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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 22, 2012 23:16:34 GMT -5
Ok, for the longest time now (doing research), I cannot tell the difference between the 2. On some websites, it will say King Arms licensed by Cybergun, but on others, there is a cybergun thompson for sale and then a king arms one for sale as well. Help?
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Post by mastermike95 on Mar 23, 2012 1:22:56 GMT -5
King arms is better. Its pretty much an upgraded version of the cybergun. Higher rate of fire and accuracy. Its more sturdier also. My buddy has one. However i think the Tokyo Marui thompson is the best.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 23, 2012 7:40:05 GMT -5
Yea like he said. Its just an upgraded version of the CYMA meaning internally. It has a higher FPS out of the box and better internal parts. It should out perform and out last the CYMA. King Arms also makes a wood version which has engraved trademarks on the receiver. The wood version also has a lower metal receiver and a of course it is real wood. Here is a link to the wood version. www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_King_Arms_King_Arms_Thompson_M1A1_Military.htmI'd rank the Thompson brands like this: 1. King Arms real wood version 2: Tokyo Mauri/Regular King Arms 3: CYMA That is not to say the CYMA Thompson is bad. It is one of the best clones I've used. Its accurate and has a high fps out of the box. I've never had a jam with mine and haven't cleaned it or anything the 3 years I've had it. I'd recommend it. Only reason I would bother buying a different brand is for the engraved trademarks.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 23, 2012 8:14:44 GMT -5
Not to mention the King Arms Thompson with real wood looks Parkerized, just like the real steel.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 23, 2012 15:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 24, 2012 14:20:01 GMT -5
The King Arms Thompson M1A1 Military model is different than any other M1A1 on the market, it has the correct "stamps" with the exception of the location of the company (while it is correct for any real Thompson produced TODAY, Worcester, Mass. is not correct for any real WWII Thompson), it even has individual serial numbers for each gun. It looks Parkerized, which is also correct for the M1 series Thompsons. They really hit the nail on the head with this version and I can't wait to get my hands on one.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 24, 2012 18:43:39 GMT -5
Are you referring to the one on redwolf or megastore? Also, the one on megastore has the engravings in white, unlike the one on redwolf.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 24, 2012 20:01:55 GMT -5
The one on redwolf. The other one is not engraved
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 24, 2012 23:39:22 GMT -5
But the one on redwolf is out of stock, so where can you get it?
From the research I did, there are 4 different types of Thompsons:
1.) The Tokyo Marui
2.) Cybergun (Cyma)
3.) King Arms Ultra (plastic stock and barrel grip, white printed trademars just like cyma, full metal, high FPS)
4.) King Arms Military (real wood and full metal, real engravings, lower FPS)
I currently own the cybergun one. I absolutely HATE the fact that it overhops like a mother.. EVEN WITH THE HOP UP ALL THE WAY DOWN AND .25 BB's!!!! I tried shaving down the hop up but nothing. So I am looking for a Thompson that doesn't have this problem. The king arms ultra and the cybergun thompson are VERY similar, in fact, king arms I think had some involvement in the development of the cybergun one am I right?
So here is what I want to know. Does the King Arms ultra have the hop up problem fixed? I know the king arms military (the one with the real wood engravings) supposedly has this upgrade. The King arms ultra has an FPS upgrade, but who cares about that. I want that hop up problem solved. Does anyone have any input on this?
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Post by roadwarrior on Mar 25, 2012 0:33:03 GMT -5
My standard KA thompson is great, Nice internals and overall great.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 0:35:40 GMT -5
Does it over hop like crazy? Even when the hop up is all the way down?
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 25, 2012 8:35:33 GMT -5
My cyma has never had a problem with over hop, I can get it to shoot straight with .20g no problem. I don't think you are going to find the real wood version anywhere atm, every where I have looked it is sold out. Hopefully they haven't discontinued that model. I'm not sure what I want more though, the new ARES Thompsons are going to be made out of actual steel, and their 1928 looks like a real 1928, not that abomination that King Arms made.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 9:10:46 GMT -5
Hmm. When did you purchase yours?
