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Post by cdi on Jun 22, 2011 23:53:05 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am not 100% sure if this is the correct area to post a subject like this but ill give it a shot.
I run an airsoft OP production Company with my buddy. If your on Massf or Neasg his call sign is Ham and mine is cdi. We run games in New England.
Both Ham and my self are very passionate about WW2 history and Airsoft and we want to make some fun games.
The big question is...what do you guys feel about themed ops? Basically if you have a ww2 kit bring it, but if you have a regular modern kit you can still play.
Our goal is to get many 100+ person games. We aim to make a few nerf launching nebelwerfers and various other interactive props, possibly a 222 armored car mock up. We also want to possibly hire reenactors to blank fire. Possibly get some ww2 armor if the people that own them would be willing to get paid to do it. Could have a separate staging area for authentically dressed player. The modern kit people could walk around it and get inspirations! We would really want to put on a great game for everyone and make a pretty authentic show to encourage players to say to themselves.....im getting a ww2 kit!....The only thing is people would have modern kits....and I understand if that would turn people away.
I recently attended RPC's Stalingrad over the winter and it was a theme gamed it was a blast. Though only 20-30% of the people dressed the part it was a great time and it encouraged me to get a WW2 kit and Start a German Team....It also encouraged alot of my buddies to start assembling kits and we would like more people to do so.
So let me know your thoughts.
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Post by thisissparta on Jun 23, 2011 8:26:21 GMT -5
nerf nebelwerfers, like that idea blankfire, also think that's okay modern kits, hmmm maybe at first we could do that to attract players but as more people come i hope you can develop some more strict impression rules
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Post by HornetWSO on Jun 23, 2011 9:01:57 GMT -5
I understand the need to relax the rules for uniforms and gear in order to promote a game and get a larger crowd, but I would not travel for such game. Other's might though.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jun 23, 2011 9:59:37 GMT -5
I would if it was somewhat close to me. I'd suggest you make at least a minimum requirement. Meaning you can bring Modern stuff but it at least has to be vaguely similar to WW2. Such as try to dress in gray or green with no camo. Things like that.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 23, 2011 12:06:56 GMT -5
I've only ever played "themed" games, since that's all that ever seems to happen around here. There are/were some guys with decent German kits, not so many Americans. The irritating thing is that even when they specify semi-auto only for everything except WWII correct automatics, all you ever hear is people going full auto. I wouldn't even think of taking a bolt action to one of those games. I think the themed games could be good to get more people interested, but if it ends up really just a modern game with a few people in period gear, then it's counterproductive.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Jun 23, 2011 15:24:23 GMT -5
Several good points. HornetWSO made an excellent one. When you lower standards you will lose those who don't want to mix with hodgepodge impressions and you will definitely scare away any reenactors that you want firing blank guns. Volkssturm has it pegged on the full auto syndrome. We've been to a few of the themed events and after they occur I don't notice this great influx of newer WW2 devotees. So.... is it worth it? If you're starved for some (any) WW2 event action then go. Heck, I get starved if I don't play some WW2 after about 30 days. I think though that higher standards is a sounder strategy. Besides, you're out East and there is a vibrant community of WW2 airsofters out your way. If you want to host an event they will probably attend if it has quality aspects to it. Maybe you won't get 100 players but you may add one or two new devotees every time you throw a good looking WW2 event. You can always have the partisan impression for those not ready or willing to make a committment (investment) in WW2. They are readily put together for not too much money and they fit in well at an event. Plus.... plus, they are easier to spot and kill on the battlefield. Make sure they have to wear brighter upper clothing. Heh-heh.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jun 23, 2011 17:09:49 GMT -5
Several good points. HornetWSO made an excellent one. When you lower standards you will lose those who don't want to mix with hodgepodge impressions and you will definitely scare away any reenactors that you want firing blank guns. Volkssturm has it pegged on the full auto syndrome. We've been to a few of the themed events and after they occur I don't notice this great influx of newer WW2 devotees. So.... is it worth it? If you're starved for some (any) WW2 event action then go. Heck, I get starved if I don't play some WW2 after about 30 days. I think though that higher standards is a sounder strategy. Besides, you're out East and there is a vibrant community of WW2 airsofters out your way. If you want to host an event they will probably attend if it has quality aspects to it. Maybe you won't get 100 players but you may add one or two new devotees every time you throw a good looking WW2 event. You can always have the partisan impression for those not ready or willing to make a committment (investment) in WW2. They are readily put together for not too much money and they fit in well at an event. Plus.... plus, they are easier to spot and kill on the battlefield. Make sure they have to wear brighter upper clothing. Heh-heh. True if you can get enough interest then do it right the first time out. Even if you can only get like 20 guys. Once people see some pictures of what your doing and such you'll get more people.
