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Post by germanshepard on Nov 13, 2012 21:08:42 GMT -5
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could give me some good suggestions for a modern gun or a gun that is already sold today that i could convert into an M1 Carbine.
It doesnt have to be a perfect match but gearbox, barrel and magazine wise it would be nice.
Thanks
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Post by brownien on Nov 13, 2012 22:31:01 GMT -5
I was originally thinking of using a Scorpion gearbox and adding a much longer tightbore barrel and port the cylinder to compensate for the added length. Not sure how well the gearbox would fit, and I would most likely have had a mock receiver CNC'd but I'm sure a resin mold could be set up for that. It would be a VERY ambitious project to undertake, as no one else has tried making an aeg m1 carbine that is 1:1 scale. I feel more confident after attempting my M1918a2 build, so I would feel comfortable attempting it, but if you have never done any conversions of this grandeur, don't try it. You will most likely end up frustrated. But if you do feel brave enough to try it, more power to ya! I would gladly give you a hand if you made up a thread for this build and update it with text and photo progress. As long as we on the forum can see what you are doing on your project, we can help you, so be as discriptive as possible! Maybe someone else can use the thread to build another! Good luck to you! <S>
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 14, 2012 5:36:54 GMT -5
Easiest to use would be the KJW ruger 10/22 GBB. In fact, RA-Tech already has a conversion kit. Also, the reviews of the Marushin CO2 carbine have been good. After firing one myself, i'd say don't waste your time and just save up for the marushin. There's a reason that there are almost no 1:1 scale AEG carbines. There is only 1 successful build that i know of (from a Japanese site). The carbine receiver is just too tiny. About the scorpion internals, AEPs just shoot too weak to compete in the airsoft arena as a main battle rifle.
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 14, 2012 11:50:43 GMT -5
Well, Im a very good wood worker and i already have a stock ready, im actually setting up a youtube channel for stuff like this. Ive already built an M1919a4 with different parts (specifically M14 gearbox, P90 magazine and Hopup and M14 barrel) all the external metal work was done myself. Ill send you a link to the channel brownien in a PM Ill tell you more there too, and plus im up to the challenge.
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Post by HornetWSO on Nov 14, 2012 12:28:40 GMT -5
Well, Im a very good wood worker and i already have a stock ready, im actually setting up a youtube channel for stuff like this. Ive already built an M1919a4 with different parts (specifically M14 gearbox, P90 magazine and Hopup and M14 barrel) all the external metal work was done myself. Ill send you a link to the channel brownien in a PM Ill tell you more there too, and plus im up to the challenge. Can you post the link to the Youtube Channel, I know there are a lot of folks on this board that would love to view your progress.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 14, 2012 20:43:47 GMT -5
As mentioned above the carbine is tiny, tiny, tiny so be prepared for great frustration or a severely compromised level of infidelity with regard to dimensions. The scorpion AEP was also something i considered for an airborne variant. Even with upgrades the performance would make it less capable than most gbb pistols. with regard to the performance relative to a main battle rifle perhaps this is appropriate. ( I still hope WW2 airsoft eventually reaches a level of authenticity where weapons firing pistol ammunition have less range and power than those firing rifle ammunition.)
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 14, 2012 22:38:21 GMT -5
Yeah I get what your saying. And ill post the YouTube account up here soon. I need to upload a video of what ive got and all that. But I was also just thinking when you brought up a GBB pistol, why not take a CO2 pistols assembly and apply it into an M1 carbine? I mean its got power and distance, plus its small and pretty easy to work with. What's your guys take?
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 15, 2012 11:45:15 GMT -5
Ok, so ive finally come up with my full plan for waht im going to do with the M1 carbine conversion. Im going to make my own M1A1 Carbine stock and take a CO2 pistols entire internal set up and place that into the stock. The barrel will be switched out with an M14 that i will cut down and the exterior barrel will be the same. The gun will be fed with the same magazines that the CO2 pistols use. and it will be in the handle. The CO2 canister will be right behind it (literally the same set up thats in the CO2 pistols grip) The bolt will be removable so you can get easy access to the internals. I know the original plan was to make it just a regular M1 carbine with a full stock, and im still working on how i will do that. But that is my full plan. The youtube channel i will use to post all my updates on this project is TheInfantryGarage Heres the link: www.youtube.com/user/TheInfantryGarage?feature=mhee I plan on posting videos every week. I hope i get much support on this and let all your friends know about me. Thanks.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 15, 2012 14:52:41 GMT -5
Interesting. Hope it works out.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 15, 2012 22:10:51 GMT -5
Despite my discouraging tone, I do hope you'll be successful. I just wish you'd try out your ideas first and then show us. I usually post a project build once i'm well in the middle of it or even after i finish. Again, i don't mean any insult just saying that a LOT of threads have started with "i'm going to build this...." and then end up just leaving everyone hanging. I wish people would build stuff first then show us rather than starting new threads with just words. Anyway, I wish you luck. We'll be around to help if needed. So, about using a CO2 pistol as a base: Will this be GBB or NBB?
