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Post by gadge on Aug 8, 2011 18:35:35 GMT -5
So essentially you dont do it because ...the guys who do it in your area are idiots... That I can fully understand Although your Himmler argument is a bit weak given the Armys CiC was Hitler  |
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Post by Rampenfest on Aug 9, 2011 11:01:11 GMT -5
Gadge, you got it correct. ;D I have a hard enough time explaining to people how the regular Heer is just the same as any army. They got drafted when there was war and wanted(or not) and needed to fight for their country. And I still don't like Himmler as he is a major player in the Holocaust.
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Post by kingraptor141 on Oct 16, 2011 20:53:33 GMT -5
For most people, one word: camo Yep, I didn't actually know the Heer didn't use the smock I'm using, but I got it anyway only to find out later it was SS, my thought process was: Grey on woodland, not a good idea, woodland camo pattern on woodland, very good idea. But for political purposes, I'd rather be the Heer. |
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Apr 19, 2012 6:16:37 GMT -5
I agree with what both of you have said. There are too many Waffen SS and Fallschrimjäger soldiers out there and its really annoying. If you go to the Axis impression boards and look under the "I'm Working on It" thread all you see is Fallschrimjäger and about 99% just don't look the part, if you know what I mean. Now I can;t say that I have never thought about being in the Waffen-SS or Fallschrimjäger but after looking at all of the pictures in the different threads I think it would be best to just be a mid-war Heer solider just to be different. I do not understand the facination people have for the Waffen-SS, and many of them seem to think that they were all elite divisions. Just because a division is issued camouflage doesn't make it elite. I also think that a lot of people have secret racial motives for being in the Waffen-SS and probably dream of going back in time to kill Jews, Poles, Slavs, Gypsies, et cetra. In my opinion , doing an impression of a Waffen-SS soldier is a POLITICAL AND OR MORAL VIEW(S) STATEMENT. I know you people are going to crucify me for that one. However, the Waffen-SS was "....the armed wing of the Nazi Party....criminal organization....list of noted massacers by the Waffen SS: Wormhoudt massacre by SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler , 1940, Belgium Le Paradis massacre by SS Division Totenkopf, 1940, France Oradour-sur-Glane massacre by SS Division Das Reich , 1944, France Ochota massacre by SS Kaminski Brigade, 1944, Poland Wola massacre by SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, 1944 Poland Huta Pieniacka massacre by SS-Galizien division 1944, Poland Tulle massacre by SS Das Reich, 1944, France Marzabotto massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy Malmedy massacre by Kampfgruppe Peiper part of 1st SS Panzer Division, 1944, Belgium Ardeatine massacre by two SS Officers, 1944, Italy Distomo massacre by 4th SS Polizei Division, 1944, Greece Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy Ardenne Abbey massacre 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, 1944, France...". No member of an airsoft Waffen-SS unit can say they are non-political. They know what the Waffen-SS did in the Second World War and by putting a Waffen uniform on you represent the Waffen-SS and therefore the political views and actions of the Waffen SS, Allgemeine SS, and Nazi Party as a whole. The Heer, Luftwaffe, and Kriegsmarine share their equal blame and guilt in the actions of WWII, but not even as close to that of the SS. I understand your point, and I'm not defendign them, but here is a list of things not taken into account: 1. Dirlewangers were a penal unir. Not really SS. They weren't allowed to join. 2. Numerous atrocities by Luftwaffe and Heer, even. Early on, the SS was looked down upon, so the Heer had fanatics in it, too. 3. On the Eastern front, it is hard to name a unit that didn't commit atrocities! Yes, even the 'good guy' Heer units and fallschirmjager did it, as well as the russians on a great scale. 4. Even the Western allies did. I'm not saying it's right, and yes, the SS did a lot, but then you need to count in all the Lufty and Heer ones. They weren't the "good guyd" everyone thinks they were. |
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Post by mastermike95 on Apr 19, 2012 19:36:18 GMT -5
Personally, I never liked SS uniforms. This is coming from a guy who doesent do German. I like the basic German heer with no camo cover on his stalhelm, and carries an mp40 or a k98.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Apr 19, 2012 19:44:41 GMT -5
I like heer stuff too, and have a Heer M40 tunic, but perfer SS. The uniforms are the same, just different insignia. Its only the farbs that make ss look like bushes with smocks, uber Flaggrantly Wrong field made trousers and tunics, camo helmet covers. The heer had camo, too.
