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Post by brownien on Jan 6, 2014 22:19:31 GMT -5
Mostly, because HPA never really becomes a liquid in its compressed state, there isn't the cool down effect like propane or CO2
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 6, 2014 23:53:57 GMT -5
Yep. No significant cool down w. HPA. I can, and have, fired over 1000 rounds on full auto on my P* M240 Bravo with zero stoppages using HPA. Also, in my experience with Classic (bullet valve), Daytona gun (DG) and P* guns, HPA is the only thing I use (P* guns can ONLY be used w. HPA unless you want to short the FCU circuits). Plus HPA I'd vastly easier on regulator seals and seals/o-rings generally. It can be difficult to obtain for a lot of folks compared to C02 though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 7, 2014 0:00:04 GMT -5
So this Springfield was first discussed in Nov of 2012! and shown as available for pre-sale. Thus far it appears none of us have gotten their hands on one. What is the scoop on this gun anyone? I'd love to discover that is a viable quality offering and good shooter. Its great to hear the kar98 was a pleasant surprise but groping around for ejected shells takes it off my consideration list.
Has anyone sen a first hand review on the springfield by a consumer? Are they in fact available for sale.
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Post by brownien on Jan 7, 2014 17:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 7, 2014 22:51:26 GMT -5
Minimum order of 12 is definitely a wholesaler. Nothing explaning mag capacity, expected FPS. Load complexity etc. Nice to see something clearly in the works but way too vague for me at this point.
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 8, 2014 1:32:36 GMT -5
I've a source who has been simply superb over the past year in obtaining hard-to-find items and, on two occassions, guns that had yet to be released to the US pipeline (he is has a wholesaler license and contacts in the Chinese airsoft industry). Obviously I cannot promise anything, but I certainly could shoot him a request re the Springfield.
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 8, 2014 1:40:15 GMT -5
Just sent him a email - I'll let y'all know what he says.
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Post by brownien on Jan 8, 2014 13:18:25 GMT -5
Thanks gunner! If I can obtain one of those m1903's, I'll make sure to do a review of it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2014 17:32:35 GMT -5
Knowing Gunner and his collection and armory. If he can get one he'll probably beat you to it! I definitely will buy one if it proves to be skirmishable.
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 8, 2014 21:38:55 GMT -5
Thx, 2Btn - unfortunately, no joy. My man indicated that they still are not available. Period. He also feels that the company in question (wholesaler) actually is likely still at the pre-order stage. NONE of the major Chinese airsoft companies have actually received/have their hands on the Springfield at this point in time, save perhaps a handful who may have received a courtesy copy if one (and he is uncertain of even that).
Of course, the exact disposition is not precise. However, my guy felt that it still may be sometime yet before the gun will actually hit the market. Even heard a rumor that this rifle is a joint venture and that there are some behind the scenes squabbling that may be contributing to the delay. The Chinese airsoft industry is pretty wacky and there are a LOT of players that ultimately can be involved (including local government - shocking as that may seem to many of us;)
Bottom line. We wait.
Regards all.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 10, 2014 19:07:35 GMT -5
Indeed. officially although the mecca of most things airsoft comes from mainland China in fact, technically airsoft is illegal. Hence the whole production, distribution, sales process is frought with graft, intrigue, collusion, payoffs etc. All quite fascinating. Company owner who don't keep the right folks happy find their companies raided and find themselves in jail. In a somewhat related note there is once again a strong political push to ban airsoft in California. given that it is the primary point of distribution into the US should it succeeed Airsoft as we know it in the US would change dramatically if not cease altogether.
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 11, 2014 2:43:03 GMT -5
Things have not been helped in CA by the fatal shooting two weeks ago of a teenager who felt compelled to wield an airsoft AK on a police officer in the next county over from where I reside. The officer, fearful of what he initially took to be a real gun being pointed at him opened fire and shot the kid dead with two rounds from his service pistol. It was early evening and the AK apparently had it's orange safety muzzle cap removed by the boy.