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 25, 2012 9:11:47 GMT -5
I got it for Christmas in 2007
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 9:15:19 GMT -5
I got mine in 2010 and it over hops like a mother.. even with the hop up all the way down. The reviews for it even state that it has this problem.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 25, 2012 9:19:17 GMT -5
hmm that's strange. My friend bought one of the boneyard Thompsons frome evike. I used it last time we played because mine wasn't feeding properly, and I'm not sure if it was overhopping or if the hop up was non existent but good lord I couldn't hit ****.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 9:22:16 GMT -5
Cybergun is aware that their thompson over hops. If you look on the review for it on evike.com, the guy in the video mentions it.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 25, 2012 9:27:05 GMT -5
I wonder why that is
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 9:48:43 GMT -5
I don't know..
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 25, 2012 9:58:10 GMT -5
I got my CYMA thompson in 2008 and its never had an over hop problem. Still the best out of the box gun I've gotten. Cybergun is not a brand its just an importer it re brands other stuff. Anyways try using higher gram BB's 28 or 30 that should fix it.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 10:10:48 GMT -5
If 25s don't work, I doubt they'll work too.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Mar 25, 2012 11:04:01 GMT -5
For some wierd reason only the Cybergun rebrands have that problem. The King Arms and Tokyo Marui ones are fine. I have Cyberguns screwed up m1928 and it doesn't have the problem thank God. And I think the chances of getting a good one are 3/5 , my friend has a Cybergun m1928 same as mine but either he never lowers his hopup (I've never shot a gun of his that the hopup wasn't WAY over adjusted) or he has the same problem. He uses always uses either .25 or .28s.
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Post by bloodandguts5150 on Mar 25, 2012 11:14:11 GMT -5
I'm still looking forward to the ARES M1A1 and Model 1928. The only thing I'm really concerned about them is the weight, if you look at the catalogue they have on their site, they list the weight of the M1A1 at 2200g (4.8lbs) and the 1928 at 2000g (4.4lbs). I'm not sure if those weights are with the plastic or optional wood. I think that is low considering they list them as being made out of steel... But either way, I can't wait for the 1928.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 25, 2012 11:45:30 GMT -5
For some wierd reason only the Cybergun rebrands have that problem. The King Arms and Tokyo Marui ones are fine. I have Cyberguns screwed up m1928 and it doesn't have the problem thank God. And I think the chances of getting a good one are 3/5 , my friend has a Cybergun m1928 same as mine but either he never lowers his hopup (I've never shot a gun of his that the hopup wasn't WAY over adjusted) or he has the same problem. He uses always uses either .25 or .28s. A heavy enough BB should compensate for the over hop. Why would the KA and Mauri ones have that problem? They are a different brand? I am guessing its just a factory mistake. I never turn my hop up to much either way.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 12:03:25 GMT -5
All I know is, I hate this over hop.
And aren't the king arms made made by king arms but licensed by cybergun?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 25, 2012 12:12:46 GMT -5
If its licensed by Cybergun it would say it on the box and stuff. Either way Cybergun doesn't affect the inner workings of the gun its just a name. I am guessing an over hop could be fixed. Try replacing the the nub or sanding down the hop up arm. Otherwise you could just buy a replacement hop up, cheaper then buying a whole new gun.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 15:18:32 GMT -5
I looked, but they don't sell replacement hop up apparently :/
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 25, 2012 15:37:34 GMT -5
Did you try sanding down the hop up arm or getting a new hop up nub?
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Post by tommygunner9 on Mar 25, 2012 16:39:35 GMT -5
Hop up nub? And yes, I tried shaving it down but nothing :/
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 25, 2012 17:31:57 GMT -5
i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/ComradeMP/13.jpgThe arm is the large thing on top. The nub is the small thing on the bottom. The arm pushes down on the nub which pushes down on the hop up rubber/bucking which pushes down into the chamber which makes the BB spin/hop ;D.
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