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Post by HornetWSO on Jul 29, 2012 22:08:27 GMT -5
They make an app for that ;D
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Post by tommygunner9 on Jul 29, 2012 22:12:37 GMT -5
2nd Bat I agree that the M1 Carbine is a niche that has yet to be filled. I was going to do the KJW, but I did not like the receiver. Looked too much like the 10/22 I inlaid into a carbine stock. I'm hopeful but not confident, that since the C02 will require additional strength, the action has been worked accordingly. We'll see in the next week or two. Tommygunner9, I too have been frustrated by the lack of any review or information available outside of the vendor world. I'll do an "opening of the box review" and then a post skirmish review. Got my fingers crossed!! Thank you, HornetWSO! We share similar frustrations! It's very kind of you to give us your insight on the gun. Very much appreciated!
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Post by heckman328 on Jul 30, 2012 16:49:47 GMT -5
This may sound stupid, but how do you get such a weapon through customs into the US? I thought the ATF was strictly cracking down on gas blowback rifles coming through customs?
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Post by tommygunner9 on Jul 31, 2012 13:37:46 GMT -5
Once they see the orange tip, you'll be good.
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Post by coljones on Aug 1, 2012 19:08:26 GMT -5
I wish they would come out with a BAR that wasn't so expensive. then there would be every major airsoft gun out there. They also need to make a cheaper 1919. Does anyone know how to use killbuckets instructions on the 1919. It shows the pieces you need to get cut but what about putting them together and putting in the internals.
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Post by coljones on Aug 1, 2012 19:11:51 GMT -5
they also need a 1903 I'm thinking of converting a dBoys Kar98k to a 1903 it seems pretty simple
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Post by HornetWSO on Aug 5, 2012 17:41:49 GMT -5
Well Just got back from a Business Trip and much to my surprise, was a large box waiting for me on the dinning room table! Being that I paid for the lowest shipping (still expensive), I was happy to see that I received the M1 within a week from ordering!! When I unwrapped the package I was greeted by a cardboard and foam box. After breaking the seal and pulling the top off the box I found manual, written in Japanese and a catalog. Now for the goods! Package included the M1 Carbine CDX, heavy magazine, bb.s and gel pack. My initial impressions:This little gun is light and solid. Does not appear to be as heavy as my real steel, but it does feel very solid and comfortable to shoulder. Cycling the bolt, it maks a nice "clink" when the bolt goes home, but again it is not a responsive as the real steel. That's OK as it's an airsoft gun! The color of the stock is a little more red than my liking, so I will darken the stock in the near future. I knew this came with the type three barrel band, so I had intentions of changing this out to a type !!. My curiosity got the best of me, so I took the front sight off, loosened the set screw on the barrel band and slid it right off. It's not like a real Type III, but made from two parts. The band goes over the barrel shroud, but I did replace it with a real Type II with no issues. MagazineThe magazine is large and heavy. It needs to be large enough for the co2 12gram cartridge to fit inside. It is larger than the real steel magazine and will not allow the stock pouch to snap closed. To me that's a small price to pay for a carbine though. I purchased a 2nd magazine for $46, so this is not going to be a cheap solution to make this a skirmishable weapon. Side View Front View Bottom View ShootingI loaded the magazine up with 15 .25's. Slide a co2 cartridge in and screwed the bottom on until it was snug. I inserted the magazine, gave it a tap to make sure it was seated, retracked and released the charging handle, rotated the safety towards the trigger housing and BANG-Clink, BANG-CLINK, BANG-CLINK! Very satisfying cycle of fire. The rounds flew true for about 150' and hit a small sapling I was aiming at. I have not benched this yet or conducted a chrono. When I have a little more time Ill let you know some details on the FPS and accuracy, perhaps I'll wait until I take this to the field at the Failaise Gap game on the 25th. MetalsI decided to use a magnet to test which parts would be conductive (steel). The barrel jacket does not attract the magnet, and after removing the front site, it appears to be aluminum. The bolt is steel. The receiver appears to be aluminum. The trigger group is steel and the trigger housing appears to be aluminum. OverallOverall, I'm very pleased with this carbine and glad to have it!
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Post by tommygunner9 on Aug 5, 2012 20:15:32 GMT -5
Thank you so much!!! I read every single word and I'm, glad to have this information. I am now more convinced to buy this. The construction seems to be pretty decent. I was worried about pot metal.
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Post by newcomer on Aug 5, 2012 21:23:46 GMT -5
Ditto on that tommy, glad to hear that it's steel. Just can't wait for it to show up in the states.
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Post by OwO Jima on Aug 6, 2012 1:18:59 GMT -5
Ditto on that tommy, glad to hear that it's steel. Just can't wait for it to show up in the states. Say what? Import an awesome M1 carbine over a generic M4? You must know where to look - because I've only ever seen WWII gun (except for the CYMA & AGM AEGs) on Asian websites. By the way - how well do those magazine fit into the carbine magazine pouch?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 6, 2012 2:35:29 GMT -5
The magazines obviously wont fit in the carbine pouches based on the photos (too long and too tall I would guess) but like Hornet I can easily live with that challenge based on the review which indicates to me that this carbine would meet my expectations. Obviously the cost of spare magazines is high @ $46.00 each and with a 15 round capacity that will take it out of true skirmishability for most folks.