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Post by mastermike95 on Apr 19, 2012 20:18:19 GMT -5
Yah i dont really like german camo smocks and helmet covers. I like the wool tunics with jackboots.
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Post by panzer IB on May 18, 2012 14:04:41 GMT -5
my view is that its just to much for me to try to give a good reason to do ss, so i stick with heer, unless im at an anime convention, thats a whole different ball game  |
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 18, 2012 17:42:20 GMT -5
Reason: When kids play cops and robbers, someone has to be the rpobbers; the bad guys. well, same in reenacting.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 18, 2012 18:19:36 GMT -5
Reason: When kids play cops and robbers, someone has to be the rpobbers; the bad guys. well, same in reenacting. The question was why so many SS thought not why so many bad guys. |
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Post by labrador on Jul 19, 2012 7:27:49 GMT -5
I have a very simple answer. The camouflage both looks really great and is quite effective. The legendary status (often overblown by propaganda) is a plus. Once in a while i get tired of it and go Heer feldgrau and when i get tired of that i go allied. But i never tire of SS.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 19, 2012 8:34:44 GMT -5
On the forum here, Ive noticed many more fallschirmjagers and heer thn ss, though.
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Post by panzer IB on Sept 30, 2013 17:59:23 GMT -5
I chose the SS for the great health care. i choose gebirgsjager cause we get to break the rules for facial hair XD |
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Post by cairo1 on Oct 3, 2013 13:51:31 GMT -5
I was Picked for gebirgsjager, The Health care came with it. 6th SS baby
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Post by sgtkillroy1944 on Oct 3, 2013 19:33:30 GMT -5
okay fellas heres my two cents on the matter, Like many on the forum i also beleive its really just for the looks of the uniform and equipment, i mean in my personal opinion ive always liked the kraut stuff better NOT AT ALL FOR THE IDEOLOGY, but strictly for looks, i think to some extent the krauts did have some of the snazyest looking uniforms of the war, i love the mix of camo and feldgrau it just works ! But i can also say that i dont do just ss or axis for that matter, as i Like to participate as both as axis and allied combatants. But as Far as Anything ss related goes I've always like the gerbirgsjagers, as I myself have a 6th as nord gerbirgsjager load out,in which I have used for both reenacting and airsofting
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 4, 2013 11:55:38 GMT -5
I read some time ago that when the Germans set out to redesign their uniforms in the 1930's they hired fashion designers and organized what would now be called focus groups to critique the designs. The focus groups were slanted towards women and what they thought looked good. Great recruiting tool, a uniform that helps you pick up chicks while on leave.  Anyway, they did a good job because, politics and the dark side of history aside, the Germans had the best looking uniforms of the war imho. Anyway, I think just the cachet of being "elite" attracts a lot of people to the SS, as well as US or Brit paratroopers or US Rangers. Nothing wrong with that. It's human nature. |
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Post by knights52 on Oct 4, 2013 12:07:48 GMT -5
Hugo Boss designed the SS uniforms. I think that's enough explanation.
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Post by Forever_Kaos on Oct 6, 2013 0:03:00 GMT -5
Adi Dassler designed the boots too! (Adi-das  ) |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 14, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -5
For reenactment or WW2 airsoft YOU'RE PLAYING Army. It is a fantasy, it's dress up, posing and picture time. If you're like most folks you want to look as cool as possible. When you do video car racing you don't choose a Toyota Camry. Even though that's a far more likely vehicle to see on the road. You choose the vehicle or vehicles you'd love to drive. Choosing an Audi or BMW, Vette, Porsche or Mustang in a video game doesn't mean thats what you'd drive in real life anymore then wearing a SS uniform means you have racist, nazi sympathies.
