2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2013 15:31:55 GMT -5
Posted elsewhere but Marushin has announced the release (for "early" 2013) of a plastic stock (simulated wood) that will reduce the price by $160.00. this would put it in the $350.00 range with a couple spare magazines. Still expensive and limited with regard to skirmishability (15 round magazines) but a lot more appealing. Actual furniture down the road could no doubt be added with a little dremel work.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Jan 19, 2013 3:14:32 GMT -5
The M1 Carbine might not be able to lay down the covering fire of a Thompson or BAR but it is a very skermishable weapon. I've first hand watched Tom use the old 8mm Carbine very effectively in combat, and that was the bolt action version. This more accurate version will kick ass in the field! Just shoot when you know you can hit somebody. The automatics will keep their heads down while the riflemen pick them off.
If you carry a sidearm, the KWC Co2 1911 for example, you double the firepower you can put out. The clips for that are a more affordable $29, over the $45 Carbine clips. Then you become a force to reckon with!
The Carbine is not the weapon to go "Rambo" with however because it is, just a rifle. Compared to the K98 depending on manufacturer the Carbine holds more or the same amount of rounds in each clip.
If both sides had rifles I'd rather have a Carbine over the K98.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 19, 2013 14:01:41 GMT -5
Exactly as it should be. Perhaps the day will come when our players are restricted to actual (or near actual) mag capacity and a representative mix of semi auto fire and full auto weapons. I have long been an advocate of 3 rounds to 1 since with airsoft typically several hits in rapid succession is whats required for hyped and moving players to register that they have been hit. If the germans had an authentic mix of bolt action rifles this gun would definitely have an advantage. The earlier comment on players registering hits is not a dig on honor as most ww2 players have been quite good in that respect but rather a factual observation at events. A single hit (especially at long range if it doesnt ping off a helmet or something) usually isnt noticed.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Jan 19, 2013 17:40:37 GMT -5
If the germans had an authentic mix of bolt action rifles this gun would definitely have an advantage. . I've been to events where they have a rule that each side will field the same number of rifles, and if one side doesn't have the same number then some people had to have their SMG's on simi auto. Now IF the allies fielded all rifles then the other side would have to do the same, and I'd rather have the rifle accuracy over a simi-auto SMG. The old M1 Garand was finicky in the field and the old Carbine wasn't correct with it being bolt action. The Co2 M1 Carbine and that new AEG M1 Garand coming out, I believe the authentic mix of weaponry is right around the corner. This is why I don't like hearing it is not a good skirmish weapon, we need to steer more people to buy it so we get the authentic mix. Thompsons have ruled the battlefield for too long, we need more rifles!
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 19, 2013 18:00:26 GMT -5
I think a 15-rnd 400-FPS carbine is a nasty weapon for the German players to face. It seems plenty skirmishable to me. Tactics of course need to be employed by the user to make it's advantages even more dominating. With a weapon like this that does not give away it's shooters location with the familiar AEG motor sound, a tactic that would work would be slow aimed fire. The "snick" of a lone bb usually won't give away your position right off. That's what makes it dangerous. None of the 98K troops in our group would have an advantage in rate of fire against it and now both sides would be able to effectively use sniper tactics. (I realize the carbine in real world use was not a sniper weapon but use it thus in airsoft battles and I feel it would be successful.) For the sake of argument, I'll concede that you could be at a disadvantage against an AEG once both sides see one another, but then so too is the 98K. But both would still have a range advantage. Since we usually don't start off seeing one another, the team who uses their sniper type forces wisely will really frustrate the other side. In WWII games, we can't really effectively replicate the other tools of war - artillery, air power and armor, that made the battles so fluid. So loading up both teams with high cap AEGs leads to WWI type conditions and ruins play. We should seek a balance on the field with AEG's and bolt-actions/carbines to create a more fun tactical situation. I think this latest carbine offering is an exciting development for the Allies.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 19, 2013 22:35:34 GMT -5
Your group "gets it" so sharing my thought to you guys is like preaching to the choir. But collectively those of us who have seen how well ammo restrictions and a realistic mix of weapons types work in supporting an emmersive type event need to share these thoughts with those who may appreciate how much these new offerings are poised to take things to the next level. A reasonably priced but effective SPRING powered KAR 98 is the next critical component.