Anxious to hear how many reloads of BBs one can manage on a 12 gram co2 cartridge. As a rear eschelon player, officer or crew served weapons guy, the carbine with perhaps 2 or 3 spare magazines should work fine. Since I'm at an age where I mostly end up monitoring radios or hanging back during events, odds are this carbine should work fine for my purposes and should be a great addition for both WW2 or Vietnam.
Let us know about durability after you use it at your first weekend event. Thanks for the great report. I'll keep an eye on this thread for updates. I am usually not a fan of gas guns but this one seems to be very well done.
just out of curiosity with the cheaper shipping what did they charge you to get it in the states? Obviously to save on total shipping ordering it with the spare magazines at the time of ones initial order would be the way to go.
Thanks again Hornet for ponying up and taking the plunge.
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Post by Schmozilla on Aug 6, 2012 3:45:38 GMT -5
Ahhh time to buy it when It comes to the USA ( probably not lol)at least there getting it a bit more right this time, do you think it can handle co2'for long periods of time?
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Post by tinydata on Aug 6, 2012 9:16:48 GMT -5
Steel parts from Marushin? Something must have changed their minds.
I'll be waiting to hear just how durable it is long term.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 6, 2012 13:11:04 GMT -5
They must have realised they were going out of business by making the most important parts out of pot metal, really glad to hear it's steel
I wonder if the banana magazines would fit into it, they probably didn't change the magwell?
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Post by HornetWSO on Aug 6, 2012 22:22:03 GMT -5
Anxious to hear how many reloads of BBs one can manage on a 12 gram co2 cartridge. just out of curiosity with the cheaper shipping what did they charge you to get it in the states? Obviously to save on total shipping ordering it with the spare magazines at the time of ones initial order would be the way to go. Thanks again Hornet for ponying up and taking the plunge. 2nd Bat, So far I've put 60 rounds through one mag. I'll put more through when I get back home. I bought the carbine, extra mag and two box sets of VN magazines, shipping was about $87 door to door.
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Post by SfcMigs on Aug 7, 2012 22:16:09 GMT -5
Great review Hornet!
Can't wait to see it in person in a few weeks.
Talk to you soon,
Migs
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Post by ferdatheant on Oct 11, 2012 15:29:00 GMT -5
Anxious to hear how many reloads of BBs one can manage on a 12 gram co2 cartridge. just out of curiosity with the cheaper shipping what did they charge you to get it in the states? Obviously to save on total shipping ordering it with the spare magazines at the time of ones initial order would be the way to go. Thanks again Hornet for ponying up and taking the plunge. 2nd Bat, So far I've put 60 rounds through one mag. I'll put more through when I get back home. I bought the carbine, extra mag and two box sets of VN magazines, shipping was about $87 door to door. Hornet do not you have any news about performance and durability of this gun? I can't wait to hear it. Very tempted to buy it... Thanks for any info.
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Post by HornetWSO on Oct 14, 2012 19:08:53 GMT -5
2nd Bat, So far I've put 60 rounds through one mag. I'll put more through when I get back home. I bought the carbine, extra mag and two box sets of VN magazines, shipping was about $87 door to door. Hornet do not you have any news about performance and durability of this gun? I can't wait to hear it. Very tempted to buy it... Thanks for any info. Sorry all, been way too busy at work these days, though the gun worked great at the last event I attended. I have to say, 15 rnd mags puts one at a disadvantage when the other side has MP40s and MP44s, but I'm OK with that. I love mine, but it ain't cheap!! If you can afford one, you'll be happy.
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Post by ferdatheant on Oct 16, 2012 11:31:39 GMT -5
Hornet do not you have any news about performance and durability of this gun? I can't wait to hear it. Very tempted to buy it... Thanks for any info. Sorry all, been way too busy at work these days, though the gun worked great at the last event I attended. I have to say, 15 rnd mags puts one at a disadvantage when the other side has MP40s and MP44s, but I'm OK with that. I love mine, but it ain't cheap!! If you can afford one, you'll be happy. Nice to hear that . I just hoped that the performance will give me some advantage against cadence and magazines of automatic guns. On Redwolf they write about 400+ FPS what seemed to me to be really good and more than other ww2 guns or lets say on level of MP44. Could you write me whether it is like that or not so good? Or is it just good FPS but lower range? Thanks a lot for answer.
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Post by HornetWSO on Oct 16, 2012 19:18:37 GMT -5
it shoots 400 fps and is pretty accurate!
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Post by Schmozilla on Oct 26, 2012 16:55:56 GMT -5
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Post by ferdatheant on Oct 27, 2012 9:29:01 GMT -5
It is on the way . Now I will have to sell my old 8mm carabine which served me well for 5 years :/...
