not fun at all   |
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Feb 4, 2011 23:02:17 GMT -5
All the sudden I kinda feel like a pussy after whining about playing lacrosse when it was 115 at Annapolis.  |
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Post by Adler69 on Feb 6, 2011 0:30:22 GMT -5
We spent a long time adapting to the Desert and had a huge supply of water available to us , from Water Buffalo's and truckloads of bottled water , it was still hard to do anything .
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on May 22, 2011 16:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 22, 2011 16:22:42 GMT -5
I had that same class book when I went through boot at Fort Jackson in 89. Fond memories.
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Post by Adler69 on May 22, 2011 16:39:11 GMT -5
I had that same class book when I went through boot at Fort Jackson in 89. Fond memories. It is a 1989 class book Dan. |
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 22, 2011 17:00:43 GMT -5
Hehehehe I might be in it. I lost mine years and years ago.
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Post by Adler69 on May 31, 2011 18:57:59 GMT -5
Couple of nice display items i had out there a couple of weeks ago Republican Guard Gas Mask and Bag    And also a vital part of the build up and then Desert Storm Saudi Bottled Water   |
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 2, 2011 1:27:31 GMT -5
I now have enough gear for myself and 3 others.  |
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 1, 2011 0:08:20 GMT -5
Second set of Desert Night camo picked up at a yard sale for $10 First Pattern Trousers and Second Pattern Parka   |
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