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Post by thisissparta on Jun 24, 2011 8:45:47 GMT -5
cdi listen to this and tell me what you think, In WWII airsoft those with the more correct WWII era, are underdogs to those of m14s, m60s and what not. I know this might not be the right forum to put this on but maybe you could do a WWI event. Everyone has only the option of Vsr 10s, and wood shotguns for primaries and 1911s and c96s for secondaries. Whada ya say?
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jun 24, 2011 13:46:45 GMT -5
I've only ever played themed games,. Same here, only WWII or Vietnam. Never went to a mixed or modern one
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Post by Adler69 on Jun 24, 2011 14:56:34 GMT -5
Mixed games when done right are fun as hell. I play all kind of games from WWII all the way to Modern themed and even a bunch of alternate reality and Sci-Fi themed games.
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Post by labrador on Jun 24, 2011 19:44:10 GMT -5
my team place WW2 versus modern. very easy to identify who to shoot. every couple of weeks we play all WW2 exclusive. IT's very difficult to organize an all WW2 game so this gives us the chance to at least train almost every weekend.
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Post by cdi on Jun 26, 2011 21:32:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the Input everyone!
I guess we are going to try for a themed game, The use of modern weapons will be controlled by possibly giving everyone with a modern gun a limited amount of ammo 4-5 mags. Squads will have to resupply them selves and having a fluid rear area supply line system will make for some great skirmishes. Also an obvious color scheme would be used for each side and it would be extremely encouraged that you arrive in period gear and possibly offer a discount to those that do. In a perfect world id Like to be able to buy 40-50 East German trench coats and 40-50 Russian style trench coats and a lot of cheap repro gear. Possibly charge a 2-3+ surcharge to rent it for the day..if you arrive in modern garb you can only play of you rent the gear but, you could use your modern gun. Though that would be a few years away and I would do some test games prior to see if the numbers are there.
Also for the reenactors I would most likely end up hiring out a few groups to make things simpler Ive already made contact with an old HS buddy who claims to be in a small group and he said they may be interested! My goal would be to get some halftracks (obviously a long ways off). I understand that it would be expensive but, I feel it would be well worth the investment....certainly after a few test games though. The Ideal Situation would be to get the Reenactors and Period player that wanted to Set up a Camp/Swap meet the day before. So that people wanting to play that do not have the right stuff can come by and pick up some gear. Also just the sheer magnitude of the gear around will cause some people to purchase a WW2 load out.. I know at RPC's stalingrad seeing 20-30 people dressed almost the part spurred me to buy a German Load out (just trying to find size 13 boots). Just because of that game about 20+ players in the New England Area have started to piece together ww2 kits!
Also Sparta my buddy and I are planning on running a very small ww1 game this fall in Mass if we find the time. I might even be purchasing the Repro Storm-trooper chest armor on IMA for it. Though do to conflicting schedules we are not sure if that will be pushed back until next spring.....we even know of a field with trenches!!!
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 26, 2011 23:13:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a plan. ;D I like limiting the ammo supply. Instead of trench coats, Flectarn shirts are plentiful and cheap. An alternative (also plentiful and cheap) is Alpenflage. You could try dyeing it to make it less red. OD shirts and jackets of various origin are pretty common at reasonable prices. Getting both sides in identifiable colors would be a good start.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 26, 2011 23:24:52 GMT -5
grey bdu's vs green bdu's are very cheap. If they want camo buy repro smocks or splinter zelts. better than flek or alpineflauge.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 30, 2011 14:56:18 GMT -5
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Post by cdi on Jun 30, 2011 18:48:55 GMT -5
Thats a good site! They have some decent prices on stuff. That could very well be a possibility though having to dye stuff would take alot of time and I could see my self getting stained lol.
What I might do is email some asian wholesalers and see if they can give me a good deal on a bulk buy in the future.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 30, 2011 19:19:12 GMT -5
Rits dye you can just toss in the washing machine. Getting the right shade could be a problem and polyester doesn't always take dye well, I've found. Depending on what they look like in natural light, youmight not need it. Just put collar tabs and shoulder boards on them and paint over those silver buttons.
Or you might be able to get a good price from overseas. For your purposes you don't need really high quality repros. Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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Post by vonRaytoven on Jul 2, 2011 19:45:44 GMT -5
I agree w/what Hornet say's,if it were closer I'd do it,and since I do both types of reenacting I'd bring my aeg MP-40 and my blank firing P-38,but,you should also let the players know that,these days you can buy a world war 2 uniform for around $100.00 from some of the vendors on ebay.That's not too much of a financial strain if your into doing WW2 airsoft battles.
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