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Post by newcomer on Nov 3, 2012 18:11:07 GMT -5
I stopped by ASGI yesterday and picked up one of the carbines. At the time, They only had two left.
The chronograph read 395 FPS and I have no reason to doubt it, this thing fires hard. Accuracy is good, and this should make for an excellent mid-long range weapon. I have put in around 10 magazines, and each CO2 charge was good for about 3-5 magazines, depending on temperature and rate of fire.
what's unusual about my model is that its a hybrid. It's functionally identical to Hornet's carbine, yet the wood stock, stain color and markings are identical to my friend's earlier M2 carbine. The stock has the groove for the fire selector, and the reciever evenhas "carbine .30 cal M2" stamped into it.
The box had an "M2 carbine" sticker on it, yet it had the manual for the M1 CO2 model. I personally don't mind this unusual mix, but was wondering if anyone else had this happen?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 5, 2012 0:39:21 GMT -5
Any additional updates on this gun? If I liquidate a few more of my "toys" this guy will fit nicely into my armory. the early reports sound very encouraging. Does the magazine use the normal sized CO2 cartridges or the smaller 8oz ones. If the smaller how easy / hard are they to source? Airsoft GI didnt have spare magazines on hand when I contacted them but plans to carry them.
i have missed my original 6mm Marushin carbine since the day I sold it and the lack of an M1 carbine that was skirmishable has been a big hole. I,m thinking this gun and two or three spare magazines would suit MY purposes 90 % of the time as I seldom end up firing a round at most events. Perfect for Ww2 and Vietnam
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Post by newcomer on Dec 5, 2012 17:17:40 GMT -5
The gun uses the normal CO2 cartridges, thankfully. Unfortunately, it causes the mag to be fatter by about 3/4ths-1 inch total, but it's livable.
ASGI ran out of spare magazines earlier, but seem to have received more. Check their website for the most up to date info.
As for performance, I love it. Accuracy is good, I've yet to skirmish with it however (that's college finals for ya!), but each magazine can fire about 3-4 loads with a new CO2 catridge. Ammunition capacity is low, 15 rounds, and the magazines average 50 bucks a pop, so 2-3 spare mags will cost a pretty penny.
Overall, I consider the carbine to be a worthwhile weapon, pricey yes, but usable.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 6, 2012 0:30:28 GMT -5
So essentially its a $500.oo gun by the time you get it home and have a couple spare mags. I know everyone says it but i sure wish there was an aeg carbine even if the power was a bit low. 320 FPS or better would seem to be about right to represent the cartridge limitations.
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Post by newcomer on Dec 6, 2012 0:48:25 GMT -5
That's pretty much the case. If you love the carbine, like me, then its worth walking to your destinations for a month or so instead of paying for gas. Otherwise, its a bit fat money sink.
As for an AEG carbine, after looking at my CYMA AEPs and comparing them with the carbine, any electric powered carbine would most likely be a glorified AEP due to the weapon's dinky size. FPS would be in the high 200s to low 300s, but acceptable I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 0:50:04 GMT -5
Im currently using the 8mm single action [as in rack the bolt for every shot] carbine. would this be a major improvement or is it equally finicky.
I custom cut mine to fit into a para stock and would love to invest in this if It could be relied on to pop 12-15 rounds with just the finger pull on the trigger. I can deal with the reloads an or buying enough mags to cycle a load out.
it sounds like it would be an improvement over my current weapon.
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Post by newcomer on Dec 6, 2012 0:58:30 GMT -5
I have never seen nor known much about the single shot carbines, I can't really say how they compare.
From my test firings, I can fire off all 15 rounds in quick succession with a good degree of accuracy and power. I can imagine rapid firing wearing down the CO2 much faster, perhaps two full magazines before requiring replacement.
When if/when I get to skirmish over the X-mas break, i'll try and put a more detailed report.
EDIT: anyone know if this is compatable with a real steel stock and handguard? I've just had the opportunity to aquire a GI walnut stock and hanguard and wanted to find out before i drop that much cash.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 6, 2012 13:11:39 GMT -5
I skirmished for years with my 6mm cock it each time gas carbine and while it worked it was at a significant disadvantage. It did however have excellent range and better accuracy than typical AEGs. The gbb versions of the gun (in 8mm) were a serious step down and i quickly sold the one i had. I heard that the later gbb gas carbine was better and understand that this co2 variant is quite good.
Enough so that it is back on my list. Incidently i love the looks of your (paladine) modified carbine. airborne troopers are frequently associated with that variant (folding stock) but they also were issued regular carbines as well so either would be correct. In addition, the carbine was the most popular US weapon with German soldiers who commonly comandeered them when they could. germany liked them so much they type classified them. I think the enblock system and M1 thumb of the Garand explains why they werent crazy about it. The thompson was considered clumsy and too darn heavy. (it weighed 21/2 pounds more than a Garand). Hence the carbine would actually work for a Kraut impression.
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