All it takes is one kid, playing around with a realistic looking LCT or Cybergun, a nervous cop (and who can really blame him nowadays - the city in question has a serious gang problem) and the wrong conditions and you have all that is needed to further support the anti-gun activists (this is California, remember - home of the oh-so-PC folks that abound across the state) and you have another nail in the fast closing coffin of airsoft.
I truly am saddened (honestly) that a young man felt it wise to run about a city street during the evening hours a week after Christmas, with a airsoft replica, and thought it, some how, some way, wise to point the damn thing in the direction of a police officer. But that is about all it takes to lose a life and the rest of us to lose our rights to own, purchase or sell these guns. I can hear the arguments being prepared right now by local and state politicians, law enforement agencies and the like against sale and ownership of any but the most docile of air guns - the oratory of 'how many of our kids have to die and lives be ruined' that will surely ensue, pushing, ever pushing for the demise of airsoft as we know it.
But as long as irresponsible kids keep behaving like the one did before the officer opened fire - and this kind of stuff happens way to much, unfortunately -I feel the fate of airsoft is bleak and fast approaching it's end. As we know it anyway.
Sucks really. But I feel it's almost become inevitable at this point. Hope I am real wrong about this. I fear however that I am not.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Jan 11, 2014 12:39:47 GMT -5
If you're out to limit people's rights to firearms it follows that you're also going to attack the right to own facsimile firearms. The shooting of the kid by the cop is tragic but painting the tip orange probably would not have saved him. What's to stop criminals from painting the tips of their real guns orange in an effort to cause law enforcement to hesitate? It could happen. Assuming the victim in this was normal and wasn't committing "suicide by cop" then he failed to sensibly use his airsoft gun. Save the use of these for airsoft fields or private land and notify Police Departments of events so they know when groups of gun-toting hobbyists are out there shooting at each other.
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Post by gunner79 on Jan 11, 2014 14:10:58 GMT -5
The 'orange tip' information is inconsequential, at the end of this kid's particular day. The cop saw whatever he saw and shot first. What I found interesting was the fact that it was reported and, thus reported, no doubt will feed/lend itself to any argument that opines that 'airsoft guns are dangerous regardless of token safety measures'.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2014 17:45:08 GMT -5
While it varies from state to state and even juristiction and munincipalities. In most locations an orange tip on a replica is NOT required. The tip is required to import the replica into the US and must be displayed and present to be retailed. It is also required to be listed and sold on ebay. Removal by the ultimate buyer is NOT illegal in most places. As mentioned earlier the presence or absence of an orange tip in no way effects the response of by standers or police seeing what either way looks like a threatening weapon. An orange tip is inconsequential.
We all as a hobby have to realize the threatening and alarming appearance of these replicas and treat them just like real fire arms when not in use on an authorized venue. As tragic as the death is, in this case I feel more sorry for the officer then the kid. Certainly it is a reminder of how serious thoughtless actions can be. Dumb can be deadly.
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Post by heckman328 on Jan 11, 2014 20:35:59 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2014 22:41:24 GMT -5
Very nice. Given the supposed release on the Garand i suspect this late january release will in fact be May-June maybe. Good news in any event. Incredible that we may have a couple choices for a springfield and a couple choices for an AEG Garand. WOW!
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Post by newcomer on Jan 12, 2014 15:32:48 GMT -5
a Guadalcanal impression is very tempting now; the springfield always had a nice aesthetic to it IMO.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 12, 2014 18:34:10 GMT -5
I have always really liked the Springfield and am thrilled to finally see some commercial offerings coming out. I will be even more thrilled when they are in fact available for actual sale and reports are in saying the quality is there the functionality is there and they are built to last.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jan 12, 2014 18:59:44 GMT -5
Several times the word 'steel' shows up in the description, I take that's a good sign .
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