I often do NamSofting in a VC or NVA uniform. 40 years ago these folks were trying to kill me! Wearing their uniforms or adopting the look at a fantasy GAME means nothing more then realizing someone has to be the OPFOR. The great thing is you're playing. It's you fantasy, your make believe. Do what you want, be mindful of other peoples sensitivities and in the privacy of the events have fun and PLAY ARMY. Actors play degenerates all the time and no one has a problem realizing it's just a role.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 5, 2013 17:51:02 GMT -5
ss is just les boring then normal army it is more elite and lets us do elite stuff. i dont want to where normal grey i want to where black and camou it is y most people do ss
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Post by brownien on Nov 5, 2013 19:16:37 GMT -5
Again, Waffen SS never wore black uniforms in combat.
Read up on this stuff and comment when you can make a valid point about the topic at hand. I don't see a grain of historical truth in the statements at hand
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 5, 2013 20:11:15 GMT -5
Didn't tank crews wear black uniforms? I may be mistaken, but I thought they did. I doubt dasreich has a tank though.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 5, 2013 20:31:17 GMT -5
Didn't tank crews wear black uniforms? I may be mistaken, but I thought they did. I doubt dasreich has a tank though. Yes, they did. A black uniform with a short jacket that was better suited to wearing in a tank. The black didn't show oil stains. As the war progressed they added uniforms in a similar style in summer uniform reed green and in camouflage. |
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Post by ajman on Nov 5, 2013 20:38:38 GMT -5
Dasreich is a clone trooper with a phaser laser from WWI who is stationed on the Death Star in the middle of the Roman Empire with Charlie Sheen.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 5, 2013 20:44:45 GMT -5
Dasreich is a clone trooper with a phaser laser from WWI who is stationed on the Death Star in the middle of the Roman Empire with Charlie Sheen. Lol yeah, he operates the super-ultra-mega laser of doom on the Death Star. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 5, 2013 23:10:24 GMT -5
Das Reich has been warned by the mods that he is numb and needs to tighten up his shot group if he wishes to continue to contribute to this forum.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 6, 2013 18:43:45 GMT -5
Dasreich is a clone trooper with a phaser laser from WWI who is stationed on the Death Star in the middle of the Roman Empire with Charlie Sheen. i dont get y u keep making jokes about me i just want to be a normal guy on the forms. the ss didtt fight in wwi and idont get the rest of the joke i am just trying to learn more baout the ss and stop the sutf that ppl think about them being evil they were just elite troops of the germans i am kind of pissed that everyone hear wants me gon -Chuck |
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 6, 2013 19:06:08 GMT -5
They committed far more war crimes than any other branch of the German military though. And I believe that they were created as Hitler's personal bodyguards, so...
The reason we make jokes is because you do not listen to our advice. US BDU looks nothing like German uniforms, and spiked helmets were never used in WWII.
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Post by brownien on Nov 6, 2013 19:11:09 GMT -5
We would very much like to take you seriously, but the presents you make of yourself on this forum makes you sound like a 12 year old CoD player.
I commend you for your efforts to educate yourself, ask and accept advice, but to participate in WW2 Airsoft while striving to be historically correct, there is a certain level of maturity that must come into play.
I would like to personally apolagize for the ranting that has been going on at your expense. You very much do not deserve the negative attention.
I would like to give you some advice, please strive to be mostly grammatically correct in your posts, it would help your presents greatly.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 6, 2013 20:17:41 GMT -5
I would add that the subject of the SS is very complex and historians still argue about it. There were two branches to the SS. The original SS was Hitler's bodyguard. They also took charge of the concentration camps. They branched out into the Waffen-SS (loosely translated "Armed SS"). Survivors of the Waffen-SS make great efforts to separate themselves from concentration camp guards but as Shiftysgarand points out their record for committing war crimes is nothing to be proud of. The SS attracted fanatics. But also latter in the war when replacements became a problem the SS also pulled in men who weren't Nazi fanatics, or even Himmler approved Aryans. Get some good books and read up on it.
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Anyway, they did a good job because, politics and the dark side of history aside, the Germans had the best looking uniforms of the war imho.
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