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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 3, 2012 22:00:31 GMT -5
Well as some of you may know, via earlier post, I have just received a springer M14. I found out it was an AGM M14, really cheap gun (sold on amazon for $23 or so) and I was downhearted. Then I realized that I might be able to turn it into a semi-auto M1 Garand. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think, if I can fit a motor into a new external area, I might be able to make the thing look awesome when it shoots by pushing the bolt back every time I shoot. It's a long shot, especially since the gun itself right now is missing almost every valuable part (Barrel, hop up, sled, and working mag), but I might just be able to pull it off. Wish me luck, and if you have any tips that might help, please post a comment.
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Post by jettalewis on Nov 4, 2012 11:11:17 GMT -5
Pot metal doesn't tend to stand up very well to this sort of treatment. If it works be sure to post some photos
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2012 11:20:29 GMT -5
Well the thing is, the whole thing is plastic except for a few minor parts and that's why I'm replacing most of the the plastic parts with metal. Real wood for the stock too hopefully.
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Post by brownien on Nov 4, 2012 12:25:03 GMT -5
IMO by the time you replace everrything you need to replace, AND add in the aeg gearbox, you might as well have bought a CYMA M14 and converted that to an M1 Garand! With the dificulties in getting positive alignment with the internal parts in such a build, and with the lack of duribility of the plastic springer to begin with, It would not really be worth it to do. Something will always go wrong with it; something will break, or a slight misalignmet will cause an air leak, or constant BB misfeed. If you really want to have an aeg M1 Garand, buy a cheap M14 and convert it, or wait for ICS/G&G to come out with theirs. It s going to be a heck of alot more reliable, and with the amount of effort you would need to put into a springer, to make it look good and work well, you could have gotten an M14 that already works well and just do the cosmetic work. I don't want to put you off from your project, but I also would hate to hear that you wasted your time and effort in something that won't ever work all that well for you.
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2012 12:41:03 GMT -5
Well the thing that really is driving me to build it would be the sled going back and forth every time I shoot it. But yes, I'm already running into a lot of problems. Missing parts, broken parts and the like. I really want an M1 Garand that stick true to the only moving part in it. For me to look at a CYMA M1 Garand conversion and I only hear the BB firing, it seems dull to me.
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Post by brownien on Nov 4, 2012 14:24:36 GMT -5
Well What you could do, Is make the blowback feature, like many have done on their thompsons. This would require a bit of work to be done on the CYMA gearbox, like adding a hole in the rear that leads to the piston. (Just look up Thompson Blowback Modification on Google) This way, instead of a cheaper sound of plastic sliding, you will get the satisfying clank of the metal bolt racking each shot! (I owned a CYMA M14 before converting it to a BAR, and I must say, That gun's bolt is THE most satisfying thing to just simply rack, it sounds SO realistic!) Only other mod to get the bolt to rack would be an attachment point to the bolt itself (just drill a small hole for tying a wire to) and possibly weakening the spring in the gas tube assembly (so the bolt is easier to pull back for the gearbox). But IMO this would be the best route possible, if you want a reliable, robust, simple to operate, to make, and realistic. I honestly feel, that if you end up putting all that work into a basket-case springer M14, you will regret not using an actual AEG M14 as your base rifle.
Best wishes on your project! Can't wait to see some results! ;D
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2012 15:01:17 GMT -5
Well yeah I'm probably going to do that now, as I have no working gun to fire. My BAR-10 trigger box broke and I still haven't gotten an answer from ed, my m16 is truly crap and the part that makes the spring release on the M14 is broken, so yeah, I'll give it a shot. Got some extra pieces if I screw up.
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2012 15:02:34 GMT -5
Oh and could you send me a link to the one most people use? I really need it to be under $150
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Post by brownien on Nov 4, 2012 15:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by ScottCollins on Nov 4, 2012 17:25:41 GMT -5
Should I just sell my Bar-10 or what?
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Post by brownien on Nov 4, 2012 22:26:24 GMT -5
Well if you can't get any replacement parts for your Bar-10, then why not. You most likely won't get much out of a broken gun as far as price goes, unless someone wants it for a conversion.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 5, 2012 3:37:26 GMT -5
The way EBB is done on the thompson cannot be used the same way in an M14. There is no space behind the gearbox for a rod to pull the bolt back. Besides, EBB, IMHO, is so unrealistic that i wouldn't bother with it. And that plastic springer m14 is not worth the trouble.
Re: your broken trigger box, you can search the web for replacement parts. Or buy a new aftermarket trigger system like the Zero-trigger or M-Trigger.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 25, 2012 12:28:56 GMT -5
I don't think what your talking about is possible. If it is you'd need to be really skilled to get it done. In the end you'd spend a lot of time and money. Go buy an electric M14 for $150 and convert that to blowback.
Honestly blowback is just another thing to break. You'll quickly learn in the field that the only thing that actually matters is a weapon that fires straight and hard.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2012 17:26:52 GMT -5
I concur completely with the ever wise young sgt although I think converting the M14 aeg to blowback is far far more challenging than other AEGs as the charging handle and operating rod are quite involved as compared to say an m16, ak or thompson. A conversion to blow back even if successful would be frought with jams and breakdowns.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 26, 2012 10:46:10 GMT -5
Its still a better shot then what he is thinking about now, thats not saying much though is it ;D. Honestly this reminds me of something I would have posted four years back, not to be demeaning.
As far as the BAR-10 goes, they are really simple rifles. I am sure a broken trigger box would be a quick fix. Probably just needs a new sear.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Nov 26, 2012 11:49:10 GMT -5
I have owned 2 AMG Spring M14's, I can tell you right off the bat that this WILL NOT work. It would require too many custom made items that would cost far more than an AEG M14. Plus in the case it was created, plastic components would not last long at all. Heck, I am having a hard time just putting CYMA Thompson internals into an old Springer M1928...
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Nov 27, 2012 10:39:02 GMT -5
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 27, 2012 10:49:28 GMT -5
Yea I've seen that vid. I doubt the bolt cover would hold up long considering how thin and cheap the metal used for it is.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Nov 27, 2012 13:19:42 GMT -5
I actually figured that, far easier, cheaper, and less time consuming the converting the AGM springer.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 27, 2012 15:55:50 GMT -5
True, if your going to do it that is a better way. Honestly if you want blow-back get a WE M14 though.
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