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Post by brownien on Jan 9, 2013 16:26:39 GMT -5
I just aquired a ghillie suit made from M65 woodland jacket and pants from a friend. He covered the pants with netting and tied burlap strips into it. The jacket has the burlap strips simply glued onto it and has the same effect as the netting, but is the lazy way out. I was wondering if this would be a good uniform to wear for a british sniper, as the M65 woodland jacket seems to be a good substitute for the Denison Smock (with all that burlap on it of course!). I was planning to use a M1917 brodie covered in more burlap to finish it off.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jan 13, 2013 21:21:59 GMT -5
no for the woodland. looks nothing like the denison. i understand danisons are expensive, but woodland would just look really cheesy
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Post by brownien on Jan 13, 2013 23:00:26 GMT -5
I plan on using the m65's overtop of the regular battledress uniform. With the density of the bulap strips together, the m65's are barely visible, if not at all. I guess I was more curious about if I should use the burlap strips method or if I should go with a 'shapeless' ghillie suit.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jan 15, 2013 18:40:29 GMT -5
still, there are far better cheap alternatives for a denison than woodland. check otu trident's "World camoflage" section, they have some neat stuff that wont break the bank.
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Post by brownien on Jan 15, 2013 23:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jan 16, 2013 8:52:57 GMT -5
web gear would probably be under the ghillie. For the woodland, its your choice, but the woodland just is plain FARB, its so overused, and the colors are nothing like Denison.
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Post by gadge on Jan 16, 2013 15:53:25 GMT -5
i'd avoid it like the plague. The men in your first pic are canadians, its a *very* rare look too. Most british snipers wore the windproof suit and cammed the helmet or head only. The second pic as i'm sure you're aware is home guard. Their suits were made out of sewn together sandbags. Normally toy soldiers forums are awful but this thread here is very good and should give you an idea of what British snipers did. the guy making these models spoke to Harry Furness who was a sniper in the war. www.onesixthwarriors.com/forum/sixth-scale-action-figure-news-reviews-discussion/80746-british-sniper-1944-45-a.htmlThe usual doctrine as said was just to wear the camouflage suit and use the issue face veil to break up head and shoulders. Suit looks like this: Veil worn like this: Personally i think a ghillie using modern fabrics based on a post war camo jacket is not going to look anything like WWII
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Post by gadge on Jan 16, 2013 15:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by CactusDivision on Jan 17, 2013 17:19:46 GMT -5
does anyone know anything about us snipers using army camo hbt uniforms regularly?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 17, 2013 21:27:13 GMT -5
I have to pipe in and say the gillie suit for WW2 is just so rare and uncommon as to be an approach best not pursued. Naturally its ultimately your call and the sponsor of the events you plan to use it at but id avoid going that route. As for US they actually had a HBT camo smock for snipers specifically but it saw very little if any use to my knowledge.
Sniper for the US was something of a misnomer as more commonly each squad was assigned a "Marksman" armed with a Springfield. The 1903 was only marginally more accurate than the Garand and both were set up to fire the same ammo. The Springfield was better suited in practice to fire the assorted rifle grenades than the garand was so in reality the "marksman" in the squad tended to be more of a grenadier. With the rifle grenade the soldier could fire the grenade and immediately use his rifle should rounds be needed. For the garand after firing the grenade the rifleman had to reload before using his rifle.
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Post by gadge on Jan 23, 2013 3:32:26 GMT -5
no for the woodland. looks nothing like the denison. i understand danisons are expensive, but woodland would just look really cheesy denisons used to be expensive. Real ones go for a fortune and my first repro (King and country make, considered the best repro there is) cost about gbp 300 Now 'rangercamp' do one thats near identical for gbp 100 Avoid replicators denisons, sure they are half the price of a rangercamp one but the dyes run in the wash and you end up with a bright yellow smock quite quickly.
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Post by brownien on Jan 23, 2013 13:44:14 GMT -5
I was more or less curious about the use of the ghillie suit for the UK in ww2, because I picked mine up cheap and thought it might go. I already have an Ike jacket and dark brown pants that I think work well as a British BDU. I don't have any webgear yet, except for a canteen, and I have a M1917 Brodie in Air Raid Warden colors (Massachusetts to be spacific), that I covered in burlap. I was hoping that by covering up in a ghillie suit, I could make up for the lack of webgear.
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Post by gadge on Jan 25, 2013 11:17:09 GMT -5
TBh i think its just going to look really modern and not at all typical of WWII
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 25, 2013 13:27:57 GMT -5
The other challenge which has nothing to do with authenticity is the fact that for airsoft a gillie suit might as well be sappie plates as the wearer is quite unable to feel hits to the body. I think we are in universal agreement that a gillie suit really is best not worn at a ww2 event. I for one would be delighted to see them left at home at any event. Given the close ranges of airsoft, sight selection and disciplined movement have greater effect on your ability to remain unseen than what you,re wearing.
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Post by brownien on Jan 25, 2013 15:24:55 GMT -5
Agreed. I have never played a game where they were ever a real plus in use. That being said, would the Brodie, Ike jacket and Brown Pants be a good British uniform substitute?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 25, 2013 17:43:54 GMT -5
In my opinion a far better approach to take. At jump to destiny we had a contingent of brits. About 12 in all and some took that approach and looked quite good. Netting and garnish on the helmets, an appropriate patch or two, web gear and sufficient filth on the uniforms and faces and i was convinced.
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Post by gadge on Jan 25, 2013 19:11:49 GMT -5
ike jacket and brown trousers would look fine at the ranges you play at. What Price Glory currenlty do brown 'denim' battle dress uniforms at a very good price. These are the same cut as serge battledress but probably better for skirmishing in the summer months and especially if you live in a hot state. Denims were almost never worn in combat except in Italy but they will look more like proper BD than anything else at a distance. The brodie should be fine, just put a net on it and some hessian scrim... that said i know WW1 re-enactors who would cry at a 1917 original being used to gaming! Good luck with it and if you want any advice on brit uniforms just pm me or ask here. i've been running brit re-enactment groups in the UK for about 7 years and have a lot of reference material if you need advice.
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