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 15, 2012 23:31:46 GMT -5
NBB. The GBB ones have different mags for them that I wouldn't be able to use.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 16, 2012 5:17:34 GMT -5
NBB would be the way to go. I was toying around with using the KJW MKI (ruger pistol/sniper) some time ago. But you might be better off just buying the new KJW ruger 10/22 gbb. It's not expensive and i'm sure you could make a para stock to fit it.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 16, 2012 13:18:33 GMT -5
Something I started awhile ago just to see how it would work was trying to make a defunct SIG552 into an M1A1 paratrooper carbine. My thinking was to strip it down to the bare essentials, then make a wooden stock that would slip over it, accepting that it was going to be over size. I got the stock partially made and then realized how oversize it would be. I'd look like a Hobbit paratrooper carrying it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 16, 2012 20:16:53 GMT -5
And therein lies the challenge. The carbine is really really small and people dont realize how much that limits your options. There have been at least five or six ambitious efforts on this forum from otherwise capable people taking on this effort and sadly none have succeeded with anything that even remotely looked acceptable. I agree with Jimmquiori about his freelings that folks should get well into a project and begin to at least have a thread of success before posting a " I'm going to build...". If you go back far enough in the posts on this site you'll probably see about 100 or more of this type of post. Best intentions...little chance of fruitful results. it's possible that by announcing an effort it drives your enthusiasm and if that's the motivation for the announcement, knock yourself out. Im thrilled to see folks trying stuff but do want to temper their goals with a little splash of cold reality.
Good lick with the effort and we're all anxious forinspiration in the form of tangible results. With the carbines the ones that got fairly far along got all the way up to...well....getting them to actually work. it is my sincere hope that I will be eating my words as I behold your amazing results!
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Post by brownien on Nov 19, 2012 12:21:57 GMT -5
I looked into it, and there are upgrades to the Scorpion aep gearbox that can get it shooting around the low 300fps range. Still not as great as a stock CYMA M14/M1 conversion, but it would have decent enough range to hold its own against most of the other allied and axis airsoft guns out there, especially if its a secondary weapon for a crrew served weapon, like a mortar or assistant M1919 gunner. I won't say it but I think you all know what I'm getting at with all my suggestions.
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 20, 2012 11:37:59 GMT -5
Well ive already got the stock started. I can put up pictures if you'd like?
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Post by brownien on Nov 20, 2012 15:14:52 GMT -5
Absolutely! We would all love to see your progress!
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 20, 2012 22:07:53 GMT -5
How do i get pictures up?
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Post by brownien on Nov 20, 2012 23:20:42 GMT -5
I post photos as specific links to my photobucket account. Not sure how else to do it so they show up in the forums. Not too hard to upload to photobucket if you have them saved to your computer.
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Post by germanshepard on Nov 21, 2012 19:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by nile on Dec 12, 2012 17:14:55 GMT -5
Any more progress?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 14, 2012 17:26:55 GMT -5
A clear case of ambition probably not linking up with reality. (My insulting dig to motivate him to keep on going with the effort.) Id love to see this progress.
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Post by germanshepard on Dec 19, 2012 11:42:58 GMT -5
Hey sorry for the late reply, ive been working on it, Barrel is all set up with inner and outer barrel. Im curently fitting the gas system but its a slow process. I havent been on here in a while so thats why i havent said much. Im also making the folding stock too. Ill try to have pictures up soon.
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Post by germanshepard on Jan 9, 2013 11:52:24 GMT -5
Finally got all the parts around, slowly starting the build process. i need to add and take out a lot inside the stock to make everything fit nice and snug.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 9, 2013 14:27:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. As always, pictures would be nice. Given the slow pace these projects usually require you can see why its not a bad idea to wait until you're well into a project before announcing the project. What one can imagine and what one can find the time, talents or resources to do are very different things.
Keep at it! Keep us informed as you plod along.
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Post by germanshepard on Jan 10, 2013 22:16:04 GMT -5
No prob, and thanks, yeah i want to take my time with this though and take it slow so i dont mess anything up. Ill try to post some pictures soon. Im just wondering how im gonna make the bolt assembly?
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Post by savoy6 on Jan 16, 2013 7:52:27 GMT -5
anyone seen this yet?.....plastic stocked Marushin M1 carbine co2...around $250.....
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 16, 2013 14:26:39 GMT -5
Yes and may be able to swing getting one and a Garand have to save carefully though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 16, 2013 14:38:53 GMT -5
The challenge of course with the CO2 GBB and all GBB really is the cost of the magazines. With 15 ready rounds, even in a "carbine, rear eschelon, emergency weapon role". I figure you still need 3 spare magazines as a minimum and that makes even this $250.00 variant a $400.00 plus gun. With that said and all the positive comments that own the CO2 carbine variant its on my wish list.
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Post by germanshepard on Feb 7, 2013 23:24:29 GMT -5
Yeah and not only that but its also what people have seen in the past when it comes to GBB rifles. I mean even though its CO2 it could end up the same as the Green Gas GBB M1 Garand. And they say Green Gas is supposed to be better than CO2
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