Its an exciting time for WW2 Airsoft!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 20, 2013 12:17:40 GMT -5
I wish the local group was intune with that but alas I don't run the group and there is a wall of pushback from the "I paid for an AEG and hicaps so I could dominate ohhh yeag 'leet ops tap out bitches" crowd. It's like they simply want to wear German uniforms while reenacting zero dark thirty.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Jan 20, 2013 15:49:36 GMT -5
I wish the local group was intune with that but alas I don't run the group and there is a wall of pushback My suggestion is to try and push for 1 event in the year where authenticity with weapons are enforced, sure you might have smaller number of people but a higher quality of game. Eventually you will draw the right kind of people in to the game.
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Post by HornetWSO on Jan 20, 2013 17:47:51 GMT -5
If the germans had an authentic mix of bolt action rifles this gun would definitely have an advantage. . I've been to events where they have a rule that each side will field the same number of rifles, and if one side doesn't have the same number then some people had to have their SMG's on simi auto. Now IF the allies fielded all rifles then the other side would have to do the same, and I'd rather have the rifle accuracy over a simi-auto SMG. The old M1 Garand was finicky in the field and the old Carbine wasn't correct with it being bolt action. The Co2 M1 Carbine and that new AEG M1 Garand coming out, I believe the authentic mix of weaponry is right around the corner. This is why I don't like hearing it is not a good skirmish weapon, we need to steer more people to buy it so we get the authentic mix. Thompsons have ruled the battlefield for too long, we need more rifles! I agree with your theory. . . but the reality, at least the games I've attended, is that there are few rifles on both sides. MP40's, MP 44's, and Thompsons are still the majority of the weapons. If we could get more players with low capacity weapons that would simulate the niches of the real weapons, then we'd have more authentic scenarios. Perhaps turning the hop up off on the SMG's to keep their effectiveness down to 25 yards is a start, as well as your suggestion to limit semi auto's on both sides. I've purchased the M1 CDX and skirmished with it, great little weapon, when it has bb's in the magazine! But I can tell you, I pulled my .45 out every time I used this, since I was facing 600 round MP44's. And I wish I had my Thompson or Grease gun at those moments. Realistic? Not really, fun? hell yes. We do have a lot to look forward to and hopefully the M1 Carbine will become more prevalent, but I hope so do K98's and Garands. The best way to "steer people" towards low capacity weapons" is by example. Get one, skirmish it, and let others see how awesome it is.
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Post by mash328 on Jan 20, 2013 19:18:52 GMT -5
Can anyone provide the dimensions of the co2 magazine. While i dont have any real m1 carbine pouches. I have a plate carrier and am wondering if the magazines will fit in normal pistol magazine pouches?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 20, 2013 19:19:57 GMT -5
The new weapons offerings will stimulate more interest in "doing it rIght.". I agree with 2 Rangers in promoting what will probably be a smaller event with stricter rules but another thought is to push for restrictions on a specific mission or game phase within the event.
Get people to experience it and appteciate the difference. (greater fluidity of action, less stand off stalemates and more team work required.). Hopefully such exposure will cause more within the group to "see the light".
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Post by HornetWSO on Jan 20, 2013 21:16:32 GMT -5
Can anyone provide the dimensions of the co2 magazine. While i dont have any real m1 carbine pouches. I have a plate carrier and am wondering if the magazines will fit in normal pistol magazine pouches? thickness = 7/8" height= 4 7/8" width= 1 3/4"
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Jan 21, 2013 0:55:43 GMT -5
Yes I agree with steering people to low or mid cap mags. Two of my hi-cap mags have broken over the years, I'm down to one. So I've been buying mid-caps as replacements. I have a King arms 110 mid-cap on the way to test out.
With the Thompson I prefer the 190 clips, they are smaller, so when you hit the dirt you don't have to worry as much about the clip smacking the ground and getting clogged with earth.
I agree.
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Post by heckman328 on Jan 21, 2013 0:57:29 GMT -5
@hornet. Thanks for the dimensions
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Post by <2>nd Rangers M/Sgt. Tom on Jan 21, 2013 1:13:35 GMT -5
I agree, I feel that is will be highly skirmish-able. I have been a Maushin user for many years and I cant wait to see one in person when Cpl.Mills